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Richard Davey
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Posted: 21st Apr 2004 03:26
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Well it had to happen - given the interview I conducted with Ravey in the latest newsletter it was only a matter of time before it hit the Blitz boards (infact, it was only a matter of an hour from release!).

http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=32924

You can spot the more mature Blitz forum people a mile off - people like Sybixsus, Tom and GfK are a credit to their community. Then you've got the childlike antics of sswift - but hey, all par for the course.

Loved this comment though: "I call a bumpmapped cube rotating at 20fps slow "

I call it bad coding. 650 fps here and no complaints. C'est la vie!

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Sounds like someone's getting a bit caried away...
Checking out link right now...
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Posted: 21st Apr 2004 03:46 Edited at: 21st Apr 2004 03:55
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Quote: "As for instability, I made a screensaver in the original DB and a webmaster actually wrote to me after I submitted it to tell me how crap it was, because it crashed his PC, and ran slowly on another. And apparently on some PC's the background would flash black and white because I couldn't count of DB to run the same on all 3D cards and I only cleared one buffer with black, which was enough for my card, but not for others. "


LOL. Yeah, I'd tell him it was crap to!



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On a more serious note, I don't think there should be any reason for DB vs. BB. They've each got there trade-offs and it just so happens I picked DB. Could've gone either way, so no reason to insult one language over another.

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heheh That board is funny.. though I see that some of them are mature there are those there that seemed to make a random number in their head and type it .


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Posted: 21st Apr 2004 05:23
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for anyone to hold animosity for that long has serious issues.
You can easily tell that comments made by some are very ignorant and show a great lack of knowledge to the new product.

sswift was always too pedantic for his own good and had a chip on his shoulder as if his poo didnt stink. theres always a reason people act like that and its mostly due to some other area in their lives that lack something.

good luck ravey, congratulations are in order me thinks.
nice newsletter rich.

when is blitzmax coming out? when is it ready for mac platforms? no one in their community can seem to tell me whenever i ask them, even if its carbonised or game sprocketed.

I have some pity for fools but i suffer them even less regulary lately.


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Posted: 21st Apr 2004 05:26
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athough the blitzer is wrong in his bump mapping comment; quite frankly speed is the least of that functions worries.
unfortunately TGC seem to be trying to keep technologically ahead whilst forgetting that the language's core need some serious work or that alot of the current functions still don't perform how they should NOR do they perform on all hardware.

This is probably my biggest gripe, is that if you want to do almost any graphically decent you need current Shader Technology.
Geforce3/Radeon8500 or better for anything remotely half decent.

And the most amusing thing of it all is that these cards are Shader capable and can achieve these effects much bloody faster and better quality using a Pixel or Vertex Shader!
which makes them basically useless...

I know that the TGC doesn't exactly have a team of 20 programmers to work on every problem; but i've said it before and i'll continue to say it.

The CORE language needs improving, with the engine sdk to expose the pipeline. That way TGC can consentrate on making a far more stable and SELF-expandable language leaving the extra functionality upto the community, which if you look around they're already bloody doing anyways because they don't feel like waiting for the next promised update or service pack.

If TGC need to keep the revenue comming in, then i'm sure they can take a number of these user plugins; buy them off the user and include them as part of the language itself; giving you a Service Pack. Just how everything is going on seems a little crazy, atleast to me.

That said these Blitzers are being just plain stupid. Ravey (wasn't he called something-Mushroom?) hasn't said he is abandoning any community. For as long as I remember he has been within both bloody communities; and i doubt he is going to ever change that.


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that was much more tame than i expected. anyone remember 'antonyDB' I think he dropped the DB when he moved to blitz. They make some valid points, but they mostly just dont know what they are talking about.

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funny. I now respect sswift a lot less than I did before. I always used to love his demos, especially the landscape ones. He had sweet normalizing function for matrices. Somehow it gave much better results than the simple version that was used in many of the DBC demos.


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Posted: 21st Apr 2004 10:52
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*laff*


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Bah, I got flamed here for saying I tried Blitz and didn't like it - there is a great deal of crossover in the community already, there are only two types of DB/BB flame threads:

1) New user - which to buy?
Try both.

2) My shwartz is bigger than your shwartz!
Go to Blitz please, I dont want to read your ramblings here because I use these forums myself.

We all use different modelling packages and we all use different art packages and we all write different games. There is a market for both systems (as they are both still in business) so live with it.

We used to take pride in these forums and this community as being somewhat above the other because we where somewhat more mature in our approach to disputes between DB/BB. That has all changed. TGC in particular are swamped with new users in recent times. So by being the winner yesterday, we're loosing today.

Point of fact, look who started a DB/BB thread ? Rich - please see standard answer no. 2 above.

BTW Rich: Bump Mapping examples are moot, 20fps/650fps who cares - the userbase for freeware & shareware games is not heavily endowed with the latest graphics cards unfortunately, therefor there is little use in systems and features that only work on those cards. Sorry.

I for one continue to ignore DBP's support for shaders until such a time as the majority of people playing my games have the support for the technology, which I guess will be around 2-4 years from now given average PC lifespan and the fact that cards are still being sold today without that support.

Give me the ability to write games with regular bump mapping AND shader rendered bump maps and i'll say "YES THANK YOU, FINALY!" then i'll run out and buy a graphics card that supports shader 2.0 so I can make use of it and write games for both types of graphics card.

Whilst there are users who would get no bump mapping at all with the current system there is then little point in implementing the feature in my games as the workaround is to remodel and retexture... Too much work for a freeware/shareware game.

So keep your my shwartz is bigger than your shwartz argument please, I actually don't care for it.


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Posted: 21st Apr 2004 12:01 Edited at: 21st Apr 2004 12:24
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Crabby flakes for breakfast this morning Andy?


Hey, anyone else think Ravey looks a bit like the Barry Pepper from Saving Private Ryan? (more than that Spike from Buffy at least!)






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What a moron.
Quote: "I used to use DB, and DB Pro does not look much imrpvoed aside from supporting more advanced graphics features."


should read:
Quote: "I used to use DB, So anything that I say about DBPro should be assumed to be true - after all, they shared the same name."


As for

Quote: "The new one is compiled I guess, but it might be some kind of weird compiled/intepreted mix."


WTF? Why do you assume that it's a partially interpreted language? I'll tell you why, because DBP must be crap.

Quote: "Anyhow I don't trust the DB guys to have gone from not knowing any ASM to making a highly optimzied compiler just like that."


Of course, people are unable to learn new stuff (like we see here) or recruit staff, so the "compiled code" feature claim of DBP must be full of sh*t.

He may be a good programmer, but he's still a dick. I'm not a DBP fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. I'm going off it quickly and U6 had better come with a freakin bunch of roses to keep me happy. I just can't stand this sort of blind dedication....

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lol. the hairstyle coupled with the pale skin might remind me a bit of spike. unfortunately. oh, and it's "from Angel" now, I think he just got promoted to being a regular. for the last 5 eps, anyway.. gah!


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Ok, so there are some childish people on the Blitz forums, but is there really any difference here? Each group has its own fanboys.

I say that we just ignore it all, and show the immature ones on either side how little we care about their opinion.

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Yeah ruthless IanM ban that Richard Davey for making a DB/Blitz flame thread.

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I didn't make a "flame" thread.. I made a "look at this" thread - the fact it degenerated isn't actually my fault

Besides, I find it all rather amusing. If the subject makes you uptight, you need to be on a stress management programme or something.

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Quote: "Ok, so there are some childish people on the Blitz forums"


Part of the reason I stopped using the Blitz Forums (and eventually Blitz all together) was the 20 yr olds acting like 12 year olds who just had about 15 pixie sticks... and not the small ones either... the large ass ones.

Funny that some people [Cough]"sswift"[/cough] can't "Broden there Horizons" and actually take a look at some products so it looks less of pulling sh*t outta there ass.

Quote: "you need to be on a stress management programme"


I have my own very well organized Stress Managment Program

< 1 1/2 hours Halo
< 1 hour Counter-Strike 1.6 (screw condition zero)
< 1 1/2 more hours Halo (but usually online this time)
< 2 Hours Unreal Tournament 2003 or 2004

Nothin like getting all the Stress out on people in the online realms of FPS... now is there?

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lol depends sometimes playing cs stresses me out even more :-P

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go halo! (can't wait for "halo 2"...this december...bloody procrastinaters )..........i don't know about you but i don't have 6 hours to go through your "stress relief program"


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Just what were Blitz fanatics doing reading the TGC newsleter anyway?

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so why r we at war with blitz anyway?

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Quote: "lol. the hairstyle coupled with the pale skin might remind me a bit of spike."


Hey who you calling pale looking
You should see me without the sun tan!

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Well, yeah.. you should see me, the guy who never goes out. (and when I do, I'm lucky to survive the harsh conditions out there. Sun burns my skin and blinds my eyes, even at wintertime. And then there's the whole allergy-thingy and so on.. )

actually you can blame whoever took that pic for using flash. Never pretty results.

You should be happy, though... you've been compared to Spike, every teengirlie's dreamboy (well, perhaps not everyones). And oh boy I hate him. (not for that, of course. )


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what's the use of that thread? but also what's the use of this thread? They both act as an activation mechanizem for people to say stupid things



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Quote: "you but i don't have 6 hours to go through your "stress relief program"


from 9 pm till 3 am, the magic hour of gamers..

Quote: "lol. the hairstyle coupled with the pale skin might remind me a bit of spike"


Yeah my votes on Spike... although is your personality of spike..

Excessive drunk?
very violent?
tendancys to drink blood?



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Quote: "Just what were Blitz fanatics doing reading the TGC newsleter anyway?"


I read the blitz newsletter. I'm just a die hard indi gamer. I even read gamedev and garage games newsletters.

That being said, I still only use DBP.



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Quote: "Excessive drunk?
very violent?
tendancys to drink blood?
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seems like you forgot one.
- tendency to make bloody stupid jokes.


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Ooops... sorry Rich. I can't help but feel partly responsible for this thread's descent into flamedom.



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* Excessive drunk? - It has been known
* very violent? - Only whilst playing UT2004
* tendancys to drink blood? - No comment
* tendency to make bloody stupid jokes - Always

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Quote: "Excessive drunk? - It has been known "

Convention...


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I have nothing against Blitz. Nothing at all. I know nothing about Blitz too. I only found out about it from people bitching about it occasionally on these forums. I can't see why we can't get along, probably cos there is always someone who will bitch about speed or something.

I do have to say that our forums look better. Anyone else have trouble figuring out which part is their message and which part is the sig?

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Quote: "I do have to say that our forums look better. Anyone else have trouble figuring out which part is their message and which part is the sig?"


That only proves who's the better PHP coder.

I can't view the thread. I even get a "The page cannot be displayed" error when I go to their homepage. Heh, even my PC hates Blitz stuff

edit: IE froze when I searched "Blitzbasic" in Google. LOL!


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Quote: "That only proves who's the better PHP coder"


Yeah, i knew that. Good ol Rich. Nothing beats Rich.

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I used to use the Amiga version of Blitz Basic (before I woke up and got an Acorn A3010 - very fine machine). The Amiga version was awful, and was the main reason I didn't get it for the PC.

The review I did of BB is still around on the internet... http://uk.aminet.net/pub/aminet/docs/rview/BlitzBASIC2.txt
The remarks I got after doing that was... interesting...


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The way I see it, Blitzers have a much bigger problem with us than we do with them - they often troll here, and the very mention of DB incites all kind of nonsense on their forums. It seems to me that they love having a go at DB, yet rarely complain about Blitz openly despite it's many foibles. I think the big problem is that so many DB users migrated to blitz, and because of that a lot of them think they are justified in having an opinion, no matter how redundant or petty it is now.

This is based on my personal experiences with blitzers, I'm not talking about the language or anyone behind it or Blitzcoder (their free forum).


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I agree with Van. The community around here seems more mature on the matter.

Not that I've always been so myself .

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I agree with Van too - often a mention of Blitz vs DB here could incite a couple of silly remarks and a few "grow up" posts.

Same over there? Unlikely.

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Quote: "Sun burns my skin and blinds my eyes, even at wintertime"


Reality check, you live in Finland!

Anyway,
Quote: "I didn't make a "flame" thread.. I made a "look at this" thread"


...

Quote: "Then you've got the childlike antics of sswift"

Quote: "I call it bad coding"


You of all people should know that simply mentioning Blitz is a recipe for disaster even around here on our so called "mature" user base. Sure a few peeps will post mature comments in such a topic, but we've also got the anal retards.

There is no "certification of mature behaviour" required to purchase DB or use the forums.

Perhaps the poor reputation of the BB forums is based more upon a few out-spoken retards than it is of the community as a whole. Now if we apply the same filter to the DB forums - I can think of a few people who have fitted the bill...


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Yeh I agree, most blitzers have issues with DB and usually for reasons they can't justify. I use blitz more now then I did before because I just feel more comfortable with it, and since it does the job that I want its fine. If I ever need something more then I use DBP its all to do with what you feel most comfortable with.

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You know what I think is funny aswell? Why people have no problem with people saying they're going to be learning C++ and DirectX, but when BB is mentioned, they get all defensive.

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Kentaree - it's because we know that 99% of the people here who say they're going off to learn C++ will never actually accomplish jack squat with it

Andy - "You of all people should know that simply mentioning Blitz is a recipe for disaster"

True, but I'm really not bothered and in this instance it was justified. If they do/say something amusing over there directly relevant to something I personally wrote, then I'm fully entitled to mention it.

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kentaree - lol

"so why r we at war with blitz anyway?"

as my sig says, "the nature of fanboy was irrepressible!" there will always be fanboys when it comes to competition in ANY aspect of life. DBP and blitz3d are competitors, therefore the communities fight. not all people fight, but those who do fight are the ones who give a community a bad name.

for this reason i tend to stay away from official forums as much as possible, as the fanboy concentration is the greatest there. LLRGT and blitzcoder are the best

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DarkBASIC was originally going to be for Blitz' publishers, but they tried to shortchange Lee, so he went independant with it. Guildhall has always been bitter about that. Of course, now Blitz appears to be at war with their own publishers, too. Is there anybody they do like ?

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I have a quick question!

What is the point of this thread now? To talk about Blitz? Blitz VS DBPro? DBpro VS Mike Tyson?

whatever the heck it is; we are going in circles with this discussion...
And who cares anyway?(I don't)

its pointless...

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Bah, Blitz3D and Dark Basic Pro wars are stupid in my opinion (and most of everyone elses opinions agree with me) fanboys will be fanboys, and you'll get em no matter what you do (which involves an interseting tale of a hockey game we had in gym class the other day...about 50 kids of two combined classes played against our team of 10 in the last round ). I'm just glad there are some mature people out there that can respect any language for what it is and not side on it just to side with something (like VanB, Ravey, etc) and just use what they need to to get the job done. There were quite a bit of people at http://www.blitzcoder.com who didnt care about language differences and the same over LLRGT. Heck, I've even tried Blitz3D before. I liked it, the syntax was quite interesting and I loved the entity system, and I would have bought it too, but the $100 price tag was a bit too much for my wallet at the time (not to mention currently with my new monitor, not a single Blitz Basic game runs on my computer without crashing the program when its executed and goes to full screen).

What I personally think TGC and BB should do is join together and make one kick ass language together. But...that'll probably never happen (Rich, Lee, etc, might wanna think about that, it'd be amazing what both your companies could do if they're together). Heck, maybe we can even have a seperate forum for only the mature non fanboys in the previous rivalries and then we wouldnt have to worry about n00bs and stupid flamewars and what not.

Quote: "for this reason i tend to stay away from official forums as much as possible, as the fanboy concentration is the greatest there. LLRGT and blitzcoder are the best "


You read my mind Drake. Non official forums always seem to be the best place to be when it comes to non fanboy idiocy.

Hmm, maybe we should all just leave these rivalries behind and head to C++ or something. But...

Quote: "Kentaree - it's because we know that 99% of the people here who say they're going off to learn C++ will never actually accomplish jack squat with it "


What Rich said is true...most people who go off to learn C++ dont do anything worthwhile with it. But...maybe if we all learned it together or something...maybe make one giant team. Bah, who am I kidding, it'll never happen (but if it did...imagine, just imagine what we could do with a bit of practice and a few OpenGL tutorials).

Oh well, at least I've said my opinion and thoughts about this entire matter, can't leave em bottled in. Off I go then.

Cheers,
Preston


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The best thing you all can do is make a sh*t hot game in DBPro and then use it as ammo to back-up your defense of DBPro.

Prove it with beautiful murderation on a sexy db landscape.

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what are we trying to prove?


why should we have to prove anything?

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These communitys are for programmers to come together and disscus ideas,theorys offer support or show of their latest projects or demos we shouldnt be fighting over which lagnauge is better because in the end their only programming tools and each one has its good points and bad ones. I wonder if blitz and darkbasic forums will ever come together?? Anyway i tend to ignore the immature people now and get on with my work. I understand that people arnt happy with dbpro at the moment but just remember you can code with patch 5 ok its not gonna stop you. And patience is a virtue you can wait for patch 6 its proberly not even going to be greatly noticable whether a bug has been fixed anyhow.

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Quote: ""Kentaree - it's because we know that 99% of the people here who say they're going off to learn C++ will never actually accomplish jack squat with it ""


*ouch*. That one hurt One question: How do you know that they don't accomplish jack squat? Because they don't show it off to this forum?

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Quote: "for this reason i tend to stay away from official forums as much as possible, as the fanboy concentration is the greatest there. LLRGT and blitzcoder are the best "


now you know why I'm not around here so often. well, that's just one of the reasons...

I know I'm no fanboy, but I think I'll be sticking to DBpro for now. Why? Simply because I can't just keep switching a language back & forth whenever something new & shiny pops up. I'd get even less done that I get now... and I think that would be just about nothing.


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