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Posted: 22nd Apr 2004 12:19 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2004 12:23
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Just curious to know if anyone's gotten a DBP app to run on an intel 810-based graphic chipset. I *think* that such a chipset supports 4MB of shared memory, but surely if it's shared that could be increased?

I don't have any stats or figures, I'm just looking at buying a cheap proprietry PC. The graphics chipset isn't upgradable, so that's why I'm asking

Also, while you're here, if you think you're running WinXP on the lowest possible amount of memory (I know MS think XP'll run on a 486 DX33 with 8MB of RAM, but I want realism here) then let me know. I'm interested to know what the realistic minimum amount of RAM required to run it.

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2004 12:33 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2004 12:34
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Yes, it works on my 810 as long as I keep to a limited number of graphics. I cant remember how much memory it uses, but I think its actually between 16Mb and 32Mb. You also generally need to keep to a 16-bit display (and have the latest drivers - which are a pain to find).

The realistic minimum amount of RAM for XP is 512Mb - less and you start having to use the swap space more. To be honest though, there is no reason not to get 1Gb - unless, of course, your computer doesn't have 2 free memory slots...


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Posted: 22nd Apr 2004 12:40
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You should be able to specify the graphics memory allocated to the 810 through the bios.


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Excellent. this computer's just scored another point. My laptop has an 815 chipset and it works in 16 bit mode (like you said TCA) but I was just wondering about the intel 810.

The computer is this one - it's kinda cool - 15cm by 10cm. It comes with a 900 Mhz CPU and 64MB of RAM, max 256MB. I know that 64MB is not enough, but I was hoping 256MB would be enough. If it could do DBP apps, then it would be tempting to use it for presentations (it has a TV-Out)... naturally it could also be a server tucked away in a bookshelf or something...

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Interesting machine...

Just dont expect fantasic speed out of a 810 - it must be one of the poorest internal graphics processors around. However syaing that, before I added extra graphics, my Blox game did run fairly smoothly at a decent frame rate...


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It's not gonna be my flagship machine 3D machine... I just thought it would be interesting. Infact I'm tempted to put another unnamed operating system on it and just run it as a mail server. Dammit. Why must pay day taunt me so?

£180 if you're interested - http://www.sterlingxs.co.uk/scpages/espressominicomputer.html ... I think that's a bargain for a PC, let alone one you could lose down the side of the sofa

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2004 14:52 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2004 14:54
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Nice one, just make sure you get the 256mb one. It really makes a big difference! I wonder if it could make a nice gameserver too, for you DBpro multiplayer games.

as for the graphics chipset... well. I have Intel 82845G/GL Graphics Controller (whatever that is) on this 2.66Ghz comp here at work. And guess what, DB games are slooooow. to the point they become unusable. I remember playing wordtris with 1 fps.

and by the way, XP runs very nicely on my old comp. (it belongs to my parents now).. AMD K6-2 500Mhz, 512(!) SDRAM and Geforce 2MX, I think. Funny thing is, it runs better than on my Brothers 2GHz Celeron laptop. (it's all about the spyware)


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I did say its a very awful graphics system It is a 'buisness' computer (hence the reason for the awful system). Fortunately, my main development machine as at least a GeForce4MX...


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Quote: "Fortunately, my main development machine as at least a GeForce4MX..."


you call that fortunate?
Oh well... guess people get used to whatever they've got.

I think radeon 9000-9200 (or the nvidia equivalent) would be fitting for low-end dev pc. Anything below that doesn't really save you that much money that it would be worth it.
Then 9500-9600 for common comp and 9700-9800 for the extreme players.

actually, devs should get the latest stuff with the 2.0 shader support. (I think 9200 & nvidia equivalent has it). Not that those shaders would run very fast, but at least you could use them in your games. Others can, so it's a good idea to get used to shaders and start learning a bit more about them.


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Posted: 22nd Apr 2004 15:41 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2004 15:42
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Quote: "you call that fortunate?"

Its better than a 810 graphics processor, or a 4Mb ATI Graphics Pro Turbo - at least I can play games if I wanted too... Nothing I write is graphically intensive - hence the reason I dont need anything better (and Dell dont do buisness machines with decent graphics cards in anyway).


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Quote: "Dell dont do buisness machines with decent graphics cards in anyway"


who does?

But I still see it as a big waste of otherwise good comp. Even the OS could speed up a bit if there were a slightly better gfx card. It severely limits the use of that comp and it really wouldn't cost all that much more to add a decent gfx card into it... especially for the one whoever makes the comps.


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Quote: "Dell dont do buisness machines with decent graphics cards in anyway"


We (me and my office buddies) regularly play UT 2003 using our Dell machines - they came with an nVidia Quadro FX 500 in them. Dunno if that's a particularly amazing card, but it certainly does the business.

I'll let you know how this lil' machine turns out. I think it's pretty much a certainty I'll be putting in an order as soon as my payslip lands on my desk

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Posted: 22nd Apr 2004 16:26 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2004 16:27
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@Adr

That would be a workstation computer, not a business computer.Their workstation comps are nice. We have some good ones at FTI, Xeon processors and Quadro cards. Niceness.


See below for my specs. I play games and do game dev (DBPro and C++/OpenGL) and 3ds Max 5.1/6 work on it. Handles well. Probably something to do with the fact that its in a server case with 2 120mm fans and lots of others. CPU runs at 28 degrees

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Those via cpus are slow as well. I have a 800mhz one and for encoding mp3s it is not much faster than a 300mhz PII.

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