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Megaton Cat
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Well 6 months ago I started this website with hopes to review and showcase great darkbasic/pro games.
(http://www.dbg.excaver.com
But it soon died due to...erm...certain personal difficulties. (ok I got busted at school)

But now that I returned I was thinking of relaunching as the sort of "PC gamer magazine" of DBP. Would anyone be mildly interested if I did? So I wouldnt be talking to thin air like last time? (it was a mess last time)

I would have to ditch a few of the sections to fit injust games and programs.
So I would basiclly have a dynamic updating site where I will play games (already played about a billion) write them a decent (as in decently written, I don't garantee the game will be good) review and give them a score out of 100. So then we could have just a fun place where users can browse the showcase, read about the latest stuff in dbp games and upgrades, and maybe get handed out some awards. (e.g game of the month, and individual awards like Best Graphics, Best gameplay etc)

I am going to have a more orginized approach this time. I know there already a few people who back me up (like deadglory, and the nice people who contributed reviews, who I all thank alot) so if you think it's a good idea and would want to actually read it, then just post here and say what you think. Because starting something like this is pretty much pointless without user feedback.

thanks

EDIT: Additionnal info: I will aslo preview various work's in progress and demos instead of just full games, so everyone can get thier work featured.

DOUBLE EDIT: For the guy below, it's not "really" a "magazine", just a site.

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Yeah, I'd love a "DB gamer" magazine. I'll even submit a game soon!

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hey...
DB gamer...
thats perfect!!! Nice one Manticore Night.
We shall name it DB gamer. Screw Darkbasic generation.

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Great idea megaton.

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Yes I would be interested !


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i would be interested aswell


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Yeah, bring it back, it was a good idea back then, and a good idea right now. Maybe you can even put in a little spot where people can showcase their own games their own way, like the suggestion from that E3 post a while back.

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Posted: 7th Jul 2004 04:16 Edited at: 7th Jul 2004 04:19
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I never knew it existed before, but I like the idea a lot. Be cool if it did reviews of all things in DB (ie. apps as well), but still DB Gamer is the best name . Also, a score out of 10 is best, who the hell is going to be able to tell the difference between 77 and 78?

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Yea I really liked it the first time so I'd probably read it .


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ill read it

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Sounds good, with so many people asking about what other games have been made, this would be really good for showing them what games can be made in DBP. Ill read it as well

Need help? Ask me via email, msn, aim, or forums and Ill see what I can do.

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Sounds great ^^ Thanks for the promo link in your siggy ^_^




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a site like that would be great! ^_^
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I'll basically say the same thing I said last time, as long as you have a set format that the reviews follow then it will be cool, because at the moment they're all reviewed in different formats...


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Yes ofcourse. This time I will because everything will be dynamiclly updated with all the basic info I need already in unlike last time, where I manually uploaded every review...

And to answer some questions:

Yes I will be reviewing apps (like Blue)

Quote: "Maybe you can even put in a little spot where people can showcase their own games their own way"


Well maybe...I was first just thinking of getting a basic forum to get people to say what they think of the reviews...but I'll consider.

Quote: "Also, a score out of 10 is best, who the hell is going to be able to tell the difference between 77 and 78?
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Ok yea that's what my friend said too
Out of ten it is.

and yea I'll try my best to make it as user friendly as possible.

I gota go to sleep now, so tommoro I'll try to finish the site design and navigation.

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RPGamer, I've been trying to reach you the past tow days to send you the new site design, but you won't go on msn and now the ED forums got dead. I'll just email. But go on msn anyway!

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Ya i took down the site for now. Gonna revamp the forums as well. Talk to you tommorow, going to bed now. Check the ed site, I put up a notice.


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I just checked all my emails (AOL, MSN, ED site) and couldnt find it. Ill be on MSN 2morrow.

Night night for now

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Is it ED that's online or is it the website that's online?


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GREAT idea Megaton.
Two thumbs up from Drew Cameron for site...

I'd submit a program or two...

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No, but does it mean ED is like an online multiplayer game? Or is it just in the URL for no reason at all like other sites have?


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RPG: Ok, I'll email then.

Anyone else can still post comments and suggestions.



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Quote: "No, but does it mean ED is like an online multiplayer game? Or is it just in the URL for no reason at all like other sites have?
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lol no, it's not on-line multiplayer, rpgamer just named the site thatl

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'Tis what I was asking, thank you.


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I'll support the site megaton

It was good last time, and if you update it regularily this time, it'll be even better

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Alas I see the forum ate my first well considered and carefully contrived post from a few days back, so i'll do it again.

I like the site Megaton, as indeed I believe I expressed in email a while ago, but why limit yourself to DBP?

The reason I ask is nothing to do with what i'm currently using to make my own games in, it's because of the sites marketting potential.

Think from the point of view of somebody who wants to play freeware games, there's plenty of them too - gamehippo for one gets 10k-15k visitors a day, not all these people know or care what DBP is, so why are the selection of games on your site limited?

It also instantly limits your own marketting opportunities and realistically it is restricting your readership to the users of this forum and LLRGT plus a trickle of general surfers at best.

Taking the cream of freeware, the top DBP games included, gives a much broader scope for your own marketting and "probably" provides a better review service to end users. Whats more, there really is no service like that at the moment - the nearest is gamehippo, but their focus is on software that runs on very old machines. All the other review sites focus on shareware so they can charge money for the reviews, and there's tons of them. This gives you a unique angle to build a user base with.

As I said to you in the email, it is potentially a very good site and I think a lot could be done with it. You only need to get a review of a new game once a week with your level of depth and you are onto a winner in terms of general public visitors - which is what the freeware community authors really need.

I think in all the DBP releases so far probably only about 10-20 of them deserve the kind of reviews you where doing before in relation to the rest of the freeware scene. There's some great stuff out there and it would be a shame not review something like Rory Mullane's Hyperbowl Smash (http://www.rorymullane.com/3d/hyperbowl/index.php) or Poor Yurik's Space Hulk SP (not sure of link can find out if you want) just because they aren't written in DBP - and before you rant - those two wheren't written in "the other" thing either .


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Ah Hello Andy

I tried catching you on msn to discuss our emails. What you are suggestiong is ofcourse a good idea. But you see, "Freeware" is a pretty big market. I alone, could not possibly hunt down games from all over the net to put on my site. What you are suggesting is just too big of an idea for 1/2 measly humen beings. Considering we both have things to do, you make games, I'm working on numerous other sites for people, (and maybe one of us actually has a life) this kind of thing just won't work. I am focusing on db because it's a small market. Every resource I need is on these forums.

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Andy, great idea.

Megaton,
What I suggest in that case, is you do all the reviews for the DB/P apps, and once you have a fairly large database of that up and running, and you start to run thin on things to review, then move your eye toward the freeware game area.

For games to get, simply post on this very forum, and I'm sure you'll get a million and a half games that you could potentially review. What you may like to do is ask people to write their own reviews to save you some trouble, and all you do is play the game, read over the review, add, delete, edit what you need to, and then stick it in your review upload form.

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For the benefit of forum goers the idea I had with Megaton was a little different even further to whats being discussed here:

To accept and review any game, in order to have your game reviewed the author would fill in a form and their game would get added to a holding que, they could then pick any game off the review que themselves and their task with this game is to review it. Once the author has submitted 1 review (that is accepted) their own game appears in the review que.

To get the ball rolling all that would be needed is a basic list of about 20 or so games for the que, maybe with more added later if the site is sucessful.


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Heh, good thinking 99!

Sounds like a good way of doing things, and as you said, once it gets going, it should explode into a frenzy of great reviews for all to share.

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Quote: "Megaton,
What I suggest in that case, is you do all the reviews for the DB/P apps, and once you have a fairly large database of that up and running, and you start to run thin on things to review, then move your eye toward the freeware game area.
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Well it's going to take some time to cover even the DBP zone. But yea once I got a nice stock I'll think about expanding.


Andy, yea as I said before, that would be a smart idea. But then again, not everyone can write reviews, let alone good reviews.

Quote: "To accept and review any game, in order to have your game reviewed the author would fill in a form and their game would get added to a holding que, they could then pick any game off the review que themselves and their task with this game is to review it. Once the author has submitted 1 review (that is accepted) their own game appears in the review que.

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That's the thing. If you can do all of that and make it work correctly then I'm on board too. There's the issue of time. Do you really have to the time to keep a site like this running and updated regularly? I know I don't, especially when school starts again after the summer.

If we can work these issues out then maybe...

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Well you can try this little quicki I made up:
http://www.freewebs.com/megaton_dbg/index.htm

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I preferred the old layout and colour scheme to be honest, the DB Gamer logo looks cool though.


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I have a fair amout of spare time
I'd be willing to help review games if you want any help.

And i agree with Exeat. The old design was nicer.
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I prefered the old site design actually.

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lol I like the look but I must agree with them, its just hard to beat the awsome design of the last site .


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Yeah, the old one looked like Nintendo Power or something, this is good but kinda looks like it should be the Daily Panets website.

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Yeah, I'm gonna follow like a sheep, The old design was much better, and easier on the eyes.

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I guess I'm an official trend setter then.


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Its a shame I lost the old one then, isnt it

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it here http://www.excaver.com/dbg/ .

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Lol Pet Rat, you could've just looked at the very first post in this thread


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ok ok ok
Sheesh I was just kind of bored of hightech/grey layouts so I wanted to try something different. I'll bring back the old crap...erm...I mean design. >_>

Petrat can you please email me the link to those files I backed up on your server long ago? I need the .psd files for the buttons.

EDIT: and the .psd files for everything else.

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Um you have the address megaton@excaver.com, right? I can just e-mail you the whole DBG site if you want. If you don't have that address yet its because maybe it doesnt exist, and I'll have to create it

Quote: "Lol Pet Rat, you could've just looked at the very first post in this thread"

Ah I didn't see the link there, I blame bill gates!

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Quote: "I can just e-mail you the whole DBG site if you want"


Um...okay, as long as the .psd files are in there.

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I don't see any psd files there..

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um...
I'm screwed aren't I?

EDIT: sigh okay I'll just make a new design.

EDIT 2: and can you just email me the CSS style from dbg? Thanks

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Lol, you don't have to use the exact same site, I think people just preferred the techy, grey colour-scheme and uhh... 'feel' of it.


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Well thats exactly what I have brewing up now, since people really seem to like it...should be ready tommorow.

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Yes, we're suckers for the same old gradient fills no matter how much they're used...


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Sorry I took so long, I kinda forgot o_O
Anyway, try this one for now. Still isn't complete though.
http://www.anzwers.org/free/megaton/index.htm

and yea the host sucks but it was the only one I could find that allows multiple file uploads. (I'll be getting a good on soon)

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