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3 Dimensional Chat / Wadda hell is going on!!

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 18:01
Listen, this may sound like some fool wining, but i think DBP isnt as good as one would think it was before buying it!For starters, there is no real easy way to do the levels,I mean if you use this so called amazing cshop, which by the way is more money added on to your game making pursuits, then you find out it doesnt read the .x geometry into dbp properly,so you use a dll of sum1's then find out you need to buy another dll for collisions to work(more money!!)I mean is it me or does sum1 else think its abit daft and dbp should of had these already? Yes I know one could code these features or workarounds and such, but in my opinion thats advanced stuff and abit disheartening when you just purchased this amazing powerful but simple programming language(or thats what it says on the tin anyhow!!)

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 18:18
shut up - DBPro might have its problems but they are being fixed

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Error 0 = no error - how is this an error the???
Shadow Robert
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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 19:24
Quote: "Listen, this may sound like some fool wining, but i think DBP isnt as good as one would think it was before buying it!For starters"


Isn't that a contradiction?

Quote: "For starters, there is no real easy way to do the levels,I mean if you use this so called amazing cshop, which by the way is more money added on to your game making pursuits"


I don't believe anyone one has ever called CShop amazing, and if they have they should be shot (no offense Josh ).
Personally I use GTKRadiant, created ID Software, Enhanced by the community, covers over 16 Seperate Game BSP types and FREE.

Quote: "then you find out it doesnt read the .x geometry into dbp properly,so you use a dll of sum1's then find out you need to buy another dll for collisions to work(more money!!)"


With the exception of sliding down stairs (a bug we've been assured will be corrected soon) BSP Collision works a treat, and is part of the built-in functionality.
This said the DirectX Collision is just as good if you use box collision and remember to make each side you want to use a seperate limb.

Quote: "I mean is it me or does sum1 else think its abit daft and dbp should of had these already?"


They are, just because something doesn't work exactly how you believe it should doesn't mean the function isn't working.

Quote: "Yes I know one could code these features or workarounds and such, but in my opinion thats advanced stuff and abit disheartening when you just purchased this amazing powerful but simple programming language(or thats what it says on the tin anyhow!!)"


What work-arounds? The manual clearly states and has examples for BSP Levels, if you need outdoors terrain then there are also examples for creating those types of levels too.
The examples and help weren't created just for the sheer hell of it, they are there for a reason.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 19:41
Most people if they were bothered and had the time people could program their own level makers / collision routines. There is free code showing sliding collision using no extra DLLs.

As for levels, it's up to you to decide how to do it. There's a full set of matrix commands for terrain plus the new free advanced terrain lib that's being released as I write, there's the ability to load .x geometry (load object) plus you can also load BSP worlds and get full, instant sliding collision.

If you want a package that has an easy way to create levels, take a look at other less powerful packages like RPG Maker. DBPro is a programming lanague and consequently some things require time. It's not all written for you - that's no fun at all :p

My advice? Stop whining and get coding

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:00
Well,arent I Mr Popular now!
Anyhow,surely you must see my valid points..Lets hope bsp will be sorted,the neat thing I found was the .x-bsp converter..perhaps i can experiment with free 3d modellers that export to .x, or .3ds and use deep exploration to convert.I can predict though that every newbie will buy the fps creator when it comes out..just coz it would be a whole lot simpler...though if they put a hefty licensing on it like they did with 3d gamemaker then perhaps not!I mean its very entailed doing a fps with just code..probably the hardest part would be convincing A.I for the baddies which probably would require some sort of scripting,so they appear when they should in the level, Sorry for sounding like I am bitching over what probably is a good package..yes I know doing even a print "hello world" in a language like c requires alot of code,never mind showing a rotating 3d textured object!I can code abit,I am not a total moron,I am writing a 3d level editor as i speak, i know aswell as any1 that its just a matter of placing objects,storing their locations in arrays and writing/reading them arrays to a file, but I am just thinking about the total newbie here..who wouldnt know what an array is if it hit them in the face..ya know!!Anyhow..best not to say anything else..I dont wanna make more enemies..I know you love this language and will defend it down to your last breath!I would do the same!

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:18 Edited at: 11th Jul 2004 21:21
Quote: "Well,arent I Mr Popular now!"


lol

You may be interested in the free, previous version of nuclearglory. It works with DBPro and makes sliding .x collsiion very easy.

http://www.nuclearglory.com/download.php

version 2.00

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:36 Edited at: 11th Jul 2004 21:36
hmmm..thanks for that plugin link..I tried it,but it errors saying variable 'if' name is not valid at line 434,which is in the include that you have to set up in project manager/files/includes..it doesnt even have that many lines so i presume its counting the lines in the main code also!!

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:38 Edited at: 11th Jul 2004 21:41
I get the same problem, I'm investigating.

Try version 1.5, i use that and it worked for me.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:41
yeh,i did 1st thing

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:43
Okay the problem is the comment after



remove that and it works.

Oh, I was wrong about installing the plugin, on first looking it looked like it was a TPC, but when i discovered the functions below then I realised it was just an ordinary DLL.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:48
yeh..works now!!thanks man!Wouldnt have tracked that down in a million years!Is there documentation to this free one anywhere?>

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:52 Edited at: 11th Jul 2004 21:53
Lol, no problem

What alerted me to it was that the "if..." line was being treated like a variable - and with that line coming straight after a function I reliased something must be wrong with the function declaration.

I'm not sure about documentation, the code's pretty easy to follow and you soon get into the swing of it. Read thru it, trying to understand how it works. The code is well commented.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:54
must be the 2.01 reference..ok..not alot of commands,but hell its free..Might buy the full version soon..its just damn hard to convince the wife I need it ya know..now if it was a brand new washing machine... Damn that credit card of hers!!

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 21:58
It's only about £8 with exchange rate now?

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 22:01 Edited at: 11th Jul 2004 22:01
might aswell be a million quid where the female is concerned!
to be fair though..I mean its dbpro i have borrowed off sum1 to test out..I did nagg her on friday and she eventually let me order my own dbpro electronically with the free darkmatter!which I hope arrives by tuesday the latest!Also I nagged her for Cshop saying I really needed it!!LoL..Lets hope i dont have to nagg her for much more eh

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 22:29
Quote: "I am writing a 3d level editor as i speak, i know aswell as any1 that its just a matter of placing objects,storing their locations in arrays and writing/reading them arrays to a file"


lol ... there's a LOT more to writing a good editor than the above mentioned matters...

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Posted: 11th Jul 2004 22:31
-I am writing a 3d level editor as i speak, i know aswell as any1 that its just a matter of placing objects,storing their locations in arrays and writing/reading them arrays to a file"

lol Yeah if that's what it is,I've already made one of those

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