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Surreal Studio IanG
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what are the main differences between c# and c++, is c# easy to learn if you know c++?

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David T
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c# is fully OO and fully supports .net.

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Richard Davey
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They are completely different. C# is 100% object-orientated, every single last thing is an object. It also handles memory allocation for you, garbage collection, etc etc - all the things you do yourself in C++. Knowing C++ first will make little difference if you move to C# other than the way commands/functions are structured.

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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The main problem is that you need .NET installed first (21+Mb download).


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Surreal Studio IanG
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got broad-band, and the .net framework comes on ms windows home sp1 disk

so the big question is - is c# worth knowing, do game compaines use it?

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Depends what industry you want to get into doesn't it.

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Surreal Studio IanG
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i want to go into game programming for pc as well as consoles

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GNU C/C++ is what you want to learn.
Although Microsoft is pushing the multiplatform of .Net, simple fact of the matter is Game Programmers dislike using OO whenever it can be avoided because it takes away thier power and .Net is never going to be multiplatform... thus the ONLY console likely to support it is the Xenon.

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xenon? let me guess ms's follow up of the xbox?

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yay .net


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Xenon is the name of it right now, the SDK at work has it on the main loader screen but we won't know until we have the actual console infront of us.

I'm suppose to fly to some symposum about this next week actually, we find out what the hell the artists get to use.
Microsoft are telling us one thing and ATI are telling us another, have a feeling that Microsoft just don't want to seem behind technology to be honest, as what we have as the hardware is a Dual G5 2.0GHz w/Modified X800 Card ... so bleh!

Just hope I don't fly to Seattle just to find out they still haven't decided. Might not seem like a big deal but we're talking the difference between being able to shift 60,000,000 Polygons/Sec and 110,000,000 Polygons/Sec.
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i know a bit of c++, enough to make TPC's

another big question:
What should i learn managed or non-managed direct x?

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Managed Dx requires .Net to be installed, Non-Managed doesn't.
So think about what audience you aiming for really.

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so i gather that no of the game consoles use managed dx then

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You gather correctly.

Personally, I don't think that we'll see one until the state-of-art of JIT compilation is very close to what you can get from compiling as we do now with our compilers.

Although I agree that C++ is the primary games development language, other languages *are* good experience and have uses in games creation too.

Perl, python and lua are the ones that come immediately to mind, not just for in-game scripting, but for generating game data. Experience in embedding them into a game could be useful too.

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Raven:

requesting you adjust the overall width of your sig, it is causing the forum to scorll horizontally even with 1024x768. This gets quite annoying to read posts.

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i know a bit of python - i'm currently learning it, after reading the careers section at codemasters, which tells you the best way to get into the games industry

so for game prograsmming i should leave c# alone?


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Would love to CR, but i've lost my X-Sig password, or username... i forget which i actually forgot
might take it off for the time being while the cartoon is up, but that's mean i'd have to put it back on once i sort my account out.

Why the heck sigs couldn't be dynamic in here i dunno.

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Raven, just replace the cartoon with a 1x1 pixel rgb(213,228,242) image.



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As far as the topic goes, I don't like to be restricted to .net, so chances are I'll keep moving on with my C++ or try out object pascal or something(I hear that's good for portability). Heck, Java might be worth a try in the near future, yet I doubt it'll surpass C++ anytime soon.



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C++ is better to learn, there's no real demand for C# yet and it's relatively easy to learn it. You can think of C# as Microsoft's Java (although, the performance is better on .Net) but if you're interested in programming games you should definitely learn C++ becasue it's still the most used game programming language. However, another thing to check out would be NVidia's Cg (C for graphics) which might be the new "it" language for games.
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thanks - i'll go and have a look at the nvidia site


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