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3 Dimensional Chat / Rhino3D, 3DS, Maya, Cinema4D, Lightwave or Poser?

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Out of the products in the subject bar which of those do you personally think is the better.

Please tell me which you prefer and give a reason, also if you a combination could you also tell me what combination.

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i dont know evrything about poser but isent it more a program with prebuild humans?

and not like the others that is fully 3d modeling programs.
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3DS Max is great for technical things like normals and optimising and UV mapping - I find it very complex though, it needs a lot of learning.

Rhino3D is awesome, I use it for all my modelling - it lacks texturing support (although it does do a really basic layout to get you started), it also lacks animation - but for a straight through .3DS export it's great. It's really a NURBS modeller, like the 3D equivalent of beziers, but it has nice vertice editing support. If you've used 2D CAD programs, you'll feel right at home with Rhino, but I picked it up really quickly after struggling with several packages.

Poser is a bad idea for DBPro, it's for lazy modellers and Poser users soon learn that 10,000 poly's is too much for any character.

Lightwave is quite popular, unique UI design and it's got a lot of power under it's hood, it's in 3DS Max's league.

Cinema4D, another popular one, but I've never used it - I think it's more for rendering animations etc than for low poly modelling.

There's also Gamespace, which is a true low poly modeller, or you can wait for vanMESH which will kick all asses on the low poly modelling front .


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thanx VanB. I think I will get Rhino3D, and on their website I see alot of people modelling in Rhino3D then rendering in 3DS Max.
Oh they have released Bongo which is basically for animating anything made with Rhino3D. That looks like something good.

Oh when is VanMESH coming out? That does look mad.
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vanMESH won't be finished for a while yet - probably close to Christmas before I'm at a beta stage. A lot of the core functionality is there, but coding all the tools will take a while.

If you need any low poly modelling tips for Rhino just let me know. One thing though - CharacterFX is only $20 and is great for making DX animated models.


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has anyone tried Silo? It looks pretty amazing, and very cheap. I've been fooling around with the Learnin Edition, and am thinking of buying the full version (sometime after payday )

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Quote: "Rhino3D, 3DS, Maya, Cinema4D, Lightwave or Poser?"


I'll take Milkshape over all of 'em!

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what is the website for Silo
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http://www.nevercenter.com - it's a pretty amazing modeller, but I'm not sure how usefull it is for low-poly stuff...

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Messed around with the learning edition of Silo as well. I'm still undecided, as it seems it has a few minor bugs that bother me. It's always improving though, and looks promising for the price.



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For games, 3ds max is the best because out of all the big boys (Lightwave, Maya, etc.) it has the BESTERESTEREST polygon modelling tools, making it vital for game devolopment. I use 3ds max 6, so if you have the cash then I'd definetly go for Max. Lightwave and Maya, especially Maya, in my opinion are better for movies and stuff.
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Cinema 4D is AMAZING for high poly moddeling and rendering, only problem is, you can't export animation in objects! which is annoying!
Its great for making movies for your games though!
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well i have to say lightwave rocks as a modeller for any platform. I have really only used 3dsmax 6.0 and lightwave 7.5 but fooled around with maya learning edition and found the commands hard to manage. lightwave has the advantage of working in just tri's(for games) or quad+ polygons(for low poly count models). If you choose either max or lightwave both have thousands of plug-ins to help you out, and many are free. As for poser i have used it as a post-processing tool for character rigging in conjunction with my lightwave models.

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Poser may be a good tool if you plan on doing a lot of 2D work. For example, create a high polygon human and then render it at a side view while running a walk animation.

Speaking of great tools though, XSI has just released a foundation version for $495 that may be worth a look.



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thanx. Yeah I had a look at the Silo website and it seems like a great package. They are working on implementing animation into it.
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Usually im using maya to create my models
but for low poly i go for cinema 4d .
i think that cinema 4d is much more easy to understand .
for hpoly/renders/dynamics/animating ill take maya ...
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Couldn't you just export a model from poser and use a different program to reduce the number of poly's?

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Trying it now. Direct export vs. Hand-modelling, with Milkshape as the intermediary...

*few minutes later*
Not bad...Exporting turned out better than I expected. Needs a little tweaking after cutting polygons (the fingers are now stubs on the hand, the face now matches a gargoyle's, etc.), but overall workable. I'd still go with hand-modelling for quality's sake, but so far, not bad.

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I think Rhino 3D is a good choice seeing as its very affordable and very powerful


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This question is nearly as old as 'where do I come from'. I'd think it's easily 75% artist and 25% program. Maybe even more in the artist favor.

But personally, Poser has very little value to this field. Seeing as it just generates stock characters that are way to high poly. Beside you cant really do much point by point or even edit polygons in it. You'd have to export it to another program. However it's face texture generators and face generator could be of some use.

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I've only ever used 3ds Max, so I'm probably very biased, but I really like it. I've been using it for about 4 years now and I'm still learning new tricks. It is true that it is a very deep program. There are a lot of tools in its toolbox. The thing I like most about it is that it can do everything that any other 3d app can, and probably better.
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milskahpe3d all the way for me, if i had the money i would get rhino 3d, as i dont really like the layout of 3dsmax too confusing looking

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Amen Dark Coder


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