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eat much pie
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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 06:46 Edited at: 8th Aug 2004 06:51
I've decided that my decrepit GeForce MX 440 just isn't up to the challenge of the likes of Far Cry (demo ran at 2 fps!). I've recently come into some money, and I was wondering if any of you lot could give me a bit of advice as to which card to get for about £150.

Cheers!

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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 07:51
Look on http://www.pricewatch.com/ under Video Cards. Or http://www.newegg.com. They have great deals. Get a Radeon 9000-line or a nVidia GeForce FX 5200/400(/600 if you can afford it).

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Is price-watch secure? I've never used it before. Is it like, buying second hand cards from the public? Or is it straight from the companies?


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Just make sure the companies it lists have good ratings. They're a middle-man, but they're generally safe; I don't know anyone who's bought from them and gotten a defective product (or not gotten one at all). I've bought through them thrice.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 09:23
ATI Radeon 9600 XT. NO doubt about it. I'm pretty sure it's around 150...

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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 10:02
At this point that card really shouldn't be more than $120. I'm sure he could get a good 9800 for that money . Perhaps not an XT though.

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i have 256MB of ram and crap processor + crap graphoics card (dunno what at mo) but my dad thinks that m PC craashes cos of memory!!

when i start earning i'll get a good PC

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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 11:27
256mb isn't much these days, but if you're not running a lot of background tasks, it might not be the problem. If you're running 98 or ME it might well me. They have major mem leaks.

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im on 98 but it worked with more on, its just old, the processor is nad and the graphics card (i believe) is either a high level geforce 2 or low 3

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Jeez, a GeForce 2 is crap? I have a 16MB NVIDIA TNT2! But I am buying a 64MB GeForce 2 MX 400, so...

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! actually i think it IS a tnt 2 and my other one is ge 2, and yes, my grandad (dunt ask why) has the top level radeon

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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 13:15
Does anyone here know what "TV-OUT" means? I saw a cheap GeForce 4 and was wondering what that means.

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means u can stick it into a TV, TV signals are diff to monitors, less pixles etc

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Oh, ok. So it will still work on my PC?

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I think 9800 pro is less thant £140 where i live. The 9600 xt is around £115 i think. The 9800xt is more than £200 iirc.

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Wow! I can get a 9600 for $120 US!

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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 17:30
@ ocean runner

DO NOT BUY THE GEFORCE 2 MX 400!!! It's worse than what I have at the moment, and what I have at the moment use totally useless! (2 fps on Far Cry demo), and I don't think it has any shader capabilities.

@ everyone

Cheers for the response so far guys, I'll have a look for the Radeon 9800, but which version of it should i get (eg. XT)


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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 18:23 Edited at: 8th Aug 2004 18:38
Curiouser and curiouser ...

I've had a look at the Sparkle GeForce FX 5800's specs:

Quote: "
SPARKLE GEFORCE FX 5800 128 MB AGP GRAPHICS CARD FOR PC

Format: PC

AGP GeForce graphics cards for PC

• nVidia NV30 (GeForce FX) chipset

• AGP 8x bus connection

• DirectX 9.1 hardware accelerator

• 128 MB DDR2 Memory (>1 GHz Data Rate)

• 400 MHz core clock speed

• 800 MHz memory clock speed

• 8 rendering pipelines

• 16 texture units per pipeline

• 12.8 GB/sec memory bandwidth

• TV out
"



And then I looked at the POWER COLOR ATI RADEON 9800PRO's specs:

Quote: "
ATI 9800DV PRO chipset

• AGP 8x bus connection

• DirectX 9.1 hardware accelerator

• 128 MB DDR

• 380 MHz memory clock speed

• 340 MHz core clock speed

• 19.8 GB/sec memory bandwidth
Up to 8x FSAA (Full Screen Anti Aliasing)

• Up to 16x Antistropic Filtering
"


The GeForce is £130, and the Radeon is £150. The GeForce has more than double the memory clock speed of the Radeon, and has a better core clock speed. They both have 128mb of ram, but the Geforce's is DDR2 (a lot faster). It seems that you get a lot more bang for the buck with the GeForce. The Radeon's only redeeming features are its memory bandwidth, and its FSAA and antistropic filtering capabilities. I don't know if the GeForce has these capabilities, and if truth be told, I don't actually know what they are.

Is the memory bandwidth all that important, or could it be sacrificed a little for money, core speed, and memory speed?


[edit]
It turns out that the GeForce 5800 has something called "intellisample", which has antialising and antistropic filtering. If the memory bandwidth isn't too important, then I think I may have found my card!
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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 20:10
Geforce 4mx was a good card, when it was released.

MSI Geforce 5700 Ultra 128MB - £103

Connect3D Radeon 9600 XT 128MB - £105 or 256MB Version - £112

Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT 256MB - £123

MSI Geforce 5900 XT 128MB - £125

Gainward Geforce 5900 XT 128MB - £130

Shappire 9800 Pro 128MB - £136

PNY Geforce 5900 XT 128MB - £143

Personally, PNY and nothing else. What you choose is upto you.


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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 20:40 Edited at: 8th Aug 2004 20:43
cheers raven, I reckon I'm going to get the GeForce 5900XT (£105 ex. vat, I know a manager of a copany who can claim back vat).

I was wondering though, what does the XT represent?

Also, is savastore secure? I don't want to give my money to someone who'll just run off with it (or something along those lines, you know what I mean). Has anyone used savastore before?

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@ people who have/are using a 5900XT
Do games/programs run smoothly? eg. On games, do you set the settings to high?

Cheers!
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Posted: 8th Aug 2004 20:46
SavaStore/Watford Electronics is airtight, well as far as onlines stores go.
I've been using SavaStore since it went online.


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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 00:40
I'm not sure... seeing how these prices are so low, I might as well spend a bit more money to get a better card, so I don't have to buy another one for some time. Anyone got any ideas? About £150 ex. vat


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WOW!!! I found a GeForce 6800 128mb for just £154 on dabs.com!!! Unfortunatly, it doesn't say whether it's PCI or AGP. I did a search on its manufacture code, and it came up with one sight saying that the code represented a "Tornado GeForce 6800 AGP8X (325/700MHz) / 128MB DDR DVI +Tvout". Pretty sweet deal, eh?

I looked on the nvidia website and it said loads of good things about the 6800 series (obviously), but what do you think of the 6800 series? Is the tornado GeForce 6800 still as good as the others?

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Quote: " @ ocean runner

DO NOT BUY THE GEFORCE 2 MX 400!!! It's worse than what I have at the moment, and what I have at the moment use totally useless! (2 fps on Far Cry demo), and I don't think it has any shader capabilities."


I found a 64 MB GeForce MX 440 that I'm getting instead.

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I've never heard of Tornado before... usually it's an eVga, PowerColor, or LeadTek.

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Maybe you should just buy a VooDoo3 3dfx 16mb graphics card.... I struggled with that baby for awhile.... my old computer's specs were:
VooDoo3 3dfx 16mb
2 memory sticks = 96mb of RAM
500mhz Pent. 3
Windows 98
Mmfff....

Now I've got a much better computer now, but not the best, I need to upgrade the graphics card, then maybe the RAM.

Good Luck on finding a good deal.

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eat much pie -- any of the three cards you've listed look like pretty good deals. Look at some online reviews if you want more assurance of quality .

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@ Ocean Runner

That's the card I have at the moment, and to be frank, I wouldn't give it to a hobo because they have enough crap of their own. Seriously though, it's only really meant for old grannies whom think the mouse may bite them if they don't keep clicking on the same thing over and over again. It's not for programmers, nor is it for gamers. But hey, it's up to you!

Cheers for the response guys! Seeing how this 6800 doesn't have any description and is suprisingly cheap, I'm going to assume there's something wrong with it. I'll probably get a 5900XT. Or, I may get the 5900. What's the difference between the 5900 and the 5900XT in terms of rank?

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Round and round I go...

Now, I've found a GeForce 5950 ultra 256mb on dabs.com for £185 ex.vat!!! And this time, there's a description! And there's some coming into stock in the next few days! The only problem; dabs.com.

I've been looking around and it seems like dabs.com has quite a bad reputation for costumer services. For all those whom know about dabs.com, please could you tell me what you think of it.

Cheers!

PS: Sorry about asking about company reputations, I just want to make sure I don't get short-changed


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Quote: " @ Ocean Runner

That's the card I have at the moment, and to be frank, I wouldn't give it to a hobo because they have enough crap of their own. Seriously though, it's only really meant for old grannies whom think the mouse may bite them if they don't keep clicking on the same thing over and over again. It's not for programmers, nor is it for gamers. But hey, it's up to you!

Cheers for the response guys! Seeing how this 6800 doesn't have any description and is suprisingly cheap, I'm going to assume there's something wrong with it. I'll probably get a 5900XT. Or, I may get the 5900. What's the difference between the 5900 and the 5900XT in terms of rank?"


I'm sorry, I meant GeForce 4 MX 440.

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Yeah, that's what I meant!

Anywho, is buying from dabs.com a good idea?


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dabs.com are great although ebuyer seems cheaper these days.

dabs tend to put on a few surcharges here and there

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Cheers karlos, I'll probably go with dabs then, and may I take this oppertunity to complement your choice of sig. The frog will take over the world and I shall do everything the frog says and I shall give all my worldly possessions to the frog and ... oh! Went into a bit of a daze there.


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s3/via deltachrome s8 . I have this card, its excellent. May not be as good as ATI's radeon 9800 or Nvidia's newest card, but i think it's about as good as like a Radeon 9600 or something. Me daddy work there, I get the newest updates as soon as they come out .

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Quote: " Yeah, that's what I meant!"


Alright then, what IS a good card to buy with a $45 US budget.

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Probably the GeForce 4 MX 440.

I'm not sure how the prices are over the pond, but going by the conversion rate of 53 pence to the US dollar, that would be about £24, which isn't really enough to buy anything better. Try getting a job, like stealing money from an elderly crippled relative. No I didn't.

Just messing with you. If you're on that tight a budget, then the MX 440 is something to think about.


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hi get a ati 9800 pro 128mb then get the driver that turn's its gpu
to a 9800 pro XT that is the best u can get for your money
I know am gone get flamed for this but stay away from 5900 or XT
I have seen and read some bad report's on this card one of my mates
has this card and his flat mate has a 9800 pro 128mb with that XT patch.On the new doom 3 the 9800 kick's the s**t out of the 5900
thats fact .But in the 5900 defence it could have a problem but it score's all right on 3D mark 2003 i would go with the 9800 pro and patch it 2 the XT thats what i am saving up for now hope this help's
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Well, I'm 12...

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Radeon 9800 Pro 128MBs are almost in that range if I recall the pounds to dollars conversion at all.

That'd be pretty top of the line to get. I've been looking for one at a good discount.

Right now I've got an MX 420, and am looking at them as an upgrade from a 'standard' card which I belive all the MX line are? to a real 'gamers' 3D card that can handle a lot.

Though I'm partly just doing it to enjoy the highest refresh rates at high resolutions too.

I'll get a used one to save the dollars if I can.
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Get a 9800 pro they go for about £150 on ebuyer and they have four more pixel pipes than the 9600 series.

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