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Richard Davey
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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 00:01
Ok so after a hard week of work I finally sit down and think "today I'll play Doom3", yet I get no chance to do this because the game runs so damn slow its unplayable. I have a GeForce 6800 card, the latest drivers from the NVIDIA site and Doom3 recommended I run it in High Quality mode, with everything turned on. Except it chugs.. and I mean really chugs.. you can't even look around without the display playing catch-up, it must be running around 5 FPS at most in certain scenes.

So I figure lets drop the settings. Down to Medium Quality, with a good resolution - still utter crap. Turned off the "High Quality Special Effects", no difference. Tried toggling all settings, anti-aliasing, shadows, etc and still its running slower than a 1 legged dog in a tar pit. Finally drop it down to 800x600 and it's just - and I mean just, playable. But the graphical quality everyone is raving about is gone. Textures look abysmal when up close, the lip-sync is so out it looks like a dubbed Kung-fu movie, when doors open revealing new scenes everything pauses for a few seconds.

I thought maybe they were just showing off all of their cool things at the start, so I struggle through and get to the point where the scientist turns into a zombie, shoot him, another appears and it takes me so long to turn around I'm half dead before I get a chance to unload.

I am utterly shocked at how bad it is. I was quite hoping for a 6800 card to run it really well, it's not like my PC is all that sluggish either. Ah well, this one is going straight onto eBay!

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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 00:05
@Rich....I would like to know your Benchmark score in 3DMark03.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 00:09
Ok, I'll install it and run it now. My other games are a treat, especially Joint Ops. Mind you, I did have problems with that Codemasters Soldiers game being arse slow too, when that should have zoomed. Hmm... perhaps I just need more memory (only got 512MB).

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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 00:32 Edited at: 9th Aug 2004 00:33
have a look at this thread, they mention various ways of improving performance in Doom 3:
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdoom/topic.asp?fid=5733&tid=1438663
I don't know how efficient they are cause i don't have doom 3, but i thought that might help you.


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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 01:34
See if you can borrow someone´s memory to try it out. 512 doesn´t go with a 6800. Try with one gig and shutdown those unnesisary tasks. I´ve noticed a huge diference in speed between running FarCry with the antivirus and firewall and without.


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Would my PC be able to run Doom3 at medium quality for everything and changing that number to 512 in the config file?

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Offtopic: What's "System Idle Process" and what happens if I turn it off(It's using 99% of 3% of my CPU)?

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Quote: "Offtopic: What's "System Idle Process" and what happens if I turn it off(It's using 99% of 3% of my CPU)?"




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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 03:31 Edited at: 9th Aug 2004 03:37
Did you turn off all anti-aliasing & isotropic in the nVidia control panel ? And are you using the latest nVidia drivers (with support for the 6800 series - v6177 ?)


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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 03:46
Grismald - thanks for that link, it helped massively. By default D3 was using just 20MB for image cache, I upped it to 96MB and at medium quality with in 800x600 (and all effects turned on) it moves at a good consistent frame rate. I cannot push the res up though.

MIR - The problem with the memory in my PC is that it uses RIMMS, you have no idea just how expensive they cost now. Infact they're really hard to buy, tracking some down in ebay is possible, but it would cost me hundreds to upgrade to 1GB and I think I'd rather just buy a new motherboard, but I don't have the time to arse around re-building my PC at the moment, so it has to wait.

TCA - all of those settings are set to program controlled, the way they should be. And yes I'm using the latest nvidia release drivers (which of course support the 6800).

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Hope my copies hurries up and comes.


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Well, here's my stats:

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
512 Mb RAM
1.6 GHz processor

The recommended specs for D3 say I should run in 1024x768 on medium detail. My results are the same as Rich's. I basically did everything rich did and right now I'm running it in 640x480 on medium detail. It still chops occasionally, especially when there are a load of spiders/possessed marines coming after me.

I'm taking it the main problem is my processor, since the minimum requirements are 1.5 GHz. Then again, min RAM is 512. Guess I should upgrade both...


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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 05:06
Rich - I found this on ebuyer - http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1183280409&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3NwZWNpZmljYXRpb25z&product_uid=36723 It may be the type of memory you're looking for.

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Quote: "I can run Doom III fine on max quality on 640x480 and get good FPS."


Are you familiar with the term 'screen resolution'?

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So.....how is the game?
I'm hearing a ton about the specs you need to play it which, although quite helpful, does not really describe how good overall the game is.

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my Gf2 sucks, or else I'd be getting it I have:
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Wow, at least you got the p4 and 512 ram.
I've got the GF2 with only 256mb and a 1.3mhz Celeron.

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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 12:49
"I'm hearing a ton about the specs you need to play it which, although quite helpful, does not really describe how good overall the game is"

lmao, my thoughts exactly. all these people rushing out to buy all the newest parts without realizing that the game isn't that good (from what i hear).

i'm fine with my radeon 9500, 1.6 ghz athlon and 512MB ram, thank you very much. it plays halo very nicely (which, from what i understand, is surprisingly difficult to do).

OK enough of that damn DBP fanboy banner. i'm NOT a DBP fanboy in any way. i haven't used DBP in over a year, and i don't really plan on using it again.
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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 13:26
Quote: "lmao, my thoughts exactly. all these people rushing out to buy all the newest parts without realizing that the game isn't that good (from what i hear).
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The game seems to be more or less a wake up call. Every once in a while we need a game like this, makes the economy of PC parts skyrocket.

Without games that sucked but yet taxed the PC to the extremes we wouldn't have a need to buy new parts. Although i belive HL2 will do this a slight bit more... it is a good thing in its own way.

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I got it to run fine with the highest resolution and best graphics quality on my 4x AMD athlon 64 940 socket style (not sure of real speed), with 32 Gb of ram and a FX 5950.

Ya right, Doom 3 can run smoothly?

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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 18:25
32 GB of RAM? Lol, yeah right!!


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Specs:
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I run Doom 3 at
1024x768
High Quality
Antialiasing 8x
Everything turned on

Runs at a good 40-60 FPS for me, drops down to 20 if there's 5 or more demons on screen. But for me, the game is an absolutely beautiful play.

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Quote: "So.....how is the game?"


There are other threads devoted to the game itself, this was just about trying to get it working in the first place! But to give you a quick overview: graphically it's very nice, there are some lovely touches - the way you can see yourself in the mirror holding your weapons/torch), some of the windows are all buckled which gives this distorted effect, the part where you step outside onto the surface of Mars is superb and well worth doing in god mode just so you can walk around and admire it. The little touches are neat, the kitchen area with the Super Turkey Hunter 3 arcade machine you can play, the video screens to watch, the interactive consoles are smooth. The PDA is quite neat too, but for a hard core FPS I really wasn't interested in reading all the stuff they contained. The voice acting is stunning, face textures close-up are too. It does all set the scene very well, but the actual game itself? ...

Well, pretty average really. When all hell breaks loose (literally) it turns into a rather more simple run into a room, listen out for the groaning zombies, waste them, turn around quick to waste the other one that sneaked up on you, run into the next room, keep going until you reach checkpoint. Gain access to other rooms, repeat this process over and over. The environments are tiny and dark, there's no room for moving about. Monster AI doesn't exist, although their animation is great. Weapons are all satisfying. Scarey? well yeah a bit, but not because of what you are seeing on-screen, more because of what you hear over the comm-link! Although even that could have been taken directly out of Aliens.

I'm going to play it to the end though, just to see what else they have in store. But I honestly cannot be bothered to do it "normally" and will instead do it on "give all" mode (all weapons + ammo), I guess because there is just nothing at all to pull me, make me want to finish it OTHER than seeing what new graphical tricks they have coming, so I want to get to them as quickly as possible.

To be honest, Painkiller is a MUCH better game.

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I haven't played Doom 3 but I know I can attest that Painkiller is indeed bloody awesome, definately one of my favourites for this year so far.


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Posted: 9th Aug 2004 21:33 Edited at: 9th Aug 2004 21:36
quite strange, i was looking at a benchmark result from doom 3 and the 6800 was getting a good 60 fps the standard cant be much below the gt

ahh here it is
[edit] changed image to agp instead of pci-e[/edit]


got it from http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQyLDI=

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Quote: "Well, pretty average really. When all hell breaks loose (literally) it turns into a rather more simple run into a room, listen out for the groaning zombies, waste them, turn around quick to waste the other one that sneaked up on you, run into the next room, keep going until you reach checkpoint. Gain access to other rooms, repeat this process over and over. The environments are tiny and dark, there's no room for moving about. Monster AI doesn't exist, although their animation is great. Weapons are all satisfying. Scarey? well yeah a bit, but not because of what you are seeing on-screen, more because of what you hear over the comm-link! Although even that could have been taken directly out of Aliens."


If you've only encountered the zombies, then you can't realy comment on the AI. AI of the more well armed demons and the bosses is quite a challenge to face. As for the no room to move around, I beg to differ. This game rewards you quite well for exploring, leaving items in the most unexpected of places, with enough hidden areas to keep me quite happy. Also, from all the PDA's you pick up, you really get a feel for how in-depth the designers went. From all the voice logs and emails, the plot of the game is actually quite interesting, and it's so very vast. As for scary, just play more into the game. About half way through they stop trying to scare you and start trying to kill you, then they go for the scare factor again. With high volume 5.1 and amazing shadows, this game has spooked me more than once.

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Quote: "What did people expect doom 3 to be like ? I don't think it was ever meant to be some new almighty groundbreaking game with majorly advanced AI etc etc, isn't it supposed to be like doom 1 + 2 just with spiffier graphics?"


Of course it was supposed to be ground-breaking, especially graphically. It's just that it isn't. The physics really are not that impressive, you get little more than a few crates to knock about - I like the attention to detail (like shooting little cups off the desk), but it's nothing that new. The modelling and texture work is second to none, but it's so cramped and tiny and the gameplay repetitive that after the first few hours you're left feeling like you've seen it all before. Doom 1 and 2 were innovative. This isn't. Painkiller on the other hand, now that had a good game hiding inside of it at least.

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Quote: "As for the no room to move around, I beg to differ."


That should have been read as meaning "small environments", as in there is literally very little room to move around because the rooms are so tiny. There are indeed lots of nooks and crannies to dig into, they're just all so.. well, small. That is what I meant.

The attention to detail IS good, I never said it wasn't, but this is a Doom game, no-one cares about the story.

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Quote: "That should have been read as meaning "small environments", as in there is literally very little room to move around because the rooms are so tiny."


You know you can get out on the martian surface right?
It's bloody vast... you have to skip between certain areas like that because the airlocks and such have been destroyed.

As for the physics, again wait until later. The game eases you into everything really, it starts of very simplistic but then grows in complexity of what you have to do.

Remember the Environments are all self contained, although the Zombies are mindless morons, the small spider things and cerub things are danm simple to kill but they learn each time they attack you.

Once you've got to the other end of the rail-system you realise this as they start setting up traps for you. It is scarey when you follow one down a hall to off it and come across 20 of them which have obviously been waiting.

The start of the game really is there to make you feel trapped, clostraphobic and ease you into the story.
One that is gone you are just quite frankly attacked randomly, before the real fun begins... Monsters won't attack you but lie in wait in corners, i actually though the AI was broken on one of those big ugly dudes as i shone a tourch at it, didn't move so i move a lil close, until i was right infront of him. Thought he was some kinda statue, turned my back and hear him roar in the surround.

Tell you that REALLY does scare the crap out of you. I mean sure you could just rush through the game and sod the story, you'll notice it does appear to be extremely linear and simplistic.
But when you start tinkering with your environments and looking around, yeah it does certainly get interesting.

As for your graphics problem, make sure your AGP Apature is set to 128MB, also it's the textures which take up the Ram, so you set them to medium and you should be alright at most resolutions.
I've not been hearing good things about performance of Doom on Pentium4 Processors though.

You could quite easily pickup an Athlon64 3000+/Mobo/1GB PC2100 for around £250ish which is worth it imo with games like this and half-life 2.


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Here is another reason why it plays so shat on my PC!!!

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20040804_195824.html

Yes I do have a dual-display, and I cannot do what they suggest to fix it either... bah.

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If it only happens on the newer drivers, can't you revert back to an older one? (Assuming they support the 6800 of course)

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They don't, not fully.

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You know the simplist solution here?
Just take out your second display

It'll automatically revert back to single display mode, generally speaking as no games take advantage of Multi-Monitor I always turn it off anyways, as it'll suck around 10-20fps from your top end.


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That's not a solution. There is no way I'm dicking around at the back of my PC un-screwing the DVI connector and rebooting every time I want to play a game. No game is worth that, especially not Doom3.

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I'll be fine. The laptop forum have been playing it on the same laptop as I have with no serious problems. Apparently runs perfectly fine at 1000x800 resolution with medium settings. Will suit me fine while lying down in bed. Mouse is a bit small though... But the Gb of RAM should help it along a bit more.

Although hopefully has a way of doing widescreen settings as they reported they don't come with the game (apparently you can muck around with text files and the like). Shame the laptop is not powerful enough for the full 1920x1200 at a decent rate though. That would have been nice.

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@Exeat you think that 32 GB of ramm is imopsable? This motherboard can have 4 athlon 64 940 sockets and up to 20 GB of ramm. You could probably find one that can have 32 GB.

http://geek.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=2896101

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I can run Doom 3 at medium to high setting alright, although it suffers more at the higher settings but I can keep it between medium and high and suffer no slowdown at all. I have a gig of RAM, a Radeon 9800, and 2.8 ghz processor which might be why. As for the game, it's awesome. The gameplay's simple yet I haven't been bored yet. In fact it's so simple I bet my dad could play it easily enough. The game areas all look the same somewhat but each area has it's own unique feel that keeps the game looking fresh. There are also small diversions to help as well (bosses, the crane puzzle with the barrels of biological waste, etc.). All in all this is an excellent game even without the graphics (although they certainly help). However, if you're an experienced FPS player play on the harder difficulty settings because the game can be relatively easy if you don't.
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Quote: "@Exeat you think that 32 GB of ramm is imopsable? This motherboard can have 4 athlon 64 940 sockets and up to 20 GB of ramm. You could probably find one that can have 32 GB."


I never said it was impossible. I just said YOU don't have that much, nobody would waste that much money on just RAM... and yes, that includes you.


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I am savinf money for my next comp that I plan on buying in two years, and yess I am going to spend $5000 just on ramm, $1600 on the mother boards, $775 per prosessor x 4 processors and up to $1000 on the hard drive and video card.

It's gunna need the ramm and 4 x prossecors cuz it's gunna be my school/gaming/programming/modeling/video editing/server computer!

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Well I guess my theory that the 'rich are stupid', is true.


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a/ 20GB is the highest I have seen on-board
b/ That's an Opteron Board: 2x FX-51 could very easily out perform Quad Opterons of the same speed, especially in games as they lack alot of Floating-Point Speed.
c/ The Ram that particulay board is between, useless to completely useless for gaming. Sorry but in order to fill all of that to get 20GB it would cost somewhere in the region of $6,400. (oh yeah not to mention it runs at PC2100 which if your going to bottom end gaming and high latency ram is fine... personally nothing less than PC3200 even then for gaming purposes a low-latency would really prove better than more ram)
Although more Ram is better and everything, anything over 4GB is pointless as it will just sit idle unless you happen to be building a games server or a 3D Render Farm
d/ There are no PCI-E boards currently that take over 4GB and 1 Processor; To actually take advantage of ram you need to be running a PCI-E 16x Graphics Card, and have *atleast* 2MB Cache Processors.

Quite frankly in order to have built a decent system around that board and maxxed out it's specs your looking at the better part of $20,000. Which is just stupid, when you can buy a Ram-Board and Dual FX Processor System for a fraction of the price.

Those systems aren't designed for speed, simply bandwidth. Shifting data as quick as possible. Games are overall the most demanding things as they need a balanced speed.


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Hmm... ran okay for me at medium level... but the performance degraded horribly after couple hours of playing. Like there would've been a serious memory leak or something.

Quote: "You know you can get out on the martian surface right?
It's bloody vast... you have to skip between certain areas like that because the airlocks and such have been destroyed."


lol. the "surface" is just slightly bigger area surrounded by the base structure and rocks. besides, you only spend like max 20seconds out there, because you simply can't afford to hang out there much longer with the air running out!
this is one of those ducttape comments... there is no such thing unless you use a mod!


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I would think trying to buy RAM over 2Gb (and thats very expensive) would require the salary of David Beckham...


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Quote: "lol. the "surface" is just slightly bigger area surrounded by the base structure and rocks. besides, you only spend like max 20seconds out there, because you simply can't afford to hang out there much longer with the air running out!
this is one of those ducttape comments... there is no such thing unless you use a mod!"

Actually, there are parts where you have to spend a minute or more out there where you get to have a good look at the surface showing just how expansive it is.
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I just got word on the new computer I'm going to get! Do you think it will be upto Doom 3 standards?

AMD 2800
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80GB Hardrive?

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Posted: 11th Aug 2004 05:29
Sounds like your going to be ok with doom on at least medium. Impossible to speculate further as its unknown what chipset the graphics card is, but with the ram and the 128meg card with an amd 2800xp it should play at medium. I havent played it yet, so this estimate is based upon what i have thus far read.

The 3d chat is coming...
In the meantime, come in the IRC. Ask me for details!!.
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Posted: 11th Aug 2004 06:01
Quote: "Well I guess my theory that the 'rich are stupid', is true."


I'm acctualy pretty poor, note I have to save for two years all the money I make buying nothing. I am going to rely on comps to get anything, prizes and gifts to get anything new for the next two years.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2004 06:17
Quote: "I am going to rely on comps to get anything, prizes and gifts to get anything new for the next two years.
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You might need to find a better way of getting new things...


Come to the UK Convention on the 23rd & 24th of October
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Posted: 11th Aug 2004 06:24 Edited at: 11th Aug 2004 06:26
I am saving for a $12000+ computer I have to sacrifice.

At the end of two years i should have $11960.

At minimum wage ($5.75/hour) 20 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, x 2 years.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2004 06:29
I have....

P4 3.0Ghz
1Gb ram
Radeon 9800pro 256mb

And I can run Doom 3 on high at 1024x768 with a constant 40-60 FPS!
Dont know what your problem is, is your card overclocked?

Guns arnt the problem, people are the problems, shoot all the people and guns arnt a problems anymore.
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Posted: 11th Aug 2004 10:45
Quote: "Dont know what your problem is"


That's because you didn't actually read any of the follow-up posts in this thread.

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