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HZence
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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 04:42
Hey all,

I have a friend who's finally getting broadband for his house, and he wants to network his computers. But it's a bit more tricky than that.

First of all, they're not all using the same Operating System. Secondly, they're not all PCs. Here's the situation as I understand it:

1. There will be [1] Mac computer running OS 8.6.
2. There will be [2] Computers running Windows 98 SE.

Wait, as if that wasn't bad enough, there's more!

1. The Mac computer will connect via ethrenet.
2. Both the PCs are wireless.

Can someone tell me how exactly one would go about setting this up? I'd assume you couldn't use a standard router; it'd probably have to be something Linux based, right?

Any help would be great. Thanks.


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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 04:53
I dont think there's a hub or router that handles both wireless and rj45

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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 05:46
Netgear has some that handle both.
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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 05:48
Quote: "I dont think there's a hub or router that handles both wireless and rj45"


I have one right here.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 05:54
As do I.
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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 05:58 Edited at: 17th Aug 2004 05:59
I have a router that runs my 2 PCs (Windows XP Home, Linux) via ethernet, and one that runs my Mac OS Panther (I think,whatever panther is, not my computer, i dont use macs) via wireless...

If thats what your getting at....

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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 06:08
TCP/IP is TCP/IP

Linksys wrt54G (which I have) has 4 wired ports and wireless G
my pcs and my wife's iBook and iMac all live happilly together


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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 06:27
Ethernet / Wireless / Twin-Ax (showing my age) / string between 2 cups - it's all irrelevant.

As Cow-person says, it's the protocol that counts, this is the bus that all the Wireless and Ethernet passengers sit on while the wheels go round and round.

I have a D-Link router with 4 standard ports and Wireless Super-G all in one.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 06:31
Well, not necessarily I've had a lot of trouble getting Windows machines to "see" Macs. It usualy depends on the OS but Windows machines don't seem to like Macintoshes yet most Macs have no problem seeing a Windows box (unless it's pretty old).
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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 06:34
Goth, not the point. tcp is tcp. If you want them to talk to eachother and share files for example, a win machine can deal nicely with a mac via AppleTalk and an open share. I do it all the time with my pc and wifes iBook. I can open my IIS server and she can browse my webhost no problem because http is http.


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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 08:24 Edited at: 17th Aug 2004 08:24
It's like a telephone. You can connect to any other phone because they all understand dialing tones, pick-ups and so on. But if you talk Swahili to a French man on your phone, you will get a short sharp "Zut Alor" but not much more.

Windows and Mac are 2 different languages, you need an interpreter somewhere in the middle.

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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 09:47
Ok, good, I see it's possible.

Now if anyone could give me hardware recommendations or a brief explanation of what to do, that'd be great.


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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 10:04
heh Linksys WRT54G
plug stuff in


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Posted: 17th Aug 2004 10:14
It shouldn't be that hard; the PC-mac barrier isn't as big as it's made out to be. Buy what Cattle recommended, plug it in, install it, it should work right off the bat. It's not like Macs aren't binary ...

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yes mac and windows both have the AppleTalk protocol which allows a mac and a pc to play nice


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Posted: 18th Aug 2004 08:11
Thank you, oh wonderous all-knowing Mouse.

@CR: Thanks, I'll look into it.


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Posted: 18th Aug 2004 12:58
I have pcs and macs networked at home for years.

I use a mac as a router tho using "ipnetrouter" and a 16 port hub.
so instead of a little box I have a whole computer acting as a router.

I installed a dlink 108 mpbs 4 port plus wireless at my last clients business and it was fairly straight forward activating the wireless component and setting up the ethernet.

with most new routers you need to access the ip address from a webpage on any machine thats connected to it. eg: http:192.168.0.1
then use a username :admin and password : admin.
change this as soon as you get it setup.

from here you can switch on and off the festures you need.


if your making your own ethernet cables and are trying to be neat by making a really small cable forget it. any cable shorter then about a meter just wont work due to the nature of ethernet.

I made about 3 short cables until a network guru told me that tidbit.




if your mac is osx and you want to file share then you need to issue the command from the go pull down menu smb://yourpcsipaddress.

in order for this to work you have to make a folder with full access on your pc shared and turn off your firewall.

if your on a mac with prior to osx eg: 9.2 / 9.1 / 8.6 / 8.5 you can use a program called "Dave".

both mac flavours of OS and pcs can all be set with ip adresses or set to dhcp. I prefer to have manual ip addresses for each time u want to file share u have to know the new ip with dhcp.

the macs control panel tcp prior to osx and network control panel in osx is where u set this information. the appletalk control panel needs to be set to ethernet as well in prior to osx Oses.




this link is for older mac setups.
http://www.homepcnetwork.com/pcmacp1s2f.htm

this link is for 9.1
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,479,00.asp

this link shows alternatives
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/macnpc.htm

this looks like a good webpage about the subject
http://www.kan.org/networking/quicknet.html



if you have mac disks like cdroms u want to open on your pc i use a program called tranzmac, it works very well as an alternative to networking large amounts of data because its a little quicker just to jam in the cdrom in your pc and copy the info.


hope that helps.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2004 16:43
Hmm...guess they do make em. i never heard of anyone combining them before so i didnt know.

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Posted: 18th Aug 2004 17:53
You can always do what i did. Get a wireless router and use it as a switch connected to the main router.

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