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Cian Rice
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Posted: 16th Sep 2004 11:22
I went to Izware to find out more about Mirai, from what I read I can see you have to pay, what I was wondering is, where can I purchase it, and how much does it cost. I want to use Mirai because it is alot like Wings, just it exports to .X and has animation.

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Cian Rice
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Posted: 16th Sep 2004 21:57
No one knows?

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Posted: 16th Sep 2004 23:39
i've no idea, never heard of it. i suggest you direct your questions to the contact form, i'm sure they'll be able to tell you how much it'll cost.

http://www.izware.com/forms/info-request-form.htm

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 00:16
The question is more, why do you want it?
iirc it cost £100, but that was back when NG were selling it, i've not since been able to get my hands on it since they changed hands.

Mirai is another one of those tools that quite frankly baffles me to why people want it.

not because it's bad, far from it... but more like.
Why do people insist on buying Ferraris when you can only do 1/5th of it's top speed and you'll never know how to properly drive it anyways?


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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 00:26
I have 3DS Max, and I can do a little texturing and animating with it, probably scratched about 3% of it's total functionality - enough to get by you might say.

Does'nt mean I should'nt have it or want it - the 3% might just be piss-in-the-pool to most users, but when it's not easily available elsewhere it's vital.


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Cian Rice
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 00:37
So does anyone know how much it costs exactly, I'm using Wings right just I'd like something like that with animation.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 02:09
£1,200 for 3D Studio Max, to do what?
Exactly what 3D UnWrap and Animation:Master provide you with for a combined £60...
(and yes they work almost identically to how Max does)

There are always more viable options out there, really if your not going to use these programs effectively then use something you will.
Else your spending cash on a brand name.

Well as I've said anyways 'Used to be £100', but that was 3years ago. Before it was associated with Harry Potter and LOTRs, so it could've rocketed.

At the end of the day you know the address of the developers and they have a contact plus order page... ASK THEM!
I mean jesus... they even have bloody forums to ask in!!


Cian Rice
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 02:13
So Mirai costs 60 pounds?

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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 02:29
I'm beginning to wonder about you Anime blood... Reading through this thread, I see no mention of £60 for Mirai. And btw, stop asking here what it costs and ask the creators.


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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 02:34
I'm too old to learn new animation methods! - CharacterFX is more my style, and I already use Lith, but for hierarchy animation Max is great, that's about the only reason I use it, and to make up the shortfal in Rhino's low poly features (like turning edges and welding properly). If I did'nt get Max through work, I doubt very much that I'd buy it, there are *as you said* cheaper options, and I am Scottish.


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Cian Rice
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 03:54
Raven mentioned the same affect as sixtypunds Jebus, so stop worrying, because you have no reasonto worry. And the info request is just about some stuff, there's no real contact forum.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 06:31
For animating, personally now I use Animanium... but for $5000 i doubt it's in your price range hehe

that aside, there is another tool us pros use which is called
Animation:Master, just do a google you'll find it.
the cheapest yet one of the most invaluable tools you can get.

well for now. ^_^


Cian Rice
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 06:34
Awww, that sucks. But, could I import a wings 3d model into Milkshape and exoport it to .X and then use Character FX?

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 06:42
why does no one want to animate in Milkshape?!?!
what the hell is wrong with it?


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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 06:47
I don't know, does Milshape animation work fine in DarkBASIC, cuz then I'll just use Milkshape to animate.

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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 06:48
I cant figure out how to animate in Milkshape :/


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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 09:55
Yeah, milkshape animation works fine and dandy in DB/DBP.
You just have to know to set it all up...

there are some read-me's about it on the site iirc


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Posted: 17th Sep 2004 09:59
Oh, okay, that works too.

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Posted: 18th Sep 2004 10:16
milkshape is my next big learning project.

I mostly do animations with movies.. but someday it might make sense to learn how to animate for a game

I looooove the feature list on milkshape.

Ack Thpppppt!

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Posted: 19th Sep 2004 06:34
About mirai , ive used this program for most of my latest models .
Its a pro modeling program and workin great with low poly modeling and in dbp . i dont know where you can buy it . cause i didnt .
but its a perfect program for game creations , much more better the ms3d . but ill stick to maya 6
Cian Rice
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Posted: 19th Sep 2004 06:57
You do realize that's pirating,or did some buy it for you?

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Posted: 19th Sep 2004 20:29
?

Mirai was during long time 6000$. It's there since long time.

Have been used in LOTR film, for Gollum, Treebeard and others. Is a kickass modelling package, wings adapted its modelling workflows. All apps are copying to day its edgeloops thing.

Has extremely good animation tools for characters. A high end tool.

bay raitts, is spelt so, is the author of the gollum thing. He uses thi spackages. Maya was used for the animations, as I read it in author's interview at AWN magazine.

Character Fx is superior in animation to Milkshape. Milkshape can't do vertex weights, actually. Something found in every high end package out tere (max having it both in skin modifier and character studio, XSI, Maya (wonderful paint weights feature), Lightwave, etc)

Character Fx allows handling directly in perspective, 3d view. Milkshape can't.

Those are two huge disadvantages.

BTW, Max, Mirai, Maya, XSI, Lightwave, are so much better than these tools. You can't compare.

Blender is a very good tool, and it's free. But the load of patience, brain skills, tricks (and some never fake the thing totally), needed...makes me only recommend it preventing people that a long read of teh doc is needed, and certain decission of dedicating to it months. I learnt it.

I have now XSI as I want mor epower. It's a royal dream. Even though this XSI Foundation 500$ version has some restrictions...(ie:funnily, I can do hair rendering for hi res movies with Blender, but is ripped from XSI cheapo version... XD )

Wings started as a clone of Nendo, nendo is a reduced evrsion of the modelling part of Mirai. but in the open source asnd totally generous BSD license. And it evolved to something imo better than Nendo. being now my favourite character modeller, counting high end apps in that , too.

mirai is such a kickass and serious tool.It even have 3d painting, a dreeamlike IK system, and many other amazing stuff.

It just was always to expensive and went like to asleep or out of business for years...but never died totally.IMO, when it was born, was actually years in advantage of technology with compared to other tools...Now other tools have evolved more, but if gollum's artist picked it, I hope it makes u think a bit... Those guys must get serious with their tools, I tell you.

http://www.freewebs.com/sysiphus/<--3d fight model there
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Posted: 20th Sep 2004 05:19
Uhm, the funny thing is, I doubt most people will be able to afford ANY of those programs. This is still mainly a hobbyist community, and people like cheap or free software (me included). I use Winds3D, it suits me down to the ground, because it does everything I want it to do. I also like MS3D, including its animation. There's no way I would dish out thousands of pounds to get functionality that I'll never, ever need in my current situation.

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Cian Rice
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Posted: 20th Sep 2004 05:30
Yeah, I was just hoping that there was a possibility that Mirai was cheap but since it's not I'll just stick with Wings and purchase MS3D.

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