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Cian Rice
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Really is there some explanation,
I mean think about it:
Windows XP
Xbox
Direct X
What's up with it does X have some sacred meaning to workers in Microsoft?

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2004 11:17
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Windows eXPerience
DirectX-Box
Direct Access (DirectXS)

god knows who said it but, the 'X' makes it cool.
That's really the whole point here.

like Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX, Fireworks MX, etc...
or Photoshop CS, ImageReady CS, Premier CS, etc...

the last few years aparently have been for the applications with little extras on the end. Like Softimage3D got a more industry orientated brother XSI, prize to the first user who can tell me what that actually stands for (it is REALLY annoyingly obvious and stupid)
but since has taken over the entire product line.

I mean it's like MX for Macromedia products, same damn meaning for everything really... We're kinda in the 'Experience' Era lol


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Mac OS X ring a bell ? It's just a trend. Has to do with X being a rare letter in the alphabet. Has been coming and going for decades.

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Me and my buddy were talking about this too, we think that Bill Gates got stoned and then named everything x. Maybe it's from those little image thing

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2004 11:31
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X in Macintosh's case actually makes sense...

Macintosh Operating System 10, roman letter for 10 being X
about the only damn one which isn't cashing in on it being cool.

Sides they're usually known under thier big-cat names. Which i think was a rather subtle and nice approach to the new architecture of the processors.
Big-Endian, Endian in some language (native american language iirc) is very close to the word Cat ... so they decided to call them after that.

Jaguar, Panther and now Tiger
totally useless fact lol but a rather whiley approach to naming.


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Quote: "about the only damn one which isn't cashing in on it being cool."


Yeah, I figure it does make since, but it is undoubtedly cashing in on it too. The day Steve Jobs doesn't cash in on an opportunity I'll smoke a stick of dynamite.

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lol, why would they need to cash in on it?
ever seen the price of MacOSX, heh and i thought RedHat were taking the piss on thier Linux 10.x Series.


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what about x windows from linux
and yes i do think the x at the end makes names sound cooler

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2004 11:54
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I always thought the X in DirectX was using it as if it was an algebra letter in Maths, i.e. x usually denotes an unknown variable. DirectX is a package that includes Direct3D, DirectPlay, DirectMusic, etc. Hence, X = 3D, Play, or Music. Made sense to me.


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X11 (XFree86 version 11) is a Windowing System for Linux.
it is called that because it is a play on intel 386 (x86 Architecture) which commonly is Windows domain.

Nah, DirectX itself is Microsoft's biggest hack for a problem they caused in the bloody first place.
It also only originally covered 3D/2D, the rest of the jazz came along in v3 which was used for Games.

DirectX gave back to developers what they'd lost original, Direct Access to the Hardware.
Microsoft have alot to answer for over Windows 95.

just a good thing that almost a decade on we're FINALLY free of everything that Windows 95 gave us.
DirectX has now been completely rewritten so that it doesn't just do the job it was originally a hack for, but actually replaces the entire driver system.
Windows itself is now on the stable NeTwork kernel.
We're almost finally free of that damn aweful FAT System!

lol, i mean you look back and it's really amazing to think how much Windows has actually evolved from that very first 32bit version.


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Microsoft CE
Microsoft ME
Microsoft NT

They obviously went to the X model coz the other one was causing
that rather unfortunate naming convention..

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2004 12:22 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2004 12:24
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You also forgot Xenix which was Microsoft's version of Unix.

Quote: "it is called that because it is a play on intel 386 (x86 Architecture) which commonly is Windows domain."

That's completely and utterly wrong. It's called X because the windowing system it was based on was called W (X follows W in the alphabet and W follows V which was the name of the OS W was originally designed for at Stanford before being ported to Unix).
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Maybe corporations think the world is filled with decendents of pirates, and X marks the spot. The spot being their product which will make them money that is buried within our pockets, and the occasional few users will be able to dig under that X and make a tresure of their own.
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Posted: 22nd Sep 2004 12:38 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2004 12:38
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lol

X marks the spot for computer software pirates.

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dont forget MS's coming XNA


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Maybe now they'll make a DOOM X, or a Halo X. or a Sunday Drivers X

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Quote: " dont forget MS's coming XNA"

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Quote: "Windows itself is now on the stable NeTwork kernel"


I though NT stood for New Technology? I read it somewhere, something about "NT Technology" being one of those stupid phrases like "PIN number" or "ATM machine"


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well technically it actually means Network Terminal, because that's what it was ment for.

Windows 3.11 Network Terminal, was the first then followed 3.51 which introduced the NTFS (but still very much 16bit)

so it kinda just kept the name even when it jumped to 32bit in NT 4.0... i'm not exactly in what way NT and 9x differ, but they did to an extent.
Then again they're also relatively the same to an extent.

The whole Windows 4.x Series confuses me to be honest.
but anyways that's where the name NT stems from


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Ah, okay, that makes more sense


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Quote: " well technically it actually means Network Terminal, because that's what it was ment for."

Sorry, Raven but that's two erroneous facts in one thread. While most MS publications refer to the NT standing for "New Technology" Microsoft employees have said that there was no meaning behind the NT (the project was started with IBM to create NT OS/2 which eventually became OS/2 3.0 and was never released) and Microsoft hasn't officially stated that it stands for anything. Also, "Network Terminal" has never been used as a definition for NT in any official or even semi-official literature, in fact I've never heard of it being called that ever.
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NT = New Technology. No if, an's, or but's. They never had a name "Network Terminal".

It was just a description of 3.11 that it was "network compatible". Never had any special names. Windows NT is new technology. It was thier flagship OS, supposed to be the "Next big thing". Thus it coveted the name NT. NT was made for all of the new things they we're implementing into the OS.

NTFS is also a "New Technology File System." NT has never stood for NeTwork anything raven. Please take a history class, or an A+ class or something.

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Ah ha! so i was right!


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http://photomatt.net/2003/02/09/nt-stands-for/

Quote: " It is popularly believed that Dave Cutler intended the initialism "WNT" as a pun on VMS, incrementing each letter by one; while this would have suited Cutler's humor, the project's earlier name of NT OS/2 belies this theory. Another of the original OS/2 3.0 developers, Mark Lucovsky, states that the name was taken from the Intel i860 processor—code-named "N-Ten"—which served as the original target hardware. Various Microsoft publications expand NT to "New Technology", but officially the letters stand for nothing"

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT_3.1

Quote: "Please take a history class, or an A+ class or something."

Or better yet just stop making stuff up.


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Posted: 22nd Sep 2004 15:23 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2004 15:24
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lol, well nothing works. But unofficially most people (and my A+ book by Cisco a netowrking company) describe it as new technology.

Quote: "Or better yet just stop making stuff up."


LoL, true dat

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Oh, so I wasn't right


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Quote: "Dave Cutler intended the initialism "WNT" as a pun on VMS"

That's actually an old Usenet joke from back in the day and not true. The NT was added when it was still OS/2 so the W (standing for Windows) doesn't make a heck of a lot of sence. ALthough, VMS and NT are very similar in many regards.
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Well flibble, in a real world sense, yes you we're right. In a microsofts confusing life sense, no you we're wrong.

I am sure that NT will eventually adapt the "New Tech" tagline though. Although i just looked inside the book, and its funny. They say "Windows NT, in its time, was a new technology." So obviously its just assumed, cause its new, and has a abbreviation NT, give it New tech .

But i am pretty sure NTFS is New TEchnology File System, everyone is pretty specific on that.

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I'd like to point out some humour though :

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=WINDOWS+NT

Now something interesting:

http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/13461/13461.html

Kinda funny, we have every meaning but--- RAVENS

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Quote: "Kinda funny, we have every meaning but--- RAVENS"

Network Terminal makes sence in a way. NT despite being the buggiest most horrible OS I've ever had the (dis)pleasure of working with was good when it came to connecting to different machines on a network and doing stuff on them. However, when you say an acronym stands for something you usually want to say something that is at least close to being what it really is... I mean, I can't find ANY reference anywhere online where NT is refered to as "Network Terminal" so Raven had to have made that up.
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Quote: "Microsoft CE
Microsoft ME
Microsoft NT"


Haha, lol. Very good

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the x is to remind you what to click once u open up an app, in a kind of "stop, turn around, leave" kind of way. it stops you from having troubles later on, such as BSoD's etc...

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Quote: "Network Terminal makes sence in a way. NT despite being the buggiest most horrible OS I've ever had the (dis)pleasure of working with was good when it came to connecting to different machines on a network and doing stuff on them. However, when you say an acronym stands for something you usually want to say something that is at least close to being what it really is... I mean, I can't find ANY reference anywhere online where NT is refered to as "Network Terminal" so Raven had to have made that up."


There is also no *official* reference on the Microsoft site that XP stands for Experience.
I've heard it called Network Terminal and Network Addition since the early 90s by alot of admins who were using it, whether that is what the internet wishes to believe it being called or it's official designation i don't know or particularly care.

The way i see it, is goto microsoft.com/ntserver and just look at how everything is described and named.

See there is a big gaping hole with what those sites on the net call it.
a/ New Technology... problem being that technically 3.11 was the first NT, and it was by no means new technology just an update to add Workgroup/Server control to 3.1 (which is the ancestor of 95 not NT)... this is further shown by the fact that 3.51 was basically 3.11 with a few new features. Not new, not revolutionary, especially not against the brand new 32bit DirectX toting Windows 95.

b/ N-Ten... because of the i810 N10 Chip, anyone see the two most major flaws with this? I'm sure given time of real research rather than trying to show me up you might see the glaring problems.

it is likely the NT stands for nothing and what i've come to know it as from the Admin community is different to what the Uni community (who lets be honest are the ones who essentially write up these descriptions) know.
So while you can say 'well Raven made it up', the fact that Microsoft themselves do not say, would also indicate that somewhere along the lines those other variations are made up too.

If that is the case, what the hell are you idiots trying to prove?
You want to know the definitive answer on it ask bloody Microsoft.


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Quote: " well technically it actually means Network Terminal, because that's what it was ment for."


Actually, I was taught in my Windows NT 4.0 university class many years ago that New Technology is the name of the company that originally engineered the "technology" used in NT. Microsoft purchased the technology (and the company itself) and started using the name NT.

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Raven ~ Some stupid made up fact to try and sound clever.

Everyone else ~ Thats wrong

Raven ~ No it isn't. Tries to reinforce "fact" with more rubbish.

Everyone else ~ Look at all this links to sites that agree with us, there are loads of them and some are even contain quotes from people directly envolved.

Raven ~ I don't care, I am right and the internet is wrong. The internet is written by people that don't know anything anyway. All my friends agree with me.

Everyone else ~


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Raven, when you say:
Quote: " well technically it actually means Network Terminal, because that's what it was ment for."

That is taken to mean it's fact ("well technically it actually...") when obviously it isn't. When you say something's fact you should make sure it is.

Quote: "a/ New Technology... problem being that technically 3.11 was the first NT, and it was by no means new technology just an update to add Workgroup/Server control to 3.1 (which is the ancestor of 95 not NT)... this is further shown by the fact that 3.51 was basically 3.11 with a few new features. Not new, not revolutionary, especially not against the brand new 32bit DirectX toting Windows 95."

The New Technology part could be because it was it's own kernal and not a pseudo-shell on top of DOS. Since it was redesigned as a micro-kernel it could be made to run easily on many different architectures unlike earlier Windows and 9x. The numbering scheme was kept for consistency with Windows 3.1.

Quote: "b/ N-Ten... because of the i810 N10 Chip, anyone see the two most major flaws with this? I'm sure given time of real research rather than trying to show me up you might see the glaring problems."

Yes, you should do some real reasearch. Mark Lucovsky, one of the original developers, is the one who said that it was named after the chip.
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Raven, that's called a straw man argument, and it's a logical fallacy. I would expect you'd be more familiar with them by now. Cutting the crap out of your post (most of it), you're simply saying that Microsoft never officialy said anything. We know that. It was already posted. Then you say it stands for nothing, directly contradicting what you said earlier. You say that for vague reasons the ideas that have evidence behind them don't make sense. Perhaps you should actually read the articles that were already linked to. Even if we do shut down the 'common sense' and 'formal logic' sections of our brains and take your ersatz reasoning for being sound, you've done nothing but disprove what you said earlier.

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Quote: "ersatz logic"

Haven't heard that phrase in a while. But it fits.

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Ah, just edited to remove redundancy of the term -- but thank you. It's not often you get to use a word that ends with a tz, is it? I suppose I should thank Raven for the opportunity

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LoL @ Ersatz reasoning

Well i think what i want to say has been say, except:

This topic shall get added to the collection along with "copy written".

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Actually, I wouldn't trust anything from the Wikipedia encyclopedia. A few weeks ago there was a test where false information was purposely put in to see if the editors were checking. The false info was left in permanently. It's a collaboration of information that anybody and their dog can alter--- not very stable if you ask me

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so, if the X makes some cool or intresting. How come XXX is always "not my style"? Shouldn't it be "COOOOOL"?

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Quote: " so, if the X makes some cool or intresting. How come XXX is always "not my style"? Shouldn't it be "COOOOOL"?"


XXX is porn over here... dunno about you dutchies though


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No, you dont get it Porn = XXX here too

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Soon there will be Zbox, Windows ZX, Direct Z, and god knows what.

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Well, while i was gone, i had a friend ask MS support online:

Response from Microsoft
9/22/2004 5:56:25 PM



A new Windows XP Chat Session has started.
The Windows XP Chat Session has been accepted.

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:47:46 AM]

{Colin Watson} hello

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:47:47 AM]

{Kim E.} Thank you for using Microsoft Windows XP Chat Support. My name is Kimberly. May I address you as Colin? (Yes or No please)

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:47:52 AM]

{Colin Watson} yes

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:48:23 AM]

{Colin Watson} well.. i was wondering what "NT" stands for

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:48:31 AM]

{Kim E.} Thanks Colin. Just to make sure I have the correct information so I can send you a summary of our chat session today, I show your email address as *************** . Is this correct?

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:48:37 AM]

{Colin Watson} yes

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:49:02 AM]

{Kim E.} We normally have to verify a bunch of information but is all you want to now what NT stands for

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:49:11 AM]

{Colin Watson} yes

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:49:27 AM]

{Kim E.} New Technology

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:49:51 AM]

{Kim E.} Is that all you needed?

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:50:15 AM]

{Colin Watson} but, all the a+ books and such i have used, only refer the "NTFS" as New Technology, and the rest just say "Windows NT" the NT stands for nothing

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:50:24 AM]

{Colin Watson} and some say it is for the N-Ten processer

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:51:03 AM]

{Kim E.} no

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:51:49 AM]

{Kim E.} a new file system ntfs as not the old fat file system

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:51:51 AM]

{Kim E.} ?

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:52:19 AM]

{Kim E.} but the NT does stand for New Technology

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:53:10 AM]

{Kim E.} ok

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:53:12 AM]

{Colin Watson} Thank you im satisfied

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:53:18 AM]

{Colin Watson} that will be all

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:53:27 AM]

{Kim E.} Thank you for using Windows XP Chat Support today Colin, I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:53:54 AM]

{Kim E.} I will change your case to non decrement so it does not count as a used case

{Colin Watson} [9/22/2004 10:54:05 AM]

{Colin Watson} ok

{Kim E.} [9/22/2004 10:54:55 AM]

{Kim E.} Well Colin, it’s been my pleasure to assist you on this issue today and I will send you an e-mail summary of our chat session for your records. If the status of your issue changes, please don’t hesitate to contact us again, referencing your case number, SRZ*********** . If I do not hear from you within 24 hours though, I will close this case at that time .

The customer has ended the chat session.



LoL i love there automated answers. But in there eyes NT is new tech, and the indian person who was on the other side was only told to say that .

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I'd say X is the first letter that pops up in your mind as you can see my website is X-For-All which thats the first thing that popped up in my head (the second thing was marcusoft)

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My new theory for what NT stands (and putting aside all the facts):
The release year Ninety Three. Originally the dev team wanted to use the letters of the year they started rewriting the API for Windows: Ninety One. But the marketing department vehemently disagreed.

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hey, i didn't read what everybody posted up there (sorry) but i think it's becaue they're mostly targeting "generation X" like most companies are because you all are the upcomming thing and working so hard they know you have the money that they want. and after all, this is the future right? i mean, we are finally in a new milinneum. that's just been my take on things. thanx for starting the post anime blood, it's a good one

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