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The Nerd
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Hi


as the there stand im making a project in school about the first game in the world, the first 3d game, and the first computer.
And i need some help on that.
I have searched on google and i have found all kind of good information but i still need help that i havent found on it.

Here is some questions :


1. What was the first computer game on earth?

2. what was the first 3d game on earth?

3. What was the first computer on eart?

also it could be nice if some of you guys know good links to websites about all kind of information about computer history.


it could be nice to get some help because i really need to to this.





kind regards

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Ok...

1. The first videogame was called 'Tennis For Two' and was played on a lab osciliscope, it's really just pong though - which was the first videogame system that you could play on a TV, really the start of it all. The original tennis game was invented by William Higinbotham.

2. I'm not sure, there was Battlezone, which is probably as old as you can get for vector 3D - however a real old Spectrum game called 'I of the Mask' is arguably the first solid 3D game, created by Sandy White, the genius behind AntAttack.

3. An abacus (honestly)


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3. the abacus - that's what I also wanted to say (at least that's what I learned in Computing sciences)

Now just some humour :


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Isn't a person who does calculations a computer (ie someone who computes)
If so then Adams your man (and Eve was the first bug )


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Elite was the first Vector 3D game (Battlezone was the second but the same guys)


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Posted: 5th Nov 2004 23:15 Edited at: 5th Nov 2004 23:18
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Behave Raven, Battlezone was a vector based arcade cabinet.

ELITE is a computer game written by David Braben.

There is no correlation, I know you love nothing more than proving people wrong - but you should really think twice when dealing with me - I'm rarely wrong (j/k).


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@Van B: You watch little britain? Lol.. (judging by the "Its crap being the only coder in the vilage")

Technically there have never been any TRUE 3D Games as screens have always been 2D Hehe.. Unless there are some projection based ones I am unaware of.

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There was that hologram game back in the 70s... hmm can't remember it's name.

Battlezone was by David Brahbam & Ian Bell too though , was release on the home computers as well as arcade machines.
definately wasn't the first.


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Posted: 5th Nov 2004 23:38 Edited at: 5th Nov 2004 23:40
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Raven,
Battlezone was not written by the Elite boys, it was the first 3D game, and no I don't expect you to admit I'm right.

Trust me on this - I remember the freakin machine - I was alive at the time. It was released in about 1980 - Elite was released in about 1984.

The hologram game, I have no idea - maybe that weird round cabinet with the funny lens on top - sorta like Dragons Lair. It was more like the early 90's than the 70's .


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hum hum .... you're all wrong .... his question was "what was the first 3d game on earth ?" and not "what was the first 3d computer-game on earth ?"

You see, there is a whole difference.

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Battlezone was an arcade cabinet.

Nick,
Yeah, Lil' Britain rocks. There was a documentary on earlier this week about the real little Britain, with a real 'only gay in village' dude - it's pretty spooky sometimes how accurate the mad characters often are . I put that there because I don't know any other programmers, or even any other serious PC users in my home town.


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I remember playing Battlezone long before I got my Spectrum. Elite on the Spectrum came out a year or 2 after I bought my Spectrum. So battlezone was out way before Elite on Speccy.
But I know the first version of Elite was on BBC micro which I don't know when came out.


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Here's a little powerpoint presentation I found, has a general history of 3D games.

www.cms.livjm.ac.uk/library/CMPSEM022-03-04/ Seminar1-SEM022/Seminar1-D3D9.ppt

Ian Bell made a battlezone clone after Elite, only on the NES, and with no publisher - apparantly emulators can't run it though - I imagine a cartridge version would be the crem-blahblahblah of collectable NES roms.


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Hehe cheers!, it's been a long day .


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can't view PPT unless you fancy sending me powerpoint
i did find a site that declared it a 1980 game; somehow i'm skeptical, especially as they gave the release of elite as 1985, when it came out 82 BBC, 83 almost everything else.

i know damn well there were holographic arcade games in the 70s, because it caused quit a stir at the time...
one was the rare dog fighter one where your planes were in a 3D globe and the other was an atari machine.

it was what inspired the creation of the handheld Atari Cosmos (holographic handheld '83)


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Raven just give it a rest.

Van B's obviously right.
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Battlezone was the first true 3D game, but you might want to check this link

http://www.digibarn.com/collections/games/xerox-maze-war/


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I played a holographic game way back when at an obscure arcade in Kamloops. It was a time-travelling story with full-motion video. Sad to say that it was very crappy and the scenes were only a few inches high as far as I can remember.


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Quote: "3. What was the first computer on eart?"

I don't think there are any computers on Eart.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


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Quote: "I played a holographic game way back when at an obscure arcade in Kamloops. It was a time-travelling story with full-motion video. Sad to say that it was very crappy and the scenes were only a few inches high as far as I can remember."


Yeah that was by Sega - and utter pants it was too but quite fascinating for the time. I think it was actually called Time Traveller.

It's not the same as Dragon's Lair which was a laserdisc game, not holographic (it was flat 2D). The Sega games were properly created holograms (little moving characters projected onto a flat surface, sort of like the chess scene in Star Wars, but no-where near as convincing).

Battlezone was created by Morgan Hoff (project lead) and programmed by Ed Rotberg. It was released into the arcades in November 1980 and the US army loved it so much they commisioned a customised version of it for tank training ahhh, such a classic game.

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Here's The first computer game ever!

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=39875&b=2

I had a power point project a while back too, on the history of computers. I did a four page essay on it also; It was actually interesting, which kept me going!

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say the first game was Codename Gordan, the first 3D game was Half Life, and the first computer was yours.

Here's your argument...

Fist comp...

That you every used.

First Game...

That you ever played.

First 3D game...

That matters.

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Quote: "Unless there are some projection based ones I am unaware of."


I doubt this has been mentioned but a while back (2002 i think) there was a project to make a physical version of UT2003 - you run around with a visual mask thingy and the bots are stuck on that and you actually play...sort of like planet laser but against a computer. However, all I saw was a tiny picture of a metal frame holding computery stuff and a room for playing in. Also that could have been another game

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[url:http://www.fourmilab.ch/babbage/]The First Computer[/url]

Acctually, the first computer was made by Charles Babbage.

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I'd have to agree it was Battle Zone. You could always go for something else like Red Baron (made by atari), or mention the Vectrix machine which gave you some 3d games.

I found out Battlezone was
Quote: "the first arcade-inspired military combat computer simulator"
from http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:xFpUHb3VIHsJ:www.zophar.net/articles/art_14-2.html+government+3d+vector+graphics+before+battlezone&hl=en


Something about vector graphics made a big hype. If you think about it though, it's still on a monitor. So it ain't 3D. It just tricks your eyes. So any game pre-dating Battlezone with a background and a foreground could be 3D.

Check the site out. It goes back to 1962, the first arcade game costing alot of money. You could always just mention Quake? that features 3D models...

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http://members.iinet.net.au/~dgreen/

1940's.. these computers could store figures and add them together.

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Interestingly enought, BattleZone was also the first game to use the first-person perspective.

And all along, I thought it was Doom 3 (j/k)


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the fisrt computer game i think of as pong
the first 3D computer game i think to be Doom (but it isn't )
the first computer is something that will do calculations with human imput and return an answer. For example an abacus but 10 stones on a surface could be considered as a computer (move seven to the right and there are 3 left: 10-7=3) etc

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LOL spot all the kids who think Doom is the first 3D game (even though they know it isn't).

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too many, i dont know any 3D games before it and it was the...second 3D game i played so it ranks up there in my mind

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I think we need definitions from the thread creator into what he/she actually means by:

* Computer
* 3D Game
* Game

As has been said, there is no real rule that says a computer must be CPU and electric based (eg abacus).. But his project may mean first electric computer, etc.
As for games, the first game was probably two ameba chasing each other in some primordial soup somewhere!! (Assuming life began on this eart).
As for 3D Games, again does he mean 3D hardware accelerated, or what? Vector? Layered sprites?

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Quote: "* Computer
* 3D Game
* Game"


The first computer something like today's computers.
The first game to render(in any way) 3D graphics at at least 1 fpm.
The first electronic game.

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Well, Babbage made th first computer, but it didn't work because there was no electricity, and years after somebody used the idea he had and it worked.

@N30F15H: I think that was this thing called PASCAL. No, not the computer language, it was something PASCAL himself created I believe.

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And the first computer programmer was a woman. Aida Lovelace, Babbage's hottie assistant.

EDIT:

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Quote: "popups asking a user/pass for dn3k.net?"


On afew threads yes.

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Mister Mold Rats Sig and Avatar actually.


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I still don't see how Battlezone was the first; really never struck me as a 3D game even slightly until it's 90s remake.
even still, i'm going to find this orb hologram game; cause i know damn well that was the first; not just 3d but true 3d.

your also going to have to really think about what is ment by 3D;
cause it all pans down to definition.

while vector graphics are interesting, Quake would've been the first *real* 3D game on the computer. Mechwarrior 2 the first *real* 3D Accelerator game.

i can't believe no one else remember this orb hologram thing; it was a simple dog fighter game. always wanted to play it ever since i heard of it, but just disappeared in the 90s. or atleast news about it did.

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Why would Quake be the first *real* 3D game on the comp? Is it because the players and enemies were modelled in 3D? If so, then I agree it's the first game to do that.

Battlezone is *definitely* 3D:






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Until games actually create the environment and enemies from raw carbon - any game that looks 3D and allows 3D movement can be considered a 3D game. We can't dismiss something just because it used old technology.


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Just read up on 1up and it appears that the first game was called battleZone, don't know if this was already mentioned.

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LMAO!!!

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