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Shadow Robert
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heh, well maybe not... but it is an interesting point to think about.

was talking to my brother alot of this morning about who he's voting for in a few months, typical teen he hasn't thought about it at all. but we got to talking about problems seen in the country as it is; international relations, conflicts, nhs, taxes, etc...

well it would be interesting to switch jobs to politics, i mean no one here can really dispute that i don't have the attitude or certain pinash for the style of job, heh

thing was talking about everything, made me realise. there is alot that could be resolved in this country; or rather lay down the trackroads for the next term. provided there was a good team there who shared a similar passion for actually fixxing things rather than just trying to change the country for thier own benifits.

would like to see others thoughts on what they feel is wrong with the UK (aside from it not being lead by the Scottish/Welsh/Irish )

heh you watch, end up being backed by and oil or some company who wants rights in the middle-east; and end up winning cause i'm the only candidate who isn't pushing his retirement age


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You'd make a better politician than coder.

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Raveeeen, stop spamming . Nah only kidding, I just can't think of anything constructive to type at this moment in time.

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Quote: " You'd make a better politician than coder. "

Agreed. But even politicians need to get things done at some point.


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Van-B's imagining the Jeremy Paxman vs Raven interview - and the resulting woodland burial .


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Posted: 6th Nov 2004 02:25 Edited at: 6th Nov 2004 02:33
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I just got a sudden erge to watch the "Did you threaten to fire him" interview with Micahel Howard.

Where can I download that?

I'll search high and low....

EDIT _________________________

There's a video on bbc.co.uk but I can't get it to work.
For all you Americans, Michael Howard is leader of the Conservatives.

Here's a transcript:

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you threaten to overrule him ? (1)

Howard. I . . I . . was not entitled to INSTRUCT Derek Lewis, and I did not instruct him.

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you threaten to overrule him ? (2)

Howard. The truth of the matter is that Mr Marriot was not suspended. I . .

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you threaten to overrule him ? (3)

Howard. . . . did not . .overrule Derek Lewis.

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you THREATEN to overrule him ? (4)

Howard. I took advice on what I could or could not do . .

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you threaten to overrule him Mr Howard ? (5)

Howard. . . and I acted scrupulously in accordance with that advice, I did NOT overrule Derek Lewis . .

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you threaten to overrule him ? (6)

Howard. . . Mr Marriot was NOT suspended.

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you threaten to overrule him ? (7)

Howard. (pauses). I have accounted for my decision to dismiss Derek Lewis . .

Paxman. (Interrupting) Did you threaten to overrule him ? (8)

Howard. . . in GREAT detail, before the House of Commons . .

Paxman. (Interrupting) I note that you're not answering the question of whether you THREATENED to overrule him. (9)

Howard. Well, the important aspect of this which is very clear to bear in mind . .

Paxman. (Interrupting) I'm sorry, I'm going to be frightfully rude, I'm sorry, but it's a straight yes or no question which requires a straight yes or no answer. Did you threaten to overrule him ? (10)

Howard. I discussed this matter with Derek Lewis. I gave him the benefit of my opinion. I gave him the benefit of my opinion in strong language. But I did not instruct him because I was not ENTITLED to instruct him, I was entitled to express my opinion, and that is what I did.

Paxman. With respect, that is NOT answering the question of whether you THREATENED to overrule him. (11)

Howard. It's dealing with the relevant point, which is what I was entitled to do and what I was not entitled to do, and I have dealt in detail with this before the House of Commons and before the Select Committee.

Paxman. With respect, you haven't answered the question of whether you THREATENED to overrule him. (12)

Howard. Well you see . . the question is what was I entitled to do and what was I not entitled to do. I was not entitled to instruct him, and I did not do that.

Paxman. Uh . . we'll leave that aspect there.
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i really don't see the problem with politians to be honest...
it's like they'll make a decision then feel they need to bury it, rather than stick by it.

heh, would love to have a discussion with paxman or little.
personally i'm curious to who could actually get the upper hand, and i do like a challenge


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Quote: "i'm curious to who could actually get the upper hand"


Paxman.
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Quote: "i really don't see the problem with politians to be honest..."

Yeah, it's the politicians we have to watch out for.

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You know, we should have a forum election! That'd be fun. Either have a president of the whole board, or of a single area of the board...
Then the winner of each election gets a "President" title under his/her name and they can have a Vice, and they'll have "Vice President"....

That'd be a fun thing to do actually, all the campaigning.. all the baby kissing... all the cat tossing...

I'll run! VOTE CATS! (me)


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Then launch a pre-emtive attack on Blitz forums.


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No.


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Never.


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till wednesday

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Quote: "That'd be a fun thing to do actually, all the campaigning.. all the baby kissing... all the cat tossing..."


What a great idea............can you imagine all the spamming that would occur, the runners will probably be banned before the results are in .


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Well, I firmly believe the Blitz forum is with-holding information on thier SMI (Spammers of Mass Ignorance); I think we need to take action before it is too late!

And if i'm wrong, then it was my advisor' (Puffy) idea.


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Quote: "Well, I firmly believe the Blitz forum is with-holding information on thier SMI (Spammers of Mass Ignorance); I think we need to take action before it is too late!

And if i'm wrong, then it was my advisor' (Puffy) idea."


They are a threat to our security. They can launch a spam attack within 45 minutes.

It is our moral duty to invade them, and liberate those poor innocent forum members from the evil regime.

Who is with us?

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this reminds me of something

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Vote Ali
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Vote Nukesoft

For a better future!
In Programming!

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A new revolution of programming is ahead of you!

- But wait a minute, Ali, would you promise that all?

Well of course! I promise Everything in programming!

Those who think I'm wrong, you are wrong!
So for a better future in programming, Vote Ali!

Don't forget the 3 Vs!

Vote Ali!
Vote Soldier!
Vote Nukesoft!

If you vote, you are fellow man/woman! And I would promise not to criticise peoples programming,
first time or if just need help, feel free to ask anytime! you'll find me in the general talk and click the Forum Post called 'Nukesoft Programming Future - A better revolution!' and join the good friends!

So, for a better programming future,

Vote Ali
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Two words. Edit button.

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i would have said shut and up, but edit button is fine.


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Answering the original post...

There are lots of things wrong with this country. The education system sucks. Most of the laws are screwed up. Logic and reasoning is out of the window, and the politicians seem to care more about the people of Iraq than they do for the average Brit.

Time to expand...

Education:
I remember my English class, I spent 2 years of GCSE English trying to analyse poems for hidden meanings when i would much rather have learnt how to write a report or even a letter. I have to get my parents help with writing because I was never taught proper grammar or even spelling for hat matter. In maths I spent my years up to GCSE exams learning really basic stuff, just touching algebra. I go an A. Then I went into A-level maths and was hit with differentiation of trig equations within a year. I ended up failing. At the end of my GCSE's I had no idea what I wanted to be, and after my A-levels I had even less idea.

Laws:
I could break into someone’s house steal loads of belongings and on my way out trip on something left on the stairs. I could then sue for personal injury. How screwed up is that. I can’t remember off my head what the minimum sentence is for a murderer (good behaviour), but it is no way enough. Rapists and Pedo’s need longer sentences with mental help and evaluations as well.

General:
The teenagers of this county are causing chaos, vandalising everything they come across. They smoke, take drugs and have underage sex. I think the UK has the highest teenage pregnancy rate I Europe if not he world. When they are questioned about what they do they say they have nothing to do, they are bored. I have to admit I have felt he same many times. But I just play games like a sad git. What are needed are FREE recreational centres. One of the issues I’ve had is money; I never have enough money to go out and socialise with friends, whether it is the cinema, bowling, paintball etc… and even worse is getting there. My parents are too busy earning money to pay for a roof and food, so they can’t take me 5 miles into town.

There are many more points I could make but I feel I have commented on the ones I feel matter most.

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What board did you do for your GCSEs?!?

That sounds nothing like the education I've had. By law you have to have one hour of literacy a day from 5 years old. There should have been plenty of time to learn spelling and grammar.

For my GCSE half the paper was writing. In this you specifically had to be able to write a letter, a speech, a report or an arcticle.

Quote: "In maths I spent my years up to GCSE exams learning really basic stuff, just touching algebra. I go an A. Then I went into A-level maths and was hit with differentiation of trig equations within a year"


Just touching algebra? What? Algebra is GCSE maths. Equations of lines, quadratic equations, inqualities, rearraging equations, proving indentites... everything is frickin' Algebra.

C1 is basically just the same as GCSE so you're clearly wrong about just being hit with a tsunami of calculus etc. There's no calculus on the first module. Also - "within a year" ? I bloody well hope they cover differentiation within a year.

Quote: "I could break into someone’s house steal loads of belongings and on my way out trip on something left on the stairs. I could then sue for personal injury"


No you couldn't. Philip will have the last say on that but I'm 99% sure that is wrong.

Quote: "The teenagers of this county are causing chaos, vandalising everything they come across. They smoke, take drugs and have underage sex."


I find that exceptionally insulting. I hope you take it back.

Quote: "What are needed are FREE recreational centres"


Like parks? Yeah. We have them already. We also have free youth clubs.
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I dont remember being taught literacy. all i remember was having to read poems and read macbeth. OK i had to write essays about them, but i found essay writing hard. Anyone know what an adverb is? i dont, i was never taught.

The point about the maths was that it took 16 years to get onto algebra, then within half a year expect us to be able to differentiate. how is anyone supposed to learn that much in one year

(hold on, just getting example from book)

cosec(x)+tan(x)
sinx

(and thats one of the easy ones!)

i mean, its stupid to expect anyone to be able to do that with only a year passing since taking exams where (x^2+2x+4=0 find x) was the most difficult question. GCSE algebra is the most basic algebra that can be taught. Like i said GCSE touches algebra.

as for the accident at someons home thing. someone did break into a house but slipped on the kitchen floor and landed on an open dishwasher which had knives pointing up. The owner was done for manslaughter and neglect. I remember reading that one in the paper.

teenagers:

ok i obviously didn't mean ALL teenagers, but a damn scary percentage. Im only 19, and i see them every day in my village and in bolton. when i go to my mates house i expect to see some waiting at a bus stop, smoking a fag, waiting for someone to insult. Either that or to ask to go into the off licence to buy alcohol for them. and this is supposed to be a quiet village. i walked up one day and noticed the rubbish bin had been burned. One of the scariest experiences of my life was being on a bus when someone set off a firework. the whole buss was filled with smoke and scared people.

free recreaional cetres: i have never seen one. i would love somewhere i could go play table tennis, pool, snooker, arcade games etc... for FREE, and also in a clean and safe environment. maybe with free transport there and back.

one other problem with this country is the ammount of personal injury claims. it is really damaging the economy, and the only reason people make these claims is greed.
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Quote: "free recreaional cetres: i have never seen one. i would love somewhere i could go play table tennis, pool, snooker, arcade games etc... for FREE, and also in a clean and safe environment. maybe with free transport there and back."


we used to have one in Abbots when i was growing up... used to watch all of the latest horror flicks like Kids Play there
was awesome, but that was back when the village was a nice place; after it was trashed and robbed like 5x, the organisers gave up.

now the building is just a graphitti wall.
that's what alot of this countries teens are amounting too; and if they're not like that in your area, then quite frankly you must be in some time that land forgot.. because i've yet to visit an area where there aren't teens like that.


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Pretty much every church has a free youth club with ping pong, snooker etc. That's a clean and safe enviroment.

Other than that there are special programs but they're mainly in the big cities.

I don't understand if you're saying the GCSE should be harder or the A level should be easier. The example you gave isn't acutally a question but it's not that difficult. I mean, you're going to have to learn hard maths some time on the course, and they've got a fair amount to fit in.

I think making A levels a lot easier would anger a lot of people.

I seriously doubt you didn't do any algerbra until 16. You do realise that is the final year of GCSEs. I probably did my first equations ( 2x = 8 ) at about 11. I think they're on the national curriculum.

Of course you're going to get little gangs of skivs whereever you go (whatever country as well) but just ignore them. I think there's a misguided conception that inner city kids are the majority when they're acutally more people who live in the country. Well not the country as such but out of the big cites.

That is not the hardest equation you have to do at GCSE. Paper 2B is as hard as if not harder than C1 (1st A level module).

Being taught word types is definately on the GCSE syllabus.
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Quote: "Pretty much every church has a free youth club with ping pong, snooker etc. That's a clean and safe enviroment."


alright, this is going to give me a laugh for 20minutes.
you ever actually joined a church youth group; our local one more fights broke out there than at school... i think they've closed that now as well because whenever i go home i see kids sitting in the gavvy of the church smoking and just chillin'

Quote: "Other than that there are special programs but they're mainly in the big cities."


well your welcome to point some out; as the 'special' schemes are generally under investigation and are only open to kids who meet 'special' requirements.

i've been in/out of that whole dumbass social services system, the only people who still believe any of that crap actually works are the middle class who'll never really meet anyone that unfortunate in thier entire lives.
nice to see a silver spoon planted quite firmly in your cheek right now


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Hmmm... not sure if that's meant to be an insult. Don't see why I'd be upset if I'm richer than you.

You're always going to meet people form different social circles. I've met loads of people way less priviledged than me working in kitchens.

Social services clearly do work. What are you talking about? What aspect don't you think work?
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Quote: "nice to see a silver spoon planted quite firmly in your cheek right now"


too right, i like it there...however, the old argument of im only privaledged because my dad has worked to support my family (he started off very poo btw)...anyway I have never been to youth group etc but I have friends that do (and it's good) and a large number of my friends are of "the lower class" but I've forgotten what my argument was now...

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Quote: "the only people who still believe any of that crap actually works are the middle class who'll never really meet anyone that unfortunate in thier entire lives."


A smart comment to make, given that the majority of people on these forums will be from the middle class.


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And really Raven, who are you to talk, owning a Cali flat, personal supercomputer, having regular lunches with Gabe Newell and all that? Is the upper class any more knowledgable about it ?


IMHO, the problem is simple: Mandatory education is a flawed concept. We need to have free education available, but not required. Solves so many damn problems. But it's far too big a change at this point, the institutions are too integrated with our society and way of life, I doubt most people would want to try to imagine life with that huge a change.

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Quote: "alright, this is going to give me a laugh for 20minutes.
you ever actually joined a church youth group; our local one more fights broke out there than at school... i think they've closed that now as well because whenever i go home i see kids sitting in the gavvy of the church smoking and just chillin'"


Dang, foo, where do you live? I don't even see that when I'm visitin the relatives in OC (Orange County, next to LA). Are there nuns with assault rifles ? (Anyone ever see Spy Hard? "All right sister, give `em hell!")


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*has spent some time seriously considering running for pm in a few yrs time...*

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Quote: "well it would be interesting to switch jobs to politics, i mean no one here can really dispute that i don't have the attitude or certain pinash for the style of job, heh"

No respect from your peers and persistently making points irrelevent to the thread at hand? Aye, you do indeed have the attitude and "pinache" as you call it

The problem with politicians is the democratic system. It encourages people who want power to achieve it, rather than those who know how to use it.

Personally i'm in favour of a Monarchic Democratic Cerebral Narcosis system.

This is a system where potential leaders are bred to be our rulers, although unlike a regular Monarchy this is not necessarily from the same family but rather somebody who has the necessary pre-requisitcs of leadership and who is tutored from birth to fullfill the role of King/Queen.

Then, to ensure they dont foxtrot oscar all of us there remains the bi-decadal election of whether the monarch is doing a good job. Should they fail to achieve over 50.0% of the publics vote then the monarch is subjected to narcosis of the cerebrum (cutting off of their head by guillotine).

This system both negates from power the crazy (Blair) the power hungry (Thatcher) the incompetent (Major) and the religious fanatics (USA: Bush, Middle East: Most leaders). It also ensures that the leadership is at no time abused by the constitutional system of chopping heads off the would be iatolas.


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Quote: " It's funny when mods flame forum members."


I'm glad to have amused you.


Quote: "This is a system where potential leaders are bred to be our rulers, although unlike a regular Monarchy this is not necessarily from the same family but rather somebody who has the necessary pre-requisitcs of leadership and who is tutored from birth to fullfill the role of King/Queen."


I like the idea in a more ideal world, but unfortunatly, as I see it, it's even more succeptible to corruption than a pure democracy. There is no way to ensure the integrity of the tutors of a child, even if there was a set of perfect ideals set out for them to follow; and if one of them turns out to be corrupt, not only do you have to outst a corrupt government official, but you've got a permanently screwed up leader.

There's also the unpredictable nature of raising children-- best laid plans and all that (er, no pun intended).

Any ideas on how this would be avoided in such a system?

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I like it, especialy lopping the heads off.


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Posted: 14th Nov 2004 10:00
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Quote: "Any ideas on how this would be avoided in such a system?"

There isn't much you can do with a corrupt tutor if he's undescovered but at the end of the day we get to vote on the tutor's result every 5 years. OK so maybe the next leader is screwed up too, so be it, but somehow after seeing the last guy/gal get their head lobbed off, I kinda thing they'll get the idea...


Which is the biggest tool? The computer, or the muppet who invented it?
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Shadow Robert
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Joined: 22nd Sep 2002
Location: Hertfordshire, England
Posted: 14th Nov 2004 11:02
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Quote: "A smart comment to make, given that the majority of people on these forums will be from the middle class."


Erm... hardly.

Quote: "You're always going to meet people form different social circles. I've met loads of people way less priviledged than me working in kitchens."


Geez, you can't really get much more insulting than that. Fact is life in general must be pretty glossed over if you seem to think that 'meeting' people who've had less = to understanding what it's like.

Quote: "Social services clearly do work. What are you talking about? What aspect don't you think work? "


Oh yeah I forgot, your the one who's been through the SS system, not me. Guess your experience with how much it works must totally out weigh my opinion in this case, eh?
Social Services is a glorified life meddling system which only work when you don't want them to, in order to provide people with a sense that they're paying taxes to help those less fortunate than themselves, but when it comes to REAL cases; SS will usually turn around and claim thier hands are tied.

Quote: "And really Raven, who are you to talk, owning a Cali flat, personal supercomputer, having regular lunches with Gabe Newell and all that? Is the upper class any more knowledgable about it ?"


I believe that half of what you think about me is just a fanciful imagination. Tell you what though, when your willing to put in weeks where you work almost 16hrs a day for almost a month straight; then maybe we can talk about who the hell is being privilaged here, eh!

Quote: "Dang, foo, where do you live? I don't even see that when I'm visitin the relatives in OC (Orange County, next to LA)."


I've lived in/near London, Derby, Sheffield, Los Angeles (Northridge & West Hollywood), Irvine, San Fran, Redmond, and Bristol.

The outskirts of LA is hardly 'rough country', try living closer to the latino and russian byline. ack! that was annoying, 2 sets of people yelling crap at you that you don't understand.

this said i'm still not settled here. been working for a company for a little while, but not exactly seriously. my contract is up soon so, need to figure out if i want something perminant (at proper pay) or move onto another company.


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