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Mx5 kris
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This is to talk about what you believe humanity is.....I will start to make it clear.

I believe humanity is an imperial culture. If you look in books, online, whatever, in each age there has been war, and destruction. All of this is for recources, and land. It does not matter what else happened, because no matter how u look at it, Humanity is for war. It is premative instinct. If you believe else wise, post and state why.

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Ian T
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Your argument--

-There is always war

-Therefore humanity is about war


I'll respond with--

-There is always love

-Therefore humanity is about love


I could have used bread or beer instead. The problem with your argument is, you reach your conclusion without even a premise of a logical structure.

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I don't understand the title. Humanity Culture? What the hell?
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@ mouse The logic is Humans have always foughten. We have always attacked for terrotory, yes your "argument" is true, but these out weigh the rest of these traits. Humanity has always foughten for terrotory, yes there is, in modern times, deplomatic exchanges sometimes, but not even half a percent of the war factor.

@ Chris K oops, I meant humanity's culture.

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Firsty, "foughten" - ouch.

Secondly, maybe through the ages we had an imperialist society (I think that is what you mean when you say Culture) but today we definately don't.
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Is there evidence of this? Africans. They now want "freedom", freedom = war war=land land= imperialism in its early states. Asia. Communism =N. Koria and China N. Koria and China= War with big bombs war = land land =imperialism. I could continue on every continent. This all equals imperialism.

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land != imperialism

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yes, the want for land = imperialism, it is technacly the definition.

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the want for land could be defined as fascism or anything else...for example Hitler wanted "Living space" (don't know the German word)

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yes, but notice fascism and nazism is imperialism. They wanted land, and they fought for it.

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mx5 kris, your logic makes me think about the aquarium logic :



So I could conclude :



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Posted: 12th Nov 2004 06:37 Edited at: 12th Nov 2004 06:38
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Oh god.

I can't be bothered with this but the fact that you used more equals signs than full stops meant I just had to come back and laugh.

You actually refered to "Africans" as if they're all in the same situation.

North Korea and China are at war with big bombs? This has something to do with land?

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Nazism??! This thread is turning into a classic.
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Wow that's my logic

Fascism and Nazism are not Imperialism...some similarities however

EDIT: Nazism is just Fascism for those that wont admit it

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...I am simply not going to waste time making a logical bedunking of this, it's bloody obvious enough . mx5 kris, why don't you try to start debating when you can avoid gross, arguably racist generalizations and jumping to conclusions ("these out weigh the rest of these traits" is the core of one of your "arguments", yet has no premise or structure)?

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what I mean is simple. look over my original post. I said, or left out I did not look over it , that the basic thing is that all people have the remaining premative instinct for imperialism-the want of land. And yes imperialism is not an goverment, it is a form. What I am saying is that fascism and nazism are imperialism. Imperialism is included in it.
@ chris again: The african culture in general, in africa. That is what I meant. And they are, most anyway.
LOL. I said the want for war, not at war. And yes it has to do with land. Tell me main wars that have not. I will list the ones that have.
American Revolution
French Revolution
war of 1812
Civil war
WW1
WW2
African Revolutions
Lets see....
Gulf war
and.......
Thats it.
These were MODERN wars.

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WW2 was not for land.
The Civil War was not for land.
The American Revolution was KIND OF for lind, if you look at it in a cynical and dark point of view.

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How can you say "the african culture, in general"?!?!

You don't even understand what you are saying. Africa is probably on of the most culturly diverse places in the world.

I don't think you understand that it's a continent. There are literally thousands of languages and hundreds of governments.

Please, stop saying "Nazism" - you're embarrasing yourself.
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WW2= Hitler wanted to control europe. Last I checked europe was land.
Civil War=US wanted to get the confederacy back in the us, Confederacy=land
American Revolution= America wanted freedom from english LAND, so they could control it.

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I understand africa. Yes it is the most culturally diverse place in the world. But do you know where the most wars in history have taken place? Africa.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2004 07:00 Edited at: 12th Nov 2004 07:01
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Hitler wanted to make a pure race.

Use another ****ing equals sign and I'm going to kill myself.

Maybe when you start organising you argumment into comprehendable sentances I'll take you seriously.

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Quote: "Do you know where most wars in history have taken place? Africa"


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Yes, he did. But he also wanted to conquer Europe to do it.
Yes since all wars starting from humanity over 50% of them have at least had a battle there.

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Humanity is about communication, the purest form of communication being music.

I mean look....we're on a forum!

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Quote: " Yes, he did. But he also wanted to conquer Europe to do it."


No. He just wanted to kill Jews to do it.
He also wanted to conquer the world but he didn't want the land he just wanted the power.

Let's say he did conquer the world. Do you think the Germans would have spread out to use it all up?

No.

You're talking rubbish.

Quote: "Yes since all wars starting from humanity over 50% of them have at least had a battle there."


No they haven't.
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lets name wars then. Tell me wars and I will tell you if even 1 battle from it took place in africa. Yes. Power. Power to take over the world. He wanted noone else to exist but his perfect race, on his land.

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Quote: "Last I checked europe was land."

Check again

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Chris is right. Yes humans to have a lot of war. Ever read Lord of the Flies? It's about mankinds base instinct to sin (ie make war). HOWEVER, there is nothing in it about land. Land is a result/cause for war. For example, WW2 started with the death of Archduke Franz Ferdinand while other wars will have been started by invasion or want to land. HOWEVER, (yet again) there is nothing do with Imperialism. It does involve conquering land (English Empire, Roman Empire etc) but everything is not related to Imperialism. Communism isn't, Fascism isn't, Democracy isn't. Name one political/power system that is Imperialistic without saying Imperialism.

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Quote: "Quote: "Last I checked europe was land."
Check again

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Chris is right. Yes humans to have a lot of war. Ever read Lord of the Flies? It's about mankinds base instinct to sin (ie make war). HOWEVER, there is nothing in it about land. Land is a result/cause for war. For example, WW2 started with the death of Archduke Franz Ferdinand while other wars will have been started by invasion or want to land. HOWEVER, (yet again) there is nothing do with Imperialism. It does involve conquering land (English Empire, Roman Empire etc) but everything is not related to Imperialism. Communism isn't, Fascism isn't, Democracy isn't. Name one political/power system that is Imperialistic without saying Imperialism."


Finally I nice argument. But ww1 was started by the death of that guy. I agree. But to get back on subject, all I am trying to say is that humanity, down in its basic form, is just imperialistic. All I mean is that we basiclly ar just fuelled by war and power. Every nation has had war. Every. Its just our nature.

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mx5 is right on one thing, the civil war was most certainly about land. Moral values were, quite frankly, fringe issues at the time, the importance of issues like slavery not widely regarded until a good deal later. The North was every bit as supportive of slavery as the South was-- the war was about the North not wanting the US to split (which one can sympathise with, certainly, but their actions I think were wrong in the end) and the South wanting to preserve conservative social values that they felt were being sacrificed. Since it was the North that effectively started the war by blocking a completely legal seccession in an unconstitutional manner, the cause of the war was the land.

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Humanity is not about war, mx5 kris is a moron.

If you're saying humans aren't like any other species, you are being ignorant.

What do I mean by that? I mean humanity is about survival, just like every other living organism on earth. Everything is about survival.

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ok. I said premative instinct. Did we evolve from monkeys and dinosaurs???? I am saying just talking about HUMANITY you freaking moron. Humanity. US.HUMANS. Not other animals.

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I think you are still falling into the trap of syllogistic logic.

The classic example of syllogistic logic is:

My dog has four legs.
My cat has four legs.
Therefore my dog is a cat.

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but then you have to ask, how? I realise a cat is not a dog.

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Quote: "WW2= Hitler wanted to control europe. Last I checked europe was land."


If your thinking from Hitler's point of view, then your statement is half right. Hitler did want to conquer Europe, but he mainly wanted to "purify" the earth by exterminating everyone who was not blonde haired and blue eyed. He wanted to be elevated above the rest.

But, if you look at in from the Allies point of view, innocent people were being mass murdered for no reason. So, they had to do something. Would there have even been World War II if the Allies didn't fight back?

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Civil War=US wanted to get the confederacy back in the us, Confederacy=land"


Again, only the half truth. The United States wanted freedom, the Confedrate States wanted slavery (among other things).

Quote: "American Revolution= America wanted freedom from english LAND, so they could control it."


NO. They did not want freedom from LAND. They wanted freedom from the English Government.

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not from land, so they could OWN land. They could have their own country. Yes, I am looking at the person who ruled the countries that started the war point of view.

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No, he's just kind of stupid.

He's saying humans are about war.

The point of an organism being an organism is surviving. Whether you accept it or not, humans are organisms.

Quote: "I said premative instinct"

Primitave instinct, huh. You're saying war is an instinct? That would be funny, a baby just out of the womb preparing for battle.

Quote: " am saying just talking about HUMANITY you freaking moron"

Let's get this straight right now:
I said: "If you're saying humans aren't like any other species, you are being ignorant"

Keyword: 'Like'
I wasn't talking about other animals either, genius.

So back to the first point..
War is a form of survival. Therefore, we are not about war, we are about survival. Don't believe me? Want to try and argue some more?

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Quote: "not from land, so they could OWN land. They could have their own country. Yes, I am looking at the person who ruled the countries that started the war point of view."


Once again, there would have not been a war if the Allies didn't fight back.

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Ok. Starters, why did you mention animals then? Yes. War is instinct. Notice that we have general intelligence, NOW even? for survival, but what is survival? Fighting, killing, and such. Animals have survival. We have war.

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Okay, I'm a programmer, not a historian, but I can tell you a few things:

Most wars are about land.

Humanity, like all other species, is all about survival. Albiet the perverse need of killing each other to do it.

On a programming note:

Quote: "Communism =N. Koria and China N. Koria and China= War with big bombs war = land land =imperialism."

I don't beleive you can have more than one = in the same statement.

Quote: " land != imperialism"

Will return a 1.


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War is survival you ignoramus.

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lol. Thanks for the laughs and telling that. But if you look, I said:
Quote: " Yes. War is instinct. Notice that we have general intelligence, NOW even? for survival, but what is survival? Fighting, killing, and such. Animals have survival. We have war."


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no. survival is war.war is survival. They are the same.

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So, picking the apples off a tree to feed your family is the same as attacking a foreign country?

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Quote: "no. survival is war.war is survival. They are the same"

That is where you are wrong.

If you're saying war is the only way to survive you even more stupid than I thought you were.

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Survival to me is what animals do. They steal, they fight, move, control "land",ect... War is: stealing, fighting,moving,controlling land, ect...

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these are my opinions. Just to let fascists like *cough*luyuyuyhnhnhnyxyxyxy*cough* know.

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Quote: "Survival to me is what animals do. They steal, they fight, move, control "land",ect... War is: stealing, fighting,moving,controlling land, ect..."


Then we are arguing the same thing.

You are just using the wrong word choice.

Also, it's called the edit button.

Idiot.

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lock it please, if some kind gentle mod would.
edit:we have gotten our points across

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