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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 08:03 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 09:57
http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.10.10.18186.236.html

Its some guy ranting about how amateur programming is the "evil dark side to all the good that computers have brought us" I think this site is a joke site (im pretty sure it is, because theres a similar article on the site saying that Bonzi Buddy and Macromedia Flash are h4x0r toolz ). The people debating at the bottom of the page seem to be really serious. It's amusing how the ones that oppose amateur programming have to resort to name-calling (geeks) and cant spell Linux right.

(Also, this article(and the site) is a bit dated. Its only archived now so you cant post any replies and participate in the debate )

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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 08:20
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.



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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 08:42
Humor site, people, humor site ...

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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 08:54
Quote: "The truth is that Apache began it's life as the work of professional coders employed by Amazon.com, and as any software engineer you want to ask can tell you, nothing of value was added by anyone but professionals. In truth, the work of the gainfully employed programmers on this project was often interrupted and even sabotaged by the ham-fisted meddling of the teenage wanna-be's and self-styled "gurus" who have accumulated around professional Open Source projects like so many leeches and barnacles. This episode alone demonstrates that if there is anything good to come out of Open Source
methodology, it will only be helped along by the removal of dilettantes from the picture. Indeed, once the "hackers" have been outlawed, Open Source will very likely reach new heights of utility and quality, and perhaps even fulfill the promise of greatness that Open Source advocates have been making for
years."


lmao

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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 09:03
Quote: "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of."

Same.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 16:59
Quote: "The truth is that Apache began it's life as the work of professional coders employed by Amazon.com"


A bizarre statement, as Amazon were M$ bred, and 2 or 3 years ago replaced everything with Linux based systems.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 17:06
Quote: "[quote]Quote: "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.""
Same.[/quote]
Agreed.
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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 20:03
Quote: "[quote][quote]That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of."


Same.[/quote]

Agreed.[/quote]

Ditto.


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Posted: 26th Nov 2004 22:41
Quote: "Quote: "
Quote: "
Quote: "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of."

Same."

Agreed."

Ditto."


Tritto


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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 04:50
...because it's intended to be stupid. It's stupidity formulated to get flames from people who can't tell it's a joke.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 05:46
And here's something like it:

Crime rates are high around the world. I segest we ban living. Any human without a permit to live will die. This will cause there to be no crime so we(or the remainder or us) can be safe and happy!(sacasim)

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 06:10
Quote: "(sacasim)"


No, really

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 06:16 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 06:17
That was straying very close to not being a joke.

One word:
Lmao



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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 06:19
Haha lol, that is so funny.

Quote: "Worst result of hobbyist programming:
Unbreakable encryption for terrorists. 9%
Pirated copies of Microsoft Windows and Office. 7%
The Code Red Worm. 16%
Emacs. 32%
Lunix. 12%
Back Orifice. 5%
The DoS attack on Adequacy.org. 10%
MP3s and Napster. 4% "


Obviously bitter

Reminds me of those scare mongering news reports on how video games ruin our lives.

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Quote: "DoS"

Isn't it DDoS? Anyway his spelling is great ("Lunix")


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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 06:22
Denial of Service?

Only 1 d there

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Quote: "Denial D of Service?"


That looks like two to me








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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 07:29 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 07:30
Here's another similarly funny article.

http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html

Some points given on the site:

- If your schildren uses an ISP other than AOL, they are malicious hackers.

- If your children uses "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy", and "Flash", they are malicious hackers.

- If your children wants or uses AMD processors, theyre malicious hackers. Because AMD makes "inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips"

- If your children spend more than 30 minutes on the computer every day, they may be "DOSing" other people's sites.

- Quake is a hacker training ground.

- "Lunix" was made by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos

- If your children uses BSD, "Lunix" , Debian or Mandrake, your son is a malicious hacker.

- If your children tend to dress and bright, day-glo colors, baggy pants, and dyed bright spiky hair, while carrying around glow sticks and pacifyers, they may be malicious hackers.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 07:46 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 07:55
Okay...
Whoever posted that is either retarded, bored(and joking), or retarded.
I've attached a sound file saying what I would say to him if I met him(it was used in a game(MM7)).

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Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 08:53
Quote: "baggy pants, and dyed bright spiky hair, while carrying around glow sticks and pacifyers, they may be malicious hackers.
"

hackers? I think what they were trying to spell was "ravers".

As far as I'm concered, bonzi buddy IS a virus! And how is Flash a hacker tool? We, I mean they, make their own tools!

As for the rest of the other comments in that article, I'm not going to say anything. I'll be here all day ranting.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 09:14 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 09:14
Quote: " Here's another similarly funny article. "


Yup a classic

Quote: "Quote: "Denial D of Service?"

That looks like two to me "


The other D stands for Distributed. As the word implies, it's a wider scale version of the same thing .

Quote: "Whoever posted that is either retarded, bored(and joking), or retarded."


You just don't get it do you...


Edit-- Seriously people, both articles are jokes. Is it really that hard to recognize sarcasm

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Quote: "Is it really that hard to recognize sarcasm"

It's not that easy when it's in text form, I can notice it (from being constantly sarcastic on MSN ), but others may not.


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Ah. I read them again, and, they're pretty funny!



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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 09:43 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 09:50
Ok, here's my review:

Quote: "use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL"

Aol sucks. Anyone who uses it doesn't know any better, gets it for free, or is forced to use it.

Quote: "These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy"

Big woop.

Quote: "If your child is becoming a hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker friendly provider."

Or maybe he/she just hates AOL because it sucks and wants a faster and better ISP. You don't know any better because you don't use the computer more often.

Quote: "I would advise all parents to refuse this request."

I would advise you to learn more about computers, and realize that AOL sucks.

Quote: "One of the reasons your son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child safety filter."

Hmmm... maybe because it sucks also?

Quote: "This filter is vital to any parent who wants his son to enjoy the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult" content."

Get rid of the enjoy part. I'm sure it blocks anything someone who knows nothing about you might think will offend somebody(them).

Quote: "It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than using a home-based solution."

Wrong.

Quote: "Your son will probably try to install some hacker software."

Or most likely something else, like a game.

Quote: "but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel."

This proves you know very little about computers. That uses the registry, and a program does not have to list itself under the registry. If your some/daughter is a hacker, he would remove the refrence, unless he/she can't hack.

Quote: ""Flash"."

A program that develops interactive web animations, interesting. Why not use batch or C++ when hacking something?

Comet cursor is a cursor changer utility. It probably sucks. It will never help you hack, but it will help you to download an image and make it your cursor. You can't hack anyone with .cur files if you can upload.

Bonzi Buddy is spyware and adware that finds ads for you. Yippie! It won't help you hack.

Quote: "The best option is to confront your son with the evidence,"

Which you don't have.

Quote: "if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications"

That will happen once, when he/she downloads it. You probably won't be there.

Quote: "They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory."

To play games. What would a video card do to help you hack?!?!

Quote: "You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer."

From a thrid party that ownz.

Quote: "If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm."

No. They are sold in stores. People claim they are faster. I use Intel. AMD is cheaper also. HOW would a CPU affect rasing your chile well?!?!?!?

Quote: "4. Does your child read hacking manuals?"

No need to point out the obious. That's like saying your child is a hacker if he/she hacks. And still, "Programming with Perl"?!?!

Quote: "If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites."

Keyword: may. What can you do on the computer for 30 minutes? Why? Most likely, he'll be doing something else. And by most, I mean 99.9999999999% of the time. Even more than that. If your child does DOS sites, he/she has no idea of what's right and wrong, and likes to cause others misery. It's your fault.

Quote: "The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day."

My a**. Perhaps what you limit your time on the computer to.

Quote: "Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers."

..or a fun game where you kill people. Why not just ban access to the internet? Your son can't hack if he's not on the internet(in case you don't know anything(about hacking)). You can go to any chatroom or use any game to discuss hacking.

Quote: "Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?"

Doesn't mean he's a hacker.

Quote: "Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?"

Linux ownz. It is good. It is legal. You are not good. And, haha. Good job spelling it wrong and linking to a site with photos. HOW COULD YOU NOT NOTICE A NEW OS?!??!? When you boot up, and it sais "Windows", you know you're using Windows.

Quote: "your son may damage your computer"

No.

Quote: "and even break it completely by deleting Windows"

Why do you think computers rely on Windows? You know nothing about computers. You have no respect for your son by doing this, and he has a reason for hacking.

Quote: "at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional."

JUST POP IN THE WINDOWS CD AND INSTALL WINDOWS!!!!!!!!! Set your BIOS to boot from CD. If you don't know how, look it up. You probably don't even know what Google is.

Quote: "In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive."

LOOK IT UP.

Quote: "Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface."

IT's an OPERATING SYSTEM! JUST BOOT FROM CD AND INSERT THE WINDOWS CD!

Quote: "Has your son radically changed his appearance?"

^Has nothing to do with hacking.^

Quote: "Is your son struggling academically?"

It's your child's body! Not yours! Guess who wants to use the computer?! I've been using the computer since I was 5, maybe. All day. IT'S FUN!!!!!!! I don't have a desise. I'm not fat. My eyes are bad at seeing at long ranges but that's good because MY EYES ADAPT!! JUST LIKE THE REST OF MY BODY!!! THIS IS SO THEY DO THIER JOB THE BEST MOST OF THE TIME!!!!!!!

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 09:44
I don't care if they're joking. They might be and they might not be.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 09:57 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 09:58
It was all a joke Ilya, dont get all worked up about it.

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wow...

get the shotgun jim j/k

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 10:07 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 10:08
Lol.. A LOT of sniping at AOL.. I am not their biggest fan. BUT credit where credit is due:

I got my fastest relative download EVER from AOL..

On 56K dialup.. Before AOL, my best was 5.1Kb.s sustained average.
[EDIT] Thats with 5 seperate ISP's on the same line with same modem[/EDIT]

With AOL, getting SP1 on dialup overnight.. My average (same app) was 6.5Kb/s. Now that might not sound like much BUT its over a 25% increase.

Imaging how happy you'd be if your 2Mb connection suddendly gave out 512Kb/s more than its meant to? Thats a 25% increase...

So slate AOL all you want, but for me in the UK.. ONE customer was happy.. Until I tried to disconnect and get my parents to sign up for NTL broadband instead

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Posted: 27th Nov 2004 10:34 Edited at: 27th Nov 2004 10:34
Were you downloading SP1 without AOL? Because Microsoft has a good server, and I got around 6kbps downloading stuff from it, compared to 4.
(now I have Adelphia Cable)

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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AOL is a very good ISP in my experience. The only quibble I have about it is the memory & cpu hogging connection software.

AOL UK on an NTL Phoneline is just the best Dial-up experience, especially when they released v6 .. no more crashes of the connection software

We tried quite a few ISPs; Freeserve, CompuServ, Virgin Net, Eidosnet, Daltel, etc.. on the same modem they were getting really depressing speeds or 4.3 connection; except Eidosnet which got 5.7, unfortunately the price of it got to much when I got into programming again. DirectX6 SDK was not small or cheap when your paying 1p/min @ 5.7kb/s

Had been on an NTL line for like ever, well technically at the time it was Bell Cable Media, and before that Jones Cable. (had cable since like '91 which was pretty early for our area)
NTL had promised since buying up the lines (99 i think this was) that customers would get a free ISP, but would cut us off every 2hrs. Didn't seem too bad a deal.. About 6months after that ADSL kinda struck in a big way, problem was it wasn't until like '03 that they FINALLY got it in this area of the county. (ridiculous if you ask me)
AOL was a stop-gap until NTL opened up thier dial-up package in our area.. by the time they did, it was £10/month for the same deal.
We tried it for a month, found it ran at 5.3kb/s and decided to go back to AOL which always connected at 6-7kb/s.
The added bonus was we could network the computers too without worrying about any of the routing or such... none of the other dial-up providers appeared to offer Stable Lines / No Time-Limits / Networking.

for £5 more a month, not to mention some pretty nice ping rates, good enough for Day of Defeat, not quite good enough for Q3.. but then every bugger across europe and america had sodding DSL.

Ya know what ticks me off the most about that, is that ADSL was released first right here! .. but it was FAR to expensive, exclusive to BT, and only available in very very certain parts of the country. It took most companies 3-4years to catch up with getting the technology and a further 2-3years to impliment it.


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AOL sucks-- I have not had a single friend who has used it, who has ever experienced another ISP and been happy with them. Ask Nemmy or any of the other dudes on these forums who recently escaped their nightmare grip.


And Ilya. Stop. Seriously. You're embarassing the forums a bit but mostly yourself. It's not a matter of might be, it's a matter of "Oh, here's a blatantly sardonic humor article written to get idiots to flame it like all the others out there put up on a fake news site filled with obvious bull".

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Ilya, everytime I read one of read one of your posts, I feel a little bit dumber, and also die a bit on the inside.

Wheres that "Ignore User's Post's" function when ya need it.

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I downloaded the MusicNet demo for a month. I never uninstalled it because I forgot about it, and even so, I was being charged 15 bucks a month for it. Aol blows.



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Quote: "Ask Nemmy or any of the other dudes on these forums who recently escaped their nightmare grip."


uh huh.. on BT lines no doubt.
let's see a show of hands of people who believe that ANY ISP they had on BT Phonelines were decent.

personally I've always found AOL to perform the best out of all the ISPs I've had; ya know a weird observation i've made over the years is the same people who move from AOL and say stuff like 'AOL Sucks', seem to also be the people who hear about Linux being some amazing OS, run off, download it, then spend about 2weeks asking other people how to do everything.

make of that as you will, but to be honest, i'm getting a tad sick of hearing thing from people who've never even used a product.
it's just like how many people who slagged off WindowsME, half of them use 98/SE until they got XP.. the other half when you ask them the question 'did you install Windows 98 Drivers or Windows ME Drivers?' will try to claim to you that Windows 98 and ME are compatible.

my faith in peoples abilities to be judges of software, particularly online draws quite thin.


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I've never used AOL's dial-up service, but the thing I don't like about them is how every product they own they feel the need to install a friggin icon every place you can imagine. And before they took over icq, it used to be ad free and worked. Not to mention how badly they screwed up mail services with their integration in Time Warner.

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Quickly! Everyone underclock your computer!

http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.9.3.95745.18731.html

EDIT

This ones good too ...

http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2002.7.25.19735.3946.html

Isn't it? Wasn't it? Marvellous!
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Quote: "is the horrible lack of anni-aliasing support. Computer scientist, Anni Schroder in 1997, created anni-aliasing, to help smooth out the jagged edges that occurred when you typed anything in large, 72-point font."

Lol....

Quote: "Stupidly, the 32megs of RAM is in adequate to take advantage of the 5gig hard drive that comes with the Xbox."

Wasn't it 64mb and 8gb?

Quote: "PS2 is surprisingly powerful, out performing the XBOX in the MHz department by 30 Mhz, and 20 Megs of Ram."

Doubt it.

Quote: "Nintendo has skipped a processor generation and gone with a 256-bit machine called the Game Cube"

Really...

Quote: " With a powerful 900Mhz and 40 Megs of RAM, the Nintendo GC can only be considered over powered."

Same.

Quote: " there is no downside."

Well, if you don't use your computer, yes, unless you're happy with lag.

Quote: "reduce global warming."

I'd rather adapt.

I think I'll install Linux on my old PC now and see what the BIOS console looks like...

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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@ Ilya

Quote: "Wasn't it 64mb and 8gb?"

To my knowledge its 64mb of ram and an 80gb hdd.

@ whatever idiot wrote that article

Quote: "The 400Mhz AMD processor is vastly over priced and constantly under performs, suffering from the same infamous AMD "Division Bug" that surfaced in way back in 1995!"

Its not a 400mhz AMD processor its a 733mhz Intel processor
The "Division Bug"? ROFL!! This has to be a joke article

TI 126Mhz, 584MB RAM, no HDD, 320x320 screen... wait that's my Palm
>> Athlon XP 2400+, 512MB RAM, 120GB HDD, XP Pro SP2 with DX 9.0c
Want an eight way Opteron *workstation*
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Quote: " To my knowledge its 64mb of ram and an 80gb hdd."

For a console?!

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Posted: 29th Nov 2004 07:26
that web site is sad


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Posted: 29th Nov 2004 07:50 Edited at: 29th Nov 2004 07:50
Its a humor site. Its supposed to give misinformation.

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Posted: 30th Nov 2004 06:44
Quote: "@ whatever idiot wrote that article


Quote: "The 400Mhz AMD processor is vastly over priced and constantly under performs, suffering from the same infamous AMD "Division Bug" that surfaced in way back in 1995!"
Its not a 400mhz AMD processor its a 733mhz Intel processor
The "Division Bug"? ROFL!! This has to be a joke article"


Indeed it does .

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Posted: 30th Nov 2004 06:57
... How is it some people have so much trouble understanding its all humor...


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Posted: 30th Nov 2004 08:37
I honestly don't know. It's beyond obvious, and not only that but they manage to ignore all the replies. It's sad enough for us but it must be truly embarassing for them. I'm beginning to feel sorry for Ilya

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Posted: 30th Nov 2004 22:44
Humor site or not, it does raise an interesting point:

If programming had not become available to anyone who wants to learn, a lot (but not all) of these viruses and hacking problems we have would've exist.

But on the flip-side, we would be missing a heck of a lot of things, the games industry would still be in it's infancy, Microsoft would've been legally considered a monopoly long before 1990 (not such a bad thing) and worse of all, TGC wouldn't exist.

I could go on!

Thinking about the idea seriously though, we would have a hell of a lot less problems with computers is programming was not available to all. However, the computer industry would've grown much slower, games would still be back in the early BBC Micro days, and the Tron would never have become a cult classic.

I kinda prefer things the way they are, thank you.

So all in all, dispite the minimalistic level of logic that (strangely) does exist in one or two small elements of that article, it's all lost within the prejudist rambling and half-baked facts that give the impression that TGC is infact a terrorist organisation bent on undermining the professional computer game industry and shutting it all down.

Sorry, got a little lost about half way through that last paragraph...

Avan

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Posted: 30th Nov 2004 23:17
"Programming" is just a way of creating ones and zeroeson an HD. Modern software could not exist without write access to the hard disc. Thus, as long as a single application or tool exists in the world to write these ones and zeroes, you can't stop anything from being created.

Hollywood doesn't quite understand that yet though

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Posted: 30th Nov 2004 23:21
Quote: "I honestly don't know. It's beyond obvious, and not only that but they manage to ignore all the replies. It's sad enough for us but it must be truly embarassing for them. I'm beginning to feel sorry for Ilya "


Some of them could be taking the piss and writing a massive response for the same reason as the original authors .

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Posted: 30th Nov 2004 23:28
Yeah... I used to give people the benefit on the doubt in that circumstance

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