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Ali M Oldboy
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I've never used firefox,

but what is it like?

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Rob K
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Posted: 6th Dec 2004 21:34 Edited at: 6th Dec 2004 21:35
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Try it and see: http://www.firefox.com

I prefer it to IE, for reasons already discussed in other threads (Google this forum for "FireFox")


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It does'nt have the same compatibility as IE yet - but it's head and shoulders above IE in terms of security and popups, I've had a no problems since I switched to it, after putting up with regular IE crashes and spam popups; it's like a whole new internet.

The differences for most people are minor, but common sense - like when you do a find on a webpage, instead of opening a dialogue, you enter it into the bottom bar so it's out of the way of what your reading. Also - I love Firefoxes download stack, instead of a dialogue with a progress bar, all your current and previous downloads are listed in 1 place - nice and easy to find old downloads as well as keeping your screen neat.


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It's much faster for this Forum. Don't know why, but on numerous occasions IE timed out, when FireFox on the same machine found it straight away.

You'll find quite a few incompatibilities, but that's because most people design for IE and it's quirks, and not Firefox and it's stability.

I end up using both Firefox and IE, but that's because we have thin client systems that just don't work in Firefox.

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Once I got FireFox I didn't get pop-ups at all...

Download it or go to hell.



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I love how the little scroll circle is semi transparent.

That's just too cool for school.
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Firefox is great for viewing the forums, as of yet I haven't had any problems. Its tabs mean I can open up all the forums I want to check in one go and just go through them quicker than with Internet Explorer.

Simple... yet fun!
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Firefox is better than sliced bread.

The themes and the calendar plug-in is cool, too


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I love it, I am slowly forcing members of my website to switch. I figure soon, I'll have a "Get Firefox!" banner at the top of my website, and I'll make that disappear once they are using it (with that nifty PHP $SERVER variable thingy).


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I really like the tabbed interface, great for when I have so many other windows open while coding

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Ali M Oldboy
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Posted: 7th Dec 2004 16:10 Edited at: 7th Dec 2004 16:14
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To be honest, What IS firefox?

I use AOL, will firefox conflict with it or something?


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Ali M Oldboy
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hello? Desperate here! Shall you all think I should install it? (I've downloaded it already)


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THIS IS NOT A CHATROOM, AS SUCH, RESPONSES ARE NOT INSTANTANEOUS. OFTEN TIMES, RESPONSES CAN TAKE HOURS, OR EVEN DAYS.

Now, with that said... so long as your internet connection is active, Firefox should work just fine.


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Ali M Oldboy
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Alright! Alright! JeBus, no need to throw a tantrum!

But thanks anyway, I'll install it!


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Posted: 7th Dec 2004 23:36 Edited at: 7th Dec 2004 23:39
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Quote: " I love it, I am slowly forcing members of my website to switch. I figure soon, I'll have a "Get Firefox!" banner at the top of my website, and I'll make that disappear once they are using it (with that nifty PHP $SERVER variable thingy)."


Is that what the internet is about? Forcing people to use software that you are partial to?

What if a user has an opertating system that FireFox is simply not available for, such as Windows 95 or a Macintosh that is earlier than Mac OS X 10.1? You can't "force" people to change if their OS simply won't support it.

Some people will visit websites, and if they have to install extra software to view the website, they leave.

If you want the largest number of visitors possible to enjoy your website, perhaps you should make your webpage browser neutral. Make it work great for all browsers, and don't intimidate people who don't use FireFox. That's not a good way to treat potential customers.
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Quote: "What if a user has an opertating system that FireFox is simply not available for, such as Windows 95 or a Macintosh that is earlier than Mac OS X 10.1? You can't "force" people to change if their OS simply won't support it."


how many people still have win95?

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Toby Quan
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Quote: "how many people still have win95?"


Hopefully not too many. But the fact remains, you shouldn't force someone to upgrade their OS, and then get FireFox just so they can view your website.

How many people have Mac OS that is earlier than 10? They'd be in the same boat.
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You shouldn't make them, but you can give them advice.


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FireFox is a web browser, a replacement for IE for anyone who doesn't know.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2004 05:13 Edited at: 8th Dec 2004 05:31
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Wow, check out this memo that our boss just send out IT area:

Quote: "Good afternoon. Our IT staff has experimented with Firefox as an alternative to Internet Explorer. It's good to be open to reviewing new software, but Firefox doesn't currently run the applications that Central IT developers just created for our office. Our patching tool, Shavlik, doesn't load Firefox patches. As a result, our office will stop using Firefox and the software needs to be removed from the desktops where it has been installed. Our limited staff time should not be spent patching Firefox or troubleshooting applications in addition to the other patching and maintenance we need to do. It was a good idea that doesn't work at this time. Thank you for your hard work and diligence."


The program that my boss was referring to was written in Lotus Notes and Java. For some reason, there was a security flaw in the Java/Firefox files that are not an issue with MSIE.

In larger businesses, we don't have the time or money to roll out large applications on multiple browser platforms. Our company has 12,000 employees, and it's just easier if everyone uses one browser (MSIE), and if developers shoot for only that one browser.

For home use, of course our staff can use FireFox all they want.

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Today, where I work, there is only one choice, MSIE. However, in the future, as Firefox grows, who knows? Maybe it will give Microsoft a run for their money! God knows Microsoft deserves some competition. I personally believe that it was wrong of them to put Netscape out of business like they did. But, I as a developer, I love the Microsoft tools. They are very easy to use, and quite powerful.
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Quote: "Is that what the internet is about? Forcing people to use software that you are partial to?"


Well said

I don't like the look of all this peer pressure

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Quote: "Is that what the internet is about? Forcing people to use software that you are partial to?"


Especially when 9 out of 10 people who visit your site will be using MSIE :p


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Posted: 8th Dec 2004 06:12 Edited at: 8th Dec 2004 06:13
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Yeah, Firefox rules! Although there is one snag; some web pages make firefox go very slow (ie. slow FPS) when scrolling (eg. http://www.bungie.net). And no, my computer isn't rubbish (3.2Gh P4, GeForce 6800, 1GB DDR RAM). Has anyone else noticed this?

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Hmmm..... Weird.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Quote: "Microsoft has to stop slacking off or they will lose all their customers."

Fat chance. Computer companies probably won't start buying Linux or Mac.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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you say that now, but times are changing, linux is growing like bamboo, much like FireFox

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Firefox can't cause Microsoft to lose customers, however.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Quote: "linux is growing like bamboo"

No, its growing like a leaf - all limp and green...

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Im not sure that linux is growing in a good way or a bad way.

As for having multiple browsers, its annoying when you come to make websites.

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Quote: "As for having multiple browsers, its annoying when you come to make websites."


Not if you make it correctly and adhere to the standard

Quote: "Computer companies probably won't start buying Linux or Mac"


Perhaps you should clarify that, or just add it to your sig as a funny quote.


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Quote: "As for having multiple browsers, its annoying when you come to make websites."


I find that building a site for FireFox will usually mean that it will work under IE as well. Developing the site the other way round leads to problems in FF.


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Sites that don't work in Firefox are generally those that were developed with only IE in mind. If you design for a browser that has non-standard functionality (Frontpage extensions, for example), it is inevitable that it won't work elsewhere. Microsoft tools are also non-standard, and don't always close off instructions. IE handles this, but it's not standard behaviour.

I would imagine (but don't quote me) that Firefox sticks to the RFC. Therefore, if you design for Firefox, it will work in IE.

Having said all that, many thin client applications are made to work with IE.

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Quote: "Frontpage extensions, for example"


Nothign to do with browser - they're server side. Bit like php

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Ali M Oldboy
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Firefox is great!

I've just installed it, firefox makes internet more better!
Especially for the forums!


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Quote: "I find that building a site for FireFox will usually mean that it will work under IE as well. Developing the site the other way round leads to problems in FF."


Thats what I thought, so I made my site in FF, but it looked really rubbish in IE. True that I should adhere to standards.

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You sure it just didn't look rubbish full stop?

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Quote: "Is that what the internet is about? Forcing people to use software that you are partial to?"

He's not forcing anyone to do anything. It's just a suggestion. I can name a few sites that will NOT let me in if I don't use IE, and that is totally different. I don't mind a banner, so long as it isn't one of those horrible ones that float on top of whatever you're trying to read.

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He's not forcing them to switch? Then why did he say:

Quote: "I love it, I am slowly forcing members of my website to switch."
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'tut' no he didnt, stop making up stuff..

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Yes he did.

Quote from Zero:
Quote: " I love it, I am slowly forcing members of my website to switch."


Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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I was kidding

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haha great way to piss off a member

Tell them they made it up, when the statement is clearly truely in the thread...


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FireFox is great and everything, and I really do like it and all of the noteworthy features it introduces. But ever since SP2 came I really haven't seen the sense of it. I mean IE comes on every Windows machine, and with the built-in pop up blocker that is so well integrated I never get pop ups anymore. It's like a new internet, except with IE. I don't know, the simplicity of it, it's already integrated into Windows, none of the programs fighting to be the default browser. Like one of the annoyances I found was that certain programs only open in IE by default and ignore what the default browser is for. It's extremely annoying. Maybe in the future months FireFox/Mozilla will integrate itself better. Like if it removed all traces of IE (links, settings, etc) and made FireFox the only program available to be opened then I would be more partial to it. I understand how so many people love the plug-ins and all the schnazzy features, but I would just rather stick with a faster loading, more integrated, simpler browser that is there no matter what.

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