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Major Payn
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My mom wanted to know what I wanted for christmas, but I don't know! So I said that I wanted two 1Gb kingston pc-3200 DDR SDRAM, but is it worth it? I already have 1 GB, but it is two 512 sticks, so I thought I would get to 1Gb sticks, to give me exactly 2GB of memory, but will this really help?

PS: I play alot of games.

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You can never upgrade your computer enough really can you? If I was you I'd ask for 4 gig for xmas, an ATI X850, couple of 250 (or bigger) H/Ds,keyboard with gelled keys, flying mouse,, sound dome, and a dog with a bouncy head to sit atop your monitor.
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X850? Is that even out yet?

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With a computer that good already, I'd ask for some good books

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Stevil
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Quote: "X850? Is that even out yet?"


I'm an aussie, we don't get things till a year or 6 after the rest of the world (I can't even get ADSL where I live, then again I think electricity is "just fantastic") I'm not sure about the rest of the world but we don't have them here yet.

Heres info on it anyways
http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx850/index.html
*drools*

I like how you ask about the card but not the flying mouse he he he
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Posted: 18th Dec 2004 06:39 Edited at: 18th Dec 2004 06:40
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Quote: " With a computer that good already, I'd ask for some good books "


Books? Why would I want books .

That X850 looks pretty sweet, but I am not sure why ATI doesn't just stick 512mb of memory in the darn thing! I mean my radeon 9800pro has that much memory, and it is over a year old now.

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to stick on your fire - obviously

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Because books are informative .

I haven't read a book in ages ..

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yeah it is getting pretty cold here, I better go round up some books.

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I'm still living off 256mb, non ddr. I don't think it's worth to turn two 512s into one 1gb. Ask for some games, or money to buy game making apps, or something. I'm sure there's a game you've wanted.

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My computer is wierd... I know as a fact I only have 256MB but when I look at the system information, it says 512MB

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As it stands right now, I am changing my mind on the memory upgrade, I mean what fun is memory! I like to get fun stuff on christmas, and I realy don't need Ram yet, atleast not untill a game comes out that is really demanding, but I can play everythign absolutely perfect right now, so I am good. By the way, what would yall recommend for a cool gift!

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Quote: "By the way, what would yall recommend for a cool gift!"


Ice, Fridge, Snow, Freezer, AirCon, Fan Lots of cool things out there you could get for xmas, all depends on the person. Then again you could always ask for socks.
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Mouse's suggestion was actually a good one . Books are good. I can't really explain whats nice about them.. For instance a book on programming 3D physics or something..its..well..no..wait..I can't explain what I like about them, I just do. :/



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Books are to boring for me.

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Why you ungratefull little!-.......How can you say books are boring? Maybe your thinking I mean story books . Are you saying you think learning something interesting is boring?..

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I only like books about programming like javascript , php, asp , java ,C++ i have everything in my book case lol. I still cant find what i need

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Quote: " Are you saying you think learning something interesting is boring?"

Those are oppisates.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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I can learn more from the descovery channel, or the History channel than I learn from books, and they are actually enteresting! OK, enought talk about books, back to christmas! What should I get?

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There there Iyla, we know.

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Ummmm..... A MONKEY.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2004 07:28 Edited at: 18th Dec 2004 07:29
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Quote: "I can learn more from the descovery channel, or the History channel than I learn from books, and they are actually enteresting! OK, enought talk about books, back to christmas! What should I get?"

But when your bored you can pick up the book again and read it. And, you can learn a hell of a lot more from a book than you can a tv program.

What is it with kids today? Why would they rather learn from TV than a book that they can reference to?

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Because Books don't excite me. I feel like I am wasting my life away reading them.

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Quote: " Because Books don't excite me. I feel like I am wasting my life away reading them."


I'm sorry, sir, but you should be shot for that. Books are a great thing, I mean have you ever read anything by R.A. Salvatore? Or D.J. MacHale? The Harry Potter books even?

You're probably scarred by the books your school makes you read. Those suck, end of story. Now go to your book store and pick up some real literature.

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The books I read at school were good.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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I can't stand reading books! I love reading magazines, but then again they are filled with short yet insightfull columns, and plenty of pictures!

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Quote: " The books I read at school were good."


Lucky bugger. Did you read the Scarlet Letter yet?

I didn't make it past the second chapter, thats how horrible it is

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Never heard of it.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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Books at my school are little pieces of books that they found in the "School that buys a room full of up-to-date computers (30 or 40), and wants to cut transportation for High School, and too cheap to print newspaper on paper anymore, to save money.... so we buy these cheap loser books" section.

Boooooring...


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Then books are infinate at your school.

Quote: "I've seen the word programming and I'm not sure what it means. Anybody please explain?"


Quote: "We shouldn't sacrifice the truth to preserve "balance"."
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your waisting your life if your feeling bored.

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Books are the only things I ever want for christmas, both novels and educational books.


"Computers are useless - They can only give you answers."
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I don't like school books..

A good book outside of school is nice, but like our school will ever have a book written by a decent writer.. Pffft


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Quote: "That X850 looks pretty sweet, but I am not sure why ATI doesn't just stick 512mb of memory in the darn thing! I mean my radeon 9800pro has that much memory, and it is over a year old now."


o_0 ... when did ATI produce a 512MB Radeon 9800 PRO?
I'm pretty sure that the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra 512MB is the first and only gaming card to have that much on-board memory.

To have that much is just ridiculous, especially in terms of cost. Ram is what makes Graphics cards so damn expensive even after the cost of the GPU R&D is covered.

This is why NVIDIA has come up with 'TurboCache', that allows you to use your system memory for storing. Your graphics memory is then used purely as a frame buffer. ATi also have 'HyperMemory' but no one knows what the hell that is capable yet, other than ATi have claimed it's better than whatever NVIDIA are developing. (this might explain why it isn't out yet heh)

With PCI-Express, and the new 64-bit AMD Processor designs. PCs are very quickly becoming much more optimised like consoles. I'm really getting quite excited about the direction IBM-Compatible Systems are taking

As for the X850, you can only get it as a Plantinum Edition. They cost WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much, and still can't outperform the 6800 Extreme. (nice try ATi but no Cigar)

R520 has finally been shipped, the 'development' version that is. Quite impressive, something I have to work with for the next 5years (joy).. but not going to break any records like the Gigabyte 3DI.
Dual 6600GT GPU with 256MB GDDR3 on PCI-X.

Outperforms everything, including the new X850 Plantinum according to preliminary tests. As it isn't a Dual Cards, but Dual GPU Card.. it is capable of using SLi natively. If anyone remembers this is what 3DFX did with the Voodoo3.. as the current reports indicate, NVIDIA's product lines are going to look very very cushy for this comming generation.

just after christmas going to be putting together identical systems, for engine testing. So looks like i'm going to be spending more time with both cards now rather than one at home and one at work

As far as what you should ask for, for Christmas goes. Personally I'd recommend getting something to help you develop your games.
I dunno really, I mean I dunno what you like; and christmas itself amps me up about as much as a gopher over using a firearm.

Computer games are probably the best route.


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Sorry, I should have made myself more clear, I meant that my Card has 256mb of memory. And why would you want 512? Because pretty soon games are going to come out, that are going to need 512mb of memory to store the High res textures, much like Doom 3, which needed a 512 card to really play it at it's ultra graphics.

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Quote: "Sorry, I should have made myself more clear, I meant that my Card has 256mb of memory. And why would you want 512? Because pretty soon games are going to come out, that are going to need 512mb of memory to store the High res textures, much like Doom 3, which needed a 512 card to really play it at it's ultra graphics"


Someone needs to be educated a little more in how computers work.
Doom3 Ultra runs fine on any 128MB card, you need 1GB System Ram however to take advantage of it.

my gamecube is capable of rendering scenes that on my pc would run out of ram... considering my GC has a combined 40MB and my PC has a combined 196MB, you'd think my PC could handle more.

fact is down to how things are programmed, and simple fact of the matter is that if the game is programmed to load everything to gfx ram, then that's what it does. loading things to gfx ram means there is less latency between instance calls and such because its on the card and not needed to be called through the cpu... with PCI-X this really makes this a moot point.

everything stored on your graphics card will always be in you system ram too, again this is how the API works and you code it up. OpenGL for example tries to store as little as possible on the card itself.

this is why TurboCache and HyperMemory are going to be a big deal when it comes to game developers. alot of companies are either going to have to adapt pipelines or simply refuse to support these cards. going to have to take a more 'console' based approach to game development.


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