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Geek Culture / New AGE OF EMPIRES coming to a screen near you soon...

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MicroMan
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Posted: 18th Jan 2005 07:20
I'm a big fan of RTS:es. You get tired of FPS:es after a while, and want other types of games. RTS:s allows you to take a break from personally clonking heads together.

Recently Ensemble Studios released pics of their new Age of Empires III, and I think the graphics looks great. I just hope they've also made the UI good, as well as the gameplay.

http://media.pc.gamespy.com/media/721/721644/imgs_1.html

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Major Payn
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Posted: 18th Jan 2005 07:57 Edited at: 18th Jan 2005 07:59
Those graphics look like they are going to melt half the computers on the market! encluding my now outdated Area 51! NOOOOO! poor Radeon 9800, about to take the bargin bin express rout to vid card hell.

Guns arn't the problem, people are the problem, shoot all the people and guns arn't a problem anymore.
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Posted: 18th Jan 2005 08:57
Its screenshots like those that make being a programmer so worthwhile and insperational. I do wonder about the specs of the computers needed though to produce graphics like that. It looks like some pretty flash shaders to must be the latest ones.

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Posted: 18th Jan 2005 09:52
Pixel shader 3.0 to be exact, damn If only the 9800 could handle PS 3.0, oh well, I knew I would have to upgrade sometime.

Guns arn't the problem, people are the problem, shoot all the people and guns arn't a problem anymore.
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Posted: 18th Jan 2005 09:56
Um, wow yeah that will hurt my PC, ahh looks sweet though, not long ago their cutseens looked like that...weird how things change. Ill keep an eye on this !
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Posted: 18th Jan 2005 10:20
Oh god... I'm gonna have to buy a new graphics card just so I can play this game.. I've played AOE I & II to death already.
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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 02:58
dammit and i only got my age of mythology back the other week, a friends been borrowing it off me for the past 2 yrs

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 03:06
Wow that looks good. A definate buy seeming as I love RTSs

The Game Programmer
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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 03:16
It appears to be yet another great AOE. Can't wait till there's more info!

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 04:04
wow...nice... bit concerned about the modernness though(trains, cities...)

Part of solving the problem is actually noticing that the problem is there in the first place

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:04
My best friend works at Ensemble Studios

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Mx5 kris
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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:04
AOE sucks.


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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:07
Uh, you could at least give a reason why, because I'm pretty sure everyone who's posted on this post has liked it except you, so what's wrong with it.... To good for you?

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:12
I barely like rts's. Or ones that span one "age"*like the ages you advance in AOE are to not different*


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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:40
Well I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion, even if it IS wrong.

Well, I'm trying aren't I.....

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:42
I have a friend, he doesn't borrow anything though. He likes zebras.(Thats ZEBRA's, not zeebras)

I seemingly love RTS's too, isn't that odd?

Why do you always want more info? Ignorance is bliss...

I am also concerned about "modernness", it is a very worrying aspect of todays society.

My boyfriend works in safeways...

kris, i don't like your sig...

Why the hell would "Life" give me lemons...?

kris, i don't like your sig...

Just some my thoughts on the matter.
If you quote any of this, i will kill you.
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The Game Programmer
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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:44
Wow, what a bunch of random nonsense, can you put that in some earth format please?

Well, I'm trying aren't I.....

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MY sIg rox.
Quote: " I have a friend, he doesn't borrow anything though. He likes zebras.(Thats ZEBRA's, not zeebras)

I seemingly love RTS's too, isn't that odd?

Why do you always want more info? Ignorance is bliss...

I am also concerned about "modernness", it is a very worrying aspect of todays society.

My boyfriend works in safeways...

kris, i don't like your sig...

Why the hell would "Life" give me lemons...?

kris, i don't like your sig...

Just some my thoughts on the matter.
If you quote any of this, i will kill you.
Peace and love and Pie
Love me(seriously, love me, i am a god)"

muahhahaha


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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:49
Quote: " Wow, what a bunch of random nonsense, can you put that in some earth format please?
"

Don't patronise me.

Quote: "muahhahaha"

Yes... you've obviously been practicing those evil laughs.
(For future reference, its only deemed evil if spelt "Muahahahaha")


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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:55
To me that looked like an evil gasp, not a laugh, it should be more bold and embodied. Like this.
MUHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA


That's more like it!

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 05:57
No. God, no. That is so wrong on so many levels. I'm not even going to dignify that with a sensible answer.


But i had a cookie today, it was choclatey and nice.


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The Game Programmer
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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 06:29
Well I had a mint and it was minty and nicer than your cookie.

Well, I'm trying aren't I.....

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 06:48
How did an Age of Empires 3 topic, turn into a debade over cookies!!!!

Guns arn't the problem, people are the problem, shoot all the people and guns arn't a problem anymore.
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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 07:39
something to do with meatloaf...i lost it after that
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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 08:18
Well get back on topic...mmmmmm realistic water yummy

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 08:29 Edited at: 19th Jan 2005 08:29
a little to realistic...WITCHES!!!

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Posted: 19th Jan 2005 09:22
Im so glad i got a new pc for xmas

Hi
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It will be interesting to see what computer specs they are developing this for.

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72 GB 9000000000 MB RAM

Operating system: XPee (not released yet)

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The game takes advantage of Pixel shader 3.0, so it is a no-brainer that Ensemble studios is in bed with Nvidia, DAMNIT!

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How scandalous

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Posted: 20th Jan 2005 00:51
http://www.ensemblestudios.com/age3images/AoE3ThemeHi.mp3

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Sounds like the same music, though a little different. Graphics look amazing. I still play AoE2 all the time. It's by far my favorite rts. I tried playing age of mythology. I was really excited about that one, unfortunately it sucked. I hope this one is better.

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How did AoM suck? They pretty much fixed everything wrong with AoE2! Farm issues gone, idle system greatly improved, villager AI improved, walls a million times better, etc etc etc...

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I have to agree with mouse there...

Part of solving the problem is actually noticing that the problem is there in the first place

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Personally I'm not a fan of the 'Age of' titles, my brother has them and loves them to bits but they just feel boring and fiddly to me. Like they're trying to be an RTS and a Civilisation-Clone, and felt like they missed the point of both.

Graphics don't make the game, but it'll make it sell so s'pose it's a good thing they've finally decided to embrace the 3D age with a giant leap. This said, Pixel Shader 2.0 or 3.0 makes no odds visuals wise; the only thing that Shader 3.0 adds is the ability to make environments feel more alive and run quicker, graphically anything you can do in 3.0 can be done in 2.0 as well.

Best example is probably FarCry, which from screenshots looks identical but when you see the video of the different versions and watch the tree's sway and such. Really adds to the overall feel of the game.

It'll be using Shader 2.0, and no doubt 1.1/1.4 to capture the largest market... while not looking *as* good as it does there, it'll still look pretty damn nice. Anyone seen Settlers V? Uses the dated Warcraft3 Engine but with Shaders. Looks bloody gorgeous to play without killing computers it runs on, especially considering the density of people and building you have in-game.

Same goes for games like Battle for Middle Earth, while the Shaders help the games look amazing, polycounts for the moment are remaining quite low which allows alot of cards to handle them from the low-end to the high-end. As developers generally put in a blend to use one or the other and not rely on one too much.

Well there are exceptions, ::coughD3/HL2cough:: but generally speaking you see a blend being used to produce a much higher quality image without much effort.

For example, Prince of Persia : Warrior Within uses just a simple Shader 1.1 Bloom & Field of Depth, with just bog-standard graphics style from 2000-ish which works a treat and makes it really seem modern.
The same effects that are very easily recreated in DarkBASIC Professional and appear to be being used in AoE3.

It's the easiest way to improve graphics cheaply. From most of those shots you an quite clearly see that it is using alot of effects that would be easily recreatable in DarkBASIC Professional with not alot of effort. Shadows would slow it down given how DBP does them, but generally I'd say that you could get that running most of those screenshots with a half-decent engine @ 1024x768, on say a 2.0GHz w/256MB w/Shader 1.1 64MB Card very easily within DBP... within a professional engine that is optimised could probably go as low as 1.2GHz 128MB, maybe even use a Fixed-Function card like GeForce4 Mx
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Db Pro is making AoE3


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no...




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i also heard that they are making an rts of the doom series, using this same engine.























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You have far too much spare time don't you.....

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and a digital camera

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When Mythology came out and went the way of 3D, it looked crappy I thought. As for the farms, yes I was so sick of rebuilding farms in AoE. I don't know, I just couldn't get into AoM like the other titles.

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Quote: "I'm pretty sure everyone who's posted on this post has liked it except you, so what's wrong with it...."

That's because I didn't post yet. Didn't like any of the "Age of..." games, probably a matter of style. Red Alert II PWNS!!!

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Tried playing it with graphical settings tuned up ? Even on my 5200 I can play AoM with 4x antialiasing and 4x AS filtering, and it looks fantastic. The detail of the 2d images in AoE2 isn't quite captured, but it's far more lush, vibrant and dynamic as well.

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Quote: "yes I was so sick of rebuilding farms in AoE"

in the expansion for AoE2 you can do that little farm que thingy...which gets rid of the problem

BTW if you own AoE2 and enjoy it i highly recommend the expansion...

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Anyone know when its out ?

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Quote: "in the expansion for AoE2 you can do that little farm que thingy...which gets rid of the problem"


Sort of. Frankly, queuing should have been there in the first place; it's damn impossible to work without if you have a large farming community going, and as it is, the queue limit is far too low. The micromanagement aspect of it all is really unnecesary. I like what they did with AoM .

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Ya age of empires has a good economic system and I think a lot of Age of empires 3 has been changed to make it even better and add more features so it should be interesting.

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