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Qwisats Haderach
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Well ive got a toshiba laptop with windows xp for an OS but i want to install debian/gnu linux. is this possible with my computer and is it a good idea? also i dont know which files to download. can someone help?


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Yes, you can, but its not a good idea...

As for what files you download, you just need what they define are the minimum files needed to install it.

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Qwisats Haderach
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um theres a whole bunch of files for download and i dont know which ones to download for my computer. why is it a bad idea?


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Qwisats, if you can and you have a fast enough connection, download the CD images, I think it's three, but you'll need to check. Burn the CD images and do a proper install that way. It will install LILO (optionally) so you can dual boot. More importantly, it will be easier to configure for your laptop so you can install the RPMS that are useful to you etc.

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how do I get rar running on linux....



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Squidgy probably says it's a bad idea just because he hates Linux. The same way I'd say it's a bad idea to get a cat as a pet.

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Qwisats Haderach
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theres a whole bunch of folders like alpha, arm, hppa, i386 and so on. which one do I download?


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@TK

newbie brogo will be around shortly to eat you or have one of his cats do it, watch out

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arg.. you run an i386 But if you can't even decipher that much, you're gonna have hella trouble running linux

That's if your laptop can even support linux..


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Seeming as its a laptop there will probably be compatability problems, although I think Toshiba drivers for linux are quite uptodate

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Qwisats Haderach
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what do u mean compatibility problems. and i have hard drive repetioning disks that came with my pc. if i run the disks will it make my computer go back to my windows xp os?


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well in both my laptops I have never got my modems to work and the thing doesn't realise my graphics card can boost the display etc. Basically anything that uses a driver (almost everything has a risk of not working)

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Quote: "The same way I'd say it's a bad idea to get a cat as a pet"

tis a bad idea to associate cats as positive

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Posted: 13th Feb 2005 06:47
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It's not a good idea to install any OS other than the factory OS on a notebook computer. Believe me I've installed countless versions on more than a hundred notebooks, and it's just problems.


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Quote: " Squidgy probably says it's a bad idea just because he hates Linux"

No, I dont hate Linux - just dont like it for home use. Not stable enough...

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neofish youd better look out also..

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Ooooo i so scared....my Anti-Cat randomI Defense (ACID...hmmm acid ) systems are renowned....just try it

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@Qwizatz Haderach

Couldn't you call yourself Muad'Dib. It would be a lot easier to write.

Anyways. It's like this. Linux is good, but it's not for newbies. There's just a lot of issues with it that you have to understand. Already mentioned are compatibility issues. Any part of your machine that needs a driver might not be included in the linux distribution you choose, or it might be an out of date driver, or even the wrong driver.

If you don't know how to anticipate that, and fix it, my advice is to stick with whatever's already installed on your machine.

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Quote: "Not stable enough..."

Not stable?!?! My XP has crashed more times than my Mandrake. Maybe you just had an unstable driver?

Osiris, Newbie Brogo has had my name in the list for a very, very long time allready. No need to warn me.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2005 16:23 Edited at: 13th Feb 2005 16:25
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modems (the dialing ones) that are winmodems won't work on linux.
Quote: " I have never got my modems to work"

modems (the dialing ones) that are winmodems won't work on linux.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2005 17:21 Edited at: 13th Feb 2005 17:21
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Quote: "Maybe you just had an unstable driver?"

I doubt it - XP has been far more stable than Linux. Perhaps you have been using unstable drivers?

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Quote: "I doubt it - XP has been far more stable than Linux. Perhaps you have been using unstable drivers?"


I doubt it - Linux has been far more stable than XP. Perhaps you have been using an UNSTABLE RELEASE?


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Perhaps you have a dodgy copy of XP.

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If you're using Windows XP with an NTFS drive you won't be able to install Linux to iut without making a new partition (Linux can read NTFS drives but not write to them).

When it comes to laptop compatabilty the make of your laptop and the Linux distribution you choose make the biggest differences. I've installed Red Hat Linux to numerous Dell laptops with no real problems. Luckily, Debian is one of the better distros when it comes to compatabilty.

However, I'm going to have to agree with MicroMan in saying I don't think you'd be able to fully handle Debian. If you really want to use Linux I'd recommend going to a local book store and find a book on Fedora Core that come with CDs. FC is easier to use than others although Mandrake, Ubuntu, and SuSE are both pretty good. Debian and Slackware are harder to use and Gentoo with make you cry. While Linux is a good thing to know and use it's hard and can be a steep learning curve.

Quote: "No, I dont hate Linux - just dont like it for home use. Not stable enough..."


*looks at old Red Hat machine that's been up for over a year*

*looks at new Windows XP machine that needs to be restarted every week or so*

You must not keep everything up to date or know it very well to have that many problems.
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Well lets put it this way - the updates screwed everything up... Which is not a problem I get with XP... The only time my XP server needs resetting is if any updates have been applied.

XP's update system is very nice, does everything for you, so why cant Linux do that ?

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Quote: "XP's update system is very nice, does everything for you, so why cant Linux do that ?"


It does, depending on the distribution. Fedora has a nice little update notifier in the taskbar, and updates everything automagically just like XP.


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Quote: "the updates screwed everything up..."

That is something I've heard a LOT over here... with XP. Many people I know didn't have much luck with SP2. Sure, you're not one of those people, you classify as one of those lucky chosen ones who are treated nicely by Microsoft, probably because you both have the same goals in life (taking over the world).

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A. Most likely the problem, I didn't use a haxxored copy of xp
B. I ran spyware removers and me antivirus before installing sp2
C. I don't run xp any more, 2000 is pretty much the same thing, but runs a lot faster, and I've not rebooted that ever for any other reason than updates.. Although I've noticed every once in a while winamp will crash, so I have to shut down winamp through task manager. That's usually after I come home after 10 hours away from it, after it'd been running all night


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Quote: "I didn't use a haxxored copy of xp"

The people I was talking about weren't either. After the update, their computers slowed down, networks stopped working, chicken pie went cold.

As for windows 2000, if only I had a camera with me each time I saw a bank's machine displaying the standard windows error...
Personally, I've never had any problems with it, but it gives me an eery 98 feeling that makes me feel unsafe. Kinda like when I hear rumors of Newbie Brogo comming to town. Of course, he never came here (that I'm aware of) and I haven't had any errors from 2K. Except for an "Out of memory, increasing swap file size." message, but that's because the PC's owner was too lazy to change the settings.

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Quote: "After the update, their computers slowed down, networks stopped working, chicken pie went cold."

And probably they were using dodgy video and sound drivers - drivers are WHQL'd for a reason...

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Dodgy video drivers? As far as I know, they used the drivers that came with the hardware. Or would you consider the catalyst drivers dodgy?

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Depends if they are the offical and latest ones. ATI are not known for having terribly good drivers either.

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heh, nah, we had network problems at work after early beta releases of sp2..

we run sp2 on all of our machines now, old and new, and all works well


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Indeed - I've had no problems with any of my XP machines :

5 x desktops (3 AMD and 2 Intel)
1 x laptop (64-bit AMD)

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Relatives of Bill, both of you!
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He gets things done.

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Indeed, but do they get done right?

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Quote: "XP's update system is very nice, does everything for you, so why cant Linux do that ?"

Almost all distros support RPM and APT. Slackware can automatically install stuff from .tgz files. SuSE has YaST and Gentoo has Portage. So, in fact, all distros can do everything for you (although some are better than others). However, there's still a large number of Linux users who simply prefer to extract and compile everything themselves instead of relying on these tools (these are the same people who don't like to automount their CD-ROM drives).
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DIE AUTOMOUNT!

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When it works...

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It works for me. Maybe you have dodgy video drivers.

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No idea, driver support is so poor its hard to know. Dont use Linux anymore anyway. XP is my OS of choice.

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