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Geek Culture / 6800 or X800?

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flibX0r
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I have recently started uni doing Games Technology, and have been looking at laptops to get one that is capable of both producing and playing games. And now that Alienware ships to Australia i've been looking at their laptops.

I have been looking at the Area-51m 7700, and have gotten to the point of setting up various configurations to see what there is, and i'm trying to decide between the nVidia GeForce 6800 Go and the ATi Mobility Radeon X800. They are both PCI-Express cards. The 6800 is $37 cheaper, but at the total price, i don't see it mattering. Anyone used either of them, or know of any problems with either one?

please, no "ATi sucks" or "nVidia sucks" posts


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The Nvidia website claims thier Laptop 6800 is the fasted mobile Graphics Processor on the market.

As advertising Laws would prevent them from putting up such a statement unless it was true, I would gess that answers the question to how it would perform.

I have not had a Radeon for a few years now, since the 8500.
I also would like to know what people think of the Desktop X700 and 6600 Graphics Cards.

Sorry for posting this up, but I did ask in another thread and it was ignored.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2005 19:44
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Quote: " The Nvidia website claims thier Laptop 6800 is the fasted mobile Graphics Processor on the market."


From the ATi website:

Quote: " The world’s most powerful mobile graphics processor for High Definition (HD) gaming on PCI Express® notebooks"


i think it just depeneds on how they determine "fast" and "powerful", and they're probably both true

I think i'll just go for the 6800 and save me $37 bucks


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I think i would take the X800 really.. but i dont have PCI-E...

ok, now i would like to know what I should choose:

ATI 9600PRO or nVidia FX5700

both of them costs about the same. (~10$ difference)

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I've been unable to find the Geforce FX 5700.
Found the Radeon X700, and Geforce 6600 for the same price as the Radeon 9600 XT though. AGP versions that is.

Question I did ask in the other thread was, is it worth buying a Radeon X700 / Geforce 6600 over the 9600 XT or 5600 XT?

Another question is, would it be worth spending £50 more on getting the Radeon X700 PRO / Geforce 6600 GT?

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Posted: 14th Mar 2005 20:24 Edited at: 14th Mar 2005 20:25
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all i know is that the X800 is better than the 9000 series...
err, maybe thats wrong?? :S

I see you have a FX5200, is it any good? would you recommend a FX series card?

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oh, and is there a Radeon X series for the AGP?

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Apart from a Driver error about a year ago, I have found the Geforce FX 5200 to be a very reasonable stable card.

I only have the cheaper Standard version, from what I understand the Ultra version is quite a fair bit faster. I am capable of running almost every game on the market on Medium Settings with my system setup.

While it is a good card, it is starting to show it's age. So I am looking into a cheap upgrade.

I've been able to local AGP versions of the Radeon X700 and Geforce 6600 cards for £90 (approx. €130). Also for only £50 more found the faster PRO / GT Editions.

I would like to know if the extra speed of these version is worth it though. I mean no point in spending up to £150 on a new graphics card if it is just going to be useless by the end of the year.

I know that there is always the Radeon X800 and Geforce 6800 cards, however they seem to start at £180+, which I am just not willing to spend on a single peice of hardware right now.

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Wait for the dual core video cards.
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i think the laptop will be quite capable at the moment, and a dual core card will probably cost more than the ones avaliable now, and i don't have THAT much money to spend


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personally i'd go for the x800 rather than the 6800

lucas w: i think the x series is the next in the ati standard naming convention where the x stands for 10 (as in roman numerals) but a 9800 is still better than a x300, x800/x850 series are ati's top i think if you ignore the workstation firegl cards.
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6041806921&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=63943
there's a respectable pci graphics card, nothing special and only dx8.1 but it's pci and it can run games ok.

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I would strongly recommend against any card that is PCI or Radeon SE.

They are just not worth the money. A friend of mine has a Radeon 9200 SE, he bought it for £50 at the same time I bought my Geforce FX 5200. We have pretty similar set-ups, but his card can barely run many games.

They are both AGP8x cards, with 128MB RAM. It is the same as my other friend who has a Radeon 9600 SE, his card is only just faster than mine. Again on very similar set-ups.

Really I do not think alot of the Radeon budget cards. The mid-range though is something that interests me. The friends I have, either own the Budget (like me) or Performance Cards.

The Futuremark scores are confusing.
Scores I found for a system close to mine,

Athlon XP 1.8GHz 2600+, ranged for the 6600GT in Mark 05 from 2800..3500
To me this seems like a huge speed difference.

I only found a single entry for X700 cards, which was 3005. Problem is it doesn't note if that is the XT/PRO/Standard cards.

It appears that the RAM in Mark 05 has alot to do with the speed.
So that makes the 6600GT around the 3000 mark for my system.

Wish there was a 6600 to compare this too.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2005 02:38 Edited at: 15th Mar 2005 02:44
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hmm sorry looks like i got two threads mixed up i'm sure i saw someone looking for a pci card here somewhere just before i posted so i assumed it was in this thread.

i'd just read the "speed" thread a second before this one and sortof got them mixed together in my mind.

edit: as for the se range i find the 9800se is good value on ebuyer at ~£80, especially since some of them you can unloock to a 9800pro and then, with extra cooling, bios update to a 9800xt .

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6628919&type=product&id=1082519264724


That's an Agp version of the x800 pro 256mb.. i know someone asked if there was an agp version.



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$399.99, is too much for a graphics card though.
Is the concept of Mid-Range beyond most people?

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i asked for a agp version, but that is too much, i cant afford it..

but i found a nice 9600Pro from Sappire.. it was 88$ (that includes shipping and taxes and stuff) so i will go for that one i only got 60$ at the moment but in a month or so i will buy it.

cool, i never thought of the X series to be the 10000 series nice.
good thing you told me, it all makes sence now

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