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2D All the way! / I have a question related to graphics

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The Lone Programmer
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Posted: 31st Jan 2003 06:49
Ok I am new to this and I am waiting for my Dark Basic to come in the mail. While I am waiting I am trying to make graphics a related stuff.

I have a program that lets me make 3D stuff. MilkShape.
I dont want 3D graphics right now. I want to make 2D stuff.
Is there any good trial programs that will let me make very good 2D stuff.

I want Adobe Photoshop but I dont want to pay the money.

Does anyone recomend a program for me to download. If so what is it called and what is the download site.

Please post one.

Also while I am waiting, my db trial ran out. Is there anyway I can get it going again. I live a long way away from Europe and it will probably take a few weeks. I just cant wait that long.

Post to me please.
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WestSideWizard
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Posted: 31st Jan 2003 08:51
For decent trial drawing programs try...

Paint Shop Pro 7
http://www.jasc.com

or

RealDraw Pro 3
http://www.mediachance.com/realdraw/index.html
BackBONE
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Posted: 21st Feb 2003 11:44
I use Adobe Photoshop-Elements allso.
Its close to Photoshop 5 and under 120$.
Kanzure
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Posted: 21st Feb 2003 14:58
Theres also Adobe Elements 2, which is Elements for Adobe PhotoShop 7.

MS Paint is always good .
www.google.com/search?q=GFX+programs

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actarus
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Posted: 21st Feb 2003 16:14
SmokieMcpot...lol By any chance you like tea?

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CloseToPerfect
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Posted: 22nd Feb 2003 04:54
I use photoshop 7.0, and the simple paint that comes with windows.... but photoshop 7.0 is expensive, shame you can find it floating around on the web somewhere for free.......

indi
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Posted: 23rd Feb 2003 07:36
photoshop
illustrator
painter
zonerdraw3
canvas6
flash

QuothTheRaven
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Posted: 26th Feb 2003 02:23
all dangerously expensive if you dont pirate them, if you wanna be a great person and not pirate...

photo elements is a great program...
corel draw isn't *too* bad in price...
and there's always paint...good ol' paint...

Darken the skies, we are God.
large_nostril
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Posted: 26th Feb 2003 03:26
"corel draw isn't *too* bad in price..."
BS, it costs $429 from Corel and the lowest I've found it in online stores is $300 unless you get the "Educational" use one which requires proof of an educator status (you have to be a teacher). Or else you can get ESSENTIAL (not SUITE) for about $80, but ESSENTIALS sucks.

I suggest just using MS Paint for doing the basic designs and then getting PhotoShop, PaintShop Pro(PSP), or PhotoHouse to add the effects and touch-ups to it. Personally, I do most of my work in MS Paint and then edit it with PSP 7.

If you want fresh underwear in the morning, take it off the night before.
indi
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Posted: 26th Feb 2003 07:05
zonerdraw3
canvas6


these are free if u didnt realise.

the rest are expensive

indi
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Posted: 26th Feb 2003 07:06
corel is the worst application for drawing I have ever used in a professional capacity.

Killer Sponge
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Posted: 26th Feb 2003 14:18
i use PSP7. Fully registered by my m8, (god bless him and his large bank account) its a great program for 2d pictures with some great effects, but not really good for doing stuff like character drawings. Which is why I start in paint then move the image to PSP7. Have a go with it, its fun. (expectailly with the HUE UP function and then KALIEDOSCOPE effect!!)

Current Project: Lode Runner Db (Working Name)
indi
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Posted: 26th Feb 2003 15:14
psp7 is no way as big as sHop but does provide an alternative.

If u come from shop its sooooo limited with standard features u would find in Ps 4 +.

the ability to add shop filters is a goody.
Not all of them run properly which is a shame.

It has bad cropping and selection features

It doesnt perform well if u have a print document as compared to photoshop.

Lighting is also limited in comparison as well as managing paths and vector images.

still its a good budget alternative if u want to spend money on something when there are just as good applications for free that have the same abilities that psp has.

I tried psp 4 5 7 and this is what I can relate from my exposure to shop and painter and other higher end packages.

give zonerdraw3 pixia and canvas6(not 3dcanvas)

heads up peeps there free.

QuothTheRaven
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Posted: 26th Feb 2003 22:33
i'd agree with Indi, corel draw is pretty crappy. Corel PhotoPaint, however, which comes with the corel draw package, is very similiar to Photoshop, and a very good tool.

"Corel draw isn't *too* bad in price"
I stand by my statement.
Then you mention photoshop, which is obviously more expensive... =/

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large_nostril
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Posted: 27th Feb 2003 05:21
"I stand by my statement.
Then you mention photoshop, which is obviously more expensive... =/"
I know PS is more expensive, but to say that Draw is not too badly priced is not true.

Still, go with PSP (PaintShop Pro) 7 for $99 and you get PSP 8 free as soon as it comes out. Or else you can find PSP 7 for around 50 dollars in online stores.

If you want fresh underwear in the morning, take it off the night before.
indi
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Posted: 27th Feb 2003 06:29
Im showing u some pros and cons, u will ultimately decide what floats your boat.

actarus
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Posted: 27th Feb 2003 14:32
That Serif PhtoPlus you showed me,Indi...I use it all the time now.

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And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour!
indi
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Posted: 27th Feb 2003 14:59
hehe do u mean photoplus5 its great also.

$1 for a couple of liscenced formats and the rest is free.

u cant beat that hey

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