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Mnemonix
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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 18:16
This question goes out to some of the more financially or legal minded of you out there.

Im making a game, which involves creation of a company. Players and companies are a seperate entity in this game, and when you register, you are a player with 5000 personal wealth. You can use this 5000 to start a company, and you can choose to involve an outside investment (upto your investment, minus 10%, so in this case 4950).

So that would give the company 9950 to start with. How would the stock be distributed between the player, and the outside investor, and how would other players buy stock in the company.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 18:28 Edited at: 26th Apr 2005 18:28
I'm no financial expert (my dad is, actually ) but I think I've got a simplified version of what happens when a company floats:

If you as a company want to raise capital, you can issue shares. The company "goes public" in that the world at large is able to own portions of your company, in exchange for making you a bunch of money.

The company is valued by a third party. Let's say this valuation comes in a £10,000,000. Obviously, this is based on assets, profitability, the existing market .... If you were to issue 1,000,000 shares at £5 each, then someone could (in theory) own £5,000,000 worth of your company, then that person would own 50% of the company, and as such, would deserve 50% of the net profits you make.

I'm not sure how you decide how many shares you issue, or how you decide the price. However, I'm sure you realise that modelling the share price is quite difficult, since it depends on speculation/reporting on how profitable that company is.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 18:44
Thanks for this info. It helps greatly.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2005 22:48
You can actually issue as many shares as you like, at whatever price. However, if you issue £10,000,000 worth of shares, and your company is worth £5,000, you won't get any (intelligent) investors.

I have a Limited Company. There are 2 shares and 2 shareholders. Each share has a value of £1.00. However, the company is not on the stock market, so you can't buy them

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 02:23
If a company is on the stock market, and for arguments sake, the company is worth £1000. If I then issued £500 worth of stock and several people bought the lot, would that increase the companies worth to £1500?. If that sounds really stupid and obvious then forgive me.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 02:44
No. In order to calculate a company value a lot of things are important, like capital assets, expected performance, management, infrastructure, qualification of the personel and many, many more. Even with all these information it's difficult to appraise the value.


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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 03:45
The model I plan to use is how much money the company has in its vaults and how much stock (actual physical stock i.e. the kind you put in a warehouse). If that company issues stock, and somebody buys some of it, does that money then go to the company?

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 03:48
Yep that's what stocks are for.


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Mnemonix
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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 04:14
Good, thats practical enough for my game. I shall take all of this information into account. Thanks very much.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 05:30
You could keep it simple, but still realistic.

One biggie is how much a company is expected to be worth at a later date. That's the driving force of stocks and shares, what creates a futures market, and what caused the .com boom and bust.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 06:20
Well yes exactly. In my game, the fictional megaconglomerate called the nexus corporation(homage to Blade Runner) will invest in your company when its formed(up to 90% of what the player invested). Of course, if the stock is predicted to rise then the nexus corporation will keep its stock whilst other players will want an opportunity to buy into it. This could be very interesting, I must do more research on the subject though.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 07:23
Right

I have been thinking about this, and I have more questions.

Is the price per share calculated by the value of the company / number of shares?

Does issuing shares lower the share price or increase it?.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 07:30
In the stock market in my online game, each airline has a valuation which is the valuation of all their assets plus cash. If somebody goes public, and offers 1 million shares then each share is priced at one millionth the value of the company.

Buying shares in a company means you own the shares nad get divis, and hte money goes straight to the bank account for the airline in question.

No doubt my implementation is really crude, but it works

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 07:33
Alright, lets assume I am the chairman of company A.

A is worth 5000. I own 100 shares. Does that mean each share is worth 50?

I decide to go public, I issue a further 100 shares, does that drive me share price down to 25? (200 / 5000 = 25) and it increases as people buy the issued stock?

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Posted: 27th Apr 2005 08:44 Edited at: 27th Apr 2005 08:46
There are many ways to measure the value of a company. These are all used in different circumstances.

For example (and paraphrasing the correct technical names):

1. net asset value;
2. going concern value;
3. fire sale value;
4. balance sheet equity;
5. nominal share value;
6. market capitalisation value

Etc. etc.

For your game, what you seem to be talking about is market capitalisation value. One way of looking at this is the total value at the current stock exchange prices of all the shares issued by the company. So if the shares are trading at £10 each and there are a million issued shares, then the market capitalisation value is £10m.

This is quite different from nominal value. Nominal value is the value given to the share when first issued by the company. You can, for example, have shares with a nominal value of £1 which, because of how successful the company is, are actually being traded for £10.

Obviously a rights issue of the type proposed in the last post does (or should) decrease the value of the shares. If the company is worth £10m and there are 100 issued shares, each share is worth £10,000. If another 100 shares are issued then the value of each share should be halved to £5,000.

Note that this is all a simplification and assumes a rational market and rational investors. It is, for example, an indicia of irrational bubble markets (such as the Dutch tulip mania, the English south sea bubble and, in recent times, the internet stock mania) that rights issues actually cause the price of shares to INCREASE. This is usually the point where the sensible people sell and leave the idiots holding the baby when the market crashes. For a very entertaining and informative discussion of the operation of bubble economies, see Edward Chancellor's book: "Devil take the hindmost".

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