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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 10th May 2005 11:35 Edited at: 10th May 2005 11:38
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Hey all,
I need a british money expert here. In my game "Pirates of Port Royale" (http://expage.com/piratesmainpage), which takes place in the mid-late 1600's and early 1700's, i need to find out the money amounts. Ive googled it but i dont know what the value is from a 1600's and 1700's pound, pence, and shilling is if compared to modern day. This is part of the webpage, that gives prices in the days:
Quote: "4-lb. loaf of bread in 1600 about 3, or 4 pence
12 pounds of candles about 3 shillings.
Bottle of Gascony wine 2 shillings.
A chicken 1 penny.
Best beef about 3 pence per pound
Cost of meals for a Cambridge student, about 5 shillings/week.
A tankard of ale, about one half penny
Cost of a pair of stockings (probably fine hose) 15 shillings and up.
a Good pair of boots 4 to 10 pounds
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So if someone could please tell me the rate of a shilling or one of the other coins would have if compared to the present day american dollar or even the european pound, and ill convert it. Thanks ahead of time to all that reply.

EDIT: Oh and were these around then too? I dont get it.
Quote: "It then goes on to mention other coins used such as
the halfpenny, florin (2 shillings), half crown (2 shillings, 6 pence) and
guinea (21 shillings).
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cause why wouldnt you just pay 1 pound and a shilling instead of making a whole different coin, the guinea, for it?

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Posted: 10th May 2005 11:54
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I'm not sure about the first half ( Being Australian and all ), but for the second half, I'd say that they were just slang names for amounts... Maybe

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Posted: 10th May 2005 12:33
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Quote: "I'd say that they were just slang names for amounts... Maybe "

no cause theres another website that has pictures of them

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13 Pence To the Pound
26 Pence To the Shilling
Farthing is 6 Pence (hexagonal coin, they look snazzy)
Tuppence is 3 Pence (not the commonly mistaken 2pence)

Or atleast i think it's 26p, it might be 21p.. heh
Actually it might be that it's 21p for the Pound and 26p for the Shilling.

Lemme check, the second half stuff isn't slang they're real currency.
A Florin isn't British, it's Spanish.. used as an exchange coin.

I think the above is correct though.. but don't hold me to it yet ^_^

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ok, thanks, but on the few sites i looked at it was 1 shilling=12 pence, 20 shillings=1 pound, but that might have been the most recent, im not sure though. And also how much would u estimate 1 lb of wood would cost in the mid-late 1600's?

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heres what u want:

4-lb. loaf of bread in 1600 about 1.5 pounds
12 pounds of candles about 18.06 pounds
Bottle of Gascony wine 12.04 pounds
A chicken 0.5 pounds
Best beef about 1.5 pounds
Cost of meals for a Cambridge student, about 30.1 pounds/week.
A tankard of ale, about 0.25 pounds
Cost of a pair of stockings (probably fine hose) 90.29 pounds and up.
a Good pair of boots 481.54 to 1,203.85 pounds

btw, sry that they're all in pounds... should be easy to convert to pence and such though...

P.S. if im wrong on this, plz tell me.

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Posted: 10th May 2005 12:51 Edited at: 10th May 2005 12:51
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Quote: " And also how much would u estimate 1 lb of wood would cost in the mid-late 1600's?"


$2,500,414 so roughly converted to £6

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Posted: 10th May 2005 12:54 Edited at: 10th May 2005 12:58
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yeah I've just found some sites about it heh...

Shilling = 12 Pence (d)
Pound = 20 Shilling (s)
Guinea = 21 Pound (£)

Florin = 2s
Half-Crown = 2s-6d
SixPence = 2.5d



Alrighty now if you try to think of lumber being £1 = 2.5d
Just convert that, from what a peice of lumber would cost now.

I think it's like £25 for a peice of lumber 12'0" x 0'6" ... so £0 5s 2d? (0/5-2)

Sounds about right.

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some useful sites
http://www.wilkiecollins.demon.co.uk/coinage/coins.htm
http://www.botriphnie.org.uk/Glossary.htm
http://www.24carat.co.uk/denominationsframe.html (this ones is good for knowing when what was being used)
http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/units/money.htm (has some good pictures)



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Quote: "no cause theres another website that has pictures of them"


Ah Well, it was just a guess, lol.


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Quote: "$2,500,414 so roughly converted to £6"

lol

Quote: "I think it's like £25 for a peice of lumber 12'0" x 0'6" ... so £0 5s 2d? (0/5-2)"

k, thanks, but im from the US, so do u know how much thatd be in the US, im not sure how much wood costs though, never bought it, hehe. And thanks for the site .

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For the game, just use those values...

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k, i will, but now i need to come up with how much things should cost. Im going to bed, cya in the morning.

P.S. Im making a "Lumberyard Log" with fake sales for different people and stuff, and texturing it on paper, in the lumberyard on the desk, ill post some screenies tomorrow, but im quite proud of it, its not much, but i like it

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Why exactly do you need to know how much in USD it would cost?
The United States at that point was still using the native currency of thier homelands.

United States Dollars weren't introduced until sometime in the late 1700s iirc.

As I mentioned a price of a 12'0 x 0'6 peice of timer right now, is £25 (or $48). As £1 = 2.5d, this means that your looking at $1 = 1.2d

I personally would make up the exchange rates between UK and USD, because what you'll want is $1 = 0/10-6, to put it at roughly .7 the market value of the then GBP.

After all you don't need it to be perfectly historically accurate, just close enough.

Still a peice of Lumber would be around 0/5-2 which is 1/4 £1 or 1/2 $1

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Posted: 10th May 2005 22:59 Edited at: 10th May 2005 23:11
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ok, thanks

EDIT: o and
Quote: "Why exactly do you need to know how much in USD it would cost?"

so i can compare what i need to price for other things, such as food. So if i can see what it cost in the present day USD then i could translate it into the coins of the time.

Quote: "As I mentioned a price of a 12'0 x 0'6 peice of timer right now, is £25 (or $48). As £1 = 2.5d, this means that your looking at $1 = 1.2d
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dang its that much? for a 12ft X .5 ft piece of wood?

o and sry but what does it mean when you say:
1/2 and 0/2-4

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anyone?

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£/s-d
the other is a fraction

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I guess it's the unique "British" way of representing money, not our decimal system. And please, don't use inches, use centimeters, it'll make it world-happy and i'll enjoy it more.

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yeah it's the Imperial way of showing money.

~/5-2 would be how they'd write £0.5.2, so a decimal system doesn't really work very well anyways.

Especially as £0.5.2 != £0.52, but actually = £0.62 heh
Just as £1.0.0 != £1.00, but actually = £2.52

provded you'd take 1d = 1p
I don't see anything wrong with using Yard, Feet and Inches. Strange thing is while calculating for building i'll use Metric but when explaining distances or height i'll use imperial.

I think we use whatever seems easiest. It like you ask any American or European how many Inches are in a Centimeter and most will have to look it up; but Brits generally know it.

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Quote: "Quote: "no cause theres another website that has pictures of them"

Ah Well, it was just a guess, lol."


They weren't separate units - it's just like Americans call 5 cents or whatever a 'nickel'.

Facts are meaningless.
You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
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Quote: "They weren't separate units - it's just like Americans call 5 cents or whatever a 'nickel'."


Follow the links posted Dave

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Quote: "£/s-d
the other is a fraction
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oh, ok, thanks

Quote: " And please, don't use inches, use centimeters,"

i might, but sry since im american, i dont ever use centimeters as meters, just inches, but i know that 1 inch is about 2.6 centimeters or something like that.

Quote: "Especially as £0.5.2 != £0.52, but actually = £0.62 heh
Just as £1.0.0 != £1.00, but actually = £2.52 "

wow, im confused lol, how does (insert europe money symbol here, lol, dont know where it is ) .52=.62? and (that symbol again) 1.00=2.52?

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because it isn't .52, it's .5.2 ... because you have the three groups, Pound.Shilling.Pence thought i'd seperate them in a more understandable manner.
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Quote: "wow, im confused lol, how does (insert europe money symbol here, lol, dont know where it is ) .52=.62? and (that symbol again) 1.00=2.52?"


Raven's going between imperial and decimalised currency. He's saying that

£1 0s 0p (imperial) != £1.00 (decimal)

They're two separate currencies.

Quote: "insert europe money symbol here, lol, dont know where it is"


LMAO I wouldn't refer to it as the Europe Money Symbol, if you refer to the pound sign as the Euro then you may get alot of funny looks. The UK isn't a member of the single European currency (Euro), £ is completely British.

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