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famdylan
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Posted: 10th May 2005 15:21
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Hello all,
My name is Dylan and I am opening an 'indie' games store on my FPSC resource site for developers to be able to market their games without the worries of having to handle credit cards and web hosting and all that jazz.

The main thrust of the FPSCreators.com store will be to feature First Person Shooter games, however, I think there will be enough traffic to allow other genres of games into the store. If you are interested in selling your games please contact me through the email link here.

(Please note: We will be checking that your game has the licences it needs but we are also willing to help you get those licences if we need to. Contact us so we can work it out.)


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Ali
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Posted: 10th May 2005 20:26 Edited at: 10th May 2005 20:27
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Erm... I'd like to point out that although your intentions look good, your site is a resources site for developers... and developers don't buy games off their fellow developers.

I recommend that if you want to try this you make a seperate site just for the games that focuses on the average gamer rather than developer. But of course you need traffic in order for it to work, and that's something it looks from your site that you don't know much about.

Or by far the easiest thing to do for anyone who actually has a sellable game (which I haven't seen here yet) is to put it on the RegNow affiliate program and thousands of affiliates will distribute it for you.

In order for a game to be sellable it has to be perfect, and more importantly, professional. If you can get a similar game on the Net for free (which you can with most games) then your game is not going to sell.

Oh, and don't even think about pricing it low and hoping people will buy it because it's cheap, they don't.

<-- There's some advice from someone who has experience in this business.
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BatVink
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Posted: 10th May 2005 20:38
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I think you need to get past your "No resources have been submitted yet!" stage before you try to market games. You have no value-added content, there is nothing on the site that you can't find elsewhere.

Content is the driver for traffic. Without it, you will probably find yourself putting in a lot of effort for no return.

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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 10th May 2005 21:06
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I would be willing to sell a game or two on your site as a "test run" sort of thing under a few conditions:

1. I still have full owner and copyright rights over them
2. I am not selling it on the site "exclusively" and am free to sell elsewhere.
3. I need to know EXACTLY what cut YOU get out of the deal.

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Hawkeye
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Posted: 10th May 2005 21:18
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Quote: "Or by far the easiest thing to do for anyone who actually has a sellable game (which I haven't seen here yet)"


Quote: "In order for a game to be sellable it has to be perfect, and more importantly, professional. If you can get a similar game on the Net for free (which you can with most games) then your game is not going to sell."



Listen to Ali! FPSC games aren't, well, that fun to play. Add that the possible customer could buy FPSC instead of your game, AND that how massivly cheap people are on the internet, and... sorry

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Ali
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Posted: 10th May 2005 22:24
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Quote: "Content is the driver for traffic. Without it, you will probably find yourself putting in a lot of effort for no return."


No, it's really not. Keywords and backlinks are the driver for traffic. People don't see the content till they're already on your site.
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BatVink
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Posted: 10th May 2005 23:03
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Ali, maybe I wasn't very clear about what I said. I'm not talking about passing traffic. That kind of traffic is prety much a waste of bandwidth. For example, I could generate links for my site that are totally unrelated, but attract the kind of people I wouldn't spit on if they were on fire.

Returning traffic is generated by having a content-rich site. You need to give users a reason to come back, and keep coming back.

If you want to sell me software on a regular basis, I want to know what the benefits are of coming back to you, and not to somebody else. I want to know what added value I get, whether you can help me make the most of my software, if I can get hints and tips from your other customers, upgrades, add-ons, share my results via your site, discuss the cons as well as the pros, and so on.

If all you want to do to is sell me the software and nothing else...see you later.

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Ali
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Posted: 10th May 2005 23:11
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Quote: "Ali, maybe I wasn't very clear about what I said. I'm not talking about passing traffic. That kind of traffic is prety much a waste of bandwidth. For example, I could generate links for my site that are totally unrelated, but attract the kind of people I wouldn't spit on if they were on fire.

Returning traffic is generated by having a content-rich site. You need to give users a reason to come back, and keep coming back.

If you want to sell me software on a regular basis, I want to know what the benefits are of coming back to you, and not to somebody else. I want to know what added value I get, whether you can help me make the most of my software, if I can get hints and tips from your other customers, upgrades, add-ons, share my results via your site, discuss the cons as well as the pros, and so on.

If all you want to do to is sell me the software and nothing else...see you later."


Okay, that's fair enough if you're going for the returning traffic. I guess the best solution is a combination of the two as you need backlinks to get the visitors in the first place, and good content to keep them coming back.
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Peter H
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Posted: 10th May 2005 23:42
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Quote: "you need backlinks to get the visitors in the first place"

what are backlinks?

probably something i know about, but that i've just never heard called by that name

"We make the worst games in the universe."

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Ali
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Posted: 10th May 2005 23:47
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Quote: "what are backlinks?"


Backlinks are links from other sites to your site. They can be referred to as backlinks when you're talking about them from the perspective of the site that the links point to, as opposed to links on your site pointing to other sites (which are just links, or links out.)
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Peter H
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Posted: 11th May 2005 00:36
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Ahh...ok...thought it was something like that

I've got at least one really good back link from burnt soil, because it's on the caiman games site...where it's been downloaded 1109 times! With an average of 58 times per week (ok so it's a lot to me ) and they have multiple links in the review to my site...

my game has got a total of 2129 downloads, which i almost regret because that game was so full of bugs...and i hated it to death

--Peter

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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 11th May 2005 05:21
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In order for a game to be sellable it has to be perfect, and more importantly, professional. If you can get a similar game on the Net for free (which you can with most games) then your game is not going to sell."


Actually I have had quite a decent amount of experience in business, and that is one of the most untrue things I have heard. Sure having a good quality product is helpful but it is not needed. As long as you know how to market well, talk with potential customers, and have the willingness to adapt to new situations...you can sell just about anything. It's all about business and knowing you facts really well. A bit of Psychology never hurts in business either if you know how to apply it.

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Ali
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Posted: 11th May 2005 07:09
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Quote: "Actually I have had quite a decent amount of experience in business, and that is one of the most untrue things I have heard. Sure having a good quality product is helpful but it is not needed. As long as you know how to market well, talk with potential customers, and have the willingness to adapt to new situations...you can sell just about anything. It's all about business and knowing you facts really well. A bit of Psychology never hurts in business either if you know how to apply it."


What you've just said there is correct in general business. And what I said applies to selling games. All of what you said applies to selling a game, except when selling software you've got to compete with people giving away a similar product for free. Which is pretty serious competition to try and beat.

This is going to be my last post in this topic as I've had too much experience in other forums of people insisting that they know what they're talking about and that I don't, when I do actually have experience... and they don't. So after a while I give up.
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