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DBAlex
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Hmm...Today in my IT lesson the teacher had to explain to the class the difference between Hardware and Software...and he said if its Hardware you can kick it ?

So I can kick the teacher? Hes hardware?

anyway...Do you ever find your in a class full of retards...?




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Well, in a way he's correct I think. If you have something and you know that it IS either hardware OR software, you could ask yourself the question 'Can I kick it?' If the answer is yes, it is indeed hardware, and otherwise it's software... So in a way you could use this question to define the difference between hardware and software.

I'm sorry for any examples of my bad english that shows it's not my native language.

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My teacher used the phrase, "If you can touch it, it's hardware, otherwise it's software". Sort of the same

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Yes but hes just so retarded...

Like > if he doesnt know something he gets the other teacher to come in...or quickly grabs his "Access 97 Bible" > Were on Access 2000...


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People who do IT should know the difference between hardware and software anyway, There should be some exam before they can get into an IT class...so no retards who allways get D's...


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Posted: 17th May 2005 01:34
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Well if he told you the way to tell is to kick it then he obviously does know the difference.

The vast majority of IT teachers are not IT teachers by choice (they actually learnt to teach say Math and get roped into it). I'm sure this will change over time.

Besides, kids always reckon they know more than their teachers anyway.. regardless of the subject.. I certainly used to. It's a youth thing

(read: inbuilt mild arrogance)

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Posted: 17th May 2005 01:59
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lol, I think that must be It...

Its not him I hate though..Its the annoying kids asking for help!




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Posted: 17th May 2005 02:10
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Quote: "Its not him I hate though..Its the annoying kids asking for help!"


It's not there fault they dont know what to do, Some may not have the chance to use a computer and there homes.

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Arr tis true. Stupid people asking questions delays the lesson so you have to do less work!!! (assuming that you already know what he's teaching you which it sounds like you do).... so be grateful! More time to screw about....

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you can kick a CD,.and you call it software. and what about firmware?

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Posted: 17th May 2005 02:51
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Quote: ".and you call it software."


Actually , The stuff on it's software.

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Posted: 17th May 2005 02:57
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The CD itself isn't the software (you could argue it isn't hardware either, but it's certainly far more like hardware than software).

Same goes for firmware.

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Posted: 17th May 2005 03:01 Edited at: 17th May 2005 03:09
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A CD without data, is pointless, therefor not it's own entity
The CD is the program, if the CD is damaged the data is fuct

Yes, I'm going with that. A CD is software.

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A CD is just Media...

The data isnt really software either...It could just be files...

and about screwing about > I cant, They blocked access to TheGameCreators and these forums... .

and I asked for extra space today and they only gave me a measly 15mb... , I think a removable USB thumb drive is the solution to space problems...


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Posted: 17th May 2005 03:24 Edited at: 17th May 2005 03:25
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A CD without data is a CD without data, it simply has no little grooves laser etched into the surface. A CD with software has little grooves burned on it - that is the only actual physical difference between the two. The item itself hasn't changed.

The CD is nothing more than a lump of etched plastic, nothing about it even resembles software until a CD drive passes a laser over the surface and reads: it's part of a completely hardware process. If you consider a CD as software then you must also consider your hard drive as software, USB flash devices, media tapes, console cartridges, etc as software too.

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where's the guy with the l337 php when you need him? <look up "tgc is blocked at my school!" on the search>

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It was implied a CD with data on it.

Any data is considered software. A bit is software.

The Software is the data, the data is the bits, the bits are what are on the CD.

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Posted: 17th May 2005 03:45 Edited at: 17th May 2005 03:47
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A CD is a piece of media, ie. hardware. That is why you refer to the software as being 'on' the CD, rather than saying that the CD 'is' the software.

In addition, 'any data' is not software. Software is a set of instructions for a processor which causes it to perform a certain task. Hence database contents are not usually software, neither are the contents of my "Monty Python's Greatest Hits" CD.


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I agree, data/bytes/bits can be considered software - but bits aren't on the CD - teeny tiny notches are all that's actually on the CD. They aren't turned into bits/bytes/etc until the CD drive swipes the laser across the surface and performs this translation - without the translation they're nothing more than little grooves.

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monty pithon deja-vous anyone?

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My IT classes are rubbish. One of our teachers thinks hes so amzingly great just because He is the admin of the school network. See how he'd like it if i disconnected his server again...(Goes off grumbling about stuff)


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It is the same in my IT class. I am in england... i don't know if any1 else is... all the stupid people take up the teachers time and when he gets round to telling ius our work it is a load of rubbish that we did for the last 3 years!!

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Posted: 17th May 2005 04:59 Edited at: 17th May 2005 05:00
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well the notches represent.. eh yeah, dont really care


good arguement but really no reason

BLACKNINJA!!

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Quote: "The vast majority of IT teachers are not IT teachers by choice (they actually learnt to teach say Math and get roped into it). I'm sure this will change over time."

Mine is

I thought I would have something interesting to add to this conversation but nooo had to try and claim that CDs are software...my RAM is software too!!!!!

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Lol Stupid teachers always think they know more!


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I have something that's on everyone's mind:

"Who cares"

So some teacher is trying to explain software and hardware to a group of dolts. There are people in my school who can't work a calculator.

It's M-E-G-A-T-O-N. NOT MEGATRON.
DON'T MAKE ME GET THE RABBIT.
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Letters are letters.

Letters arranged a certain order however create poetry.

What is poetry? Just a mixture of letters. What is software? Just a mixture of 'bits'.

Facts are meaningless.
You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
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Lol. Megatron

People do care...Hence the 29 Replies?

But meh...You are Jimmys love child so who am i to say ?


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David T: and just as the letters aren't poetry unles in a certain order, bits aren't software unless arranged in a certain order.
[edit]not contradicting, just expanding[/edit]

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I care only because I got a E in the coursework....I've got one B and the rest As in English and did less pages!!!!

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Well if you already know all this stuff, why do you still take the class? Not everyone is a 1337 h4x0r. Obviously the ones that ask the question took that class for a goohe himself already knows and have the false belief that he is smarter than everyone else.

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What do you mean?

I AM smarter than everyone else... .

Umm, I took the class because I want a job in IT...

But its not IT...its MS Access... Thats just teh b00ring... and now they have blocking software...i neeed proxies ahhhhhhhhhhh.

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It's compulsary

EDIT:
Quote: "But its not IT...its MS Access..."

No, it's not IT, It's ICT

Don't hurt the penguin!

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bashing the penguin could have some very different meanings
edit: like in linux you would be executing it

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Lol...Wtf?

Hmm I guess I wont Bash the penguin...


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Quote: " bashing the penguin could have some very different meanings"


Ha Ha Ha rofl , Nice one

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I got it... But meh...






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Quote: "(read: inbuilt mild arrogance)"


Wait, where the hell did that 'mild' come from

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OMG RTSpider Looks like Frankie Munez

Him >

Frankie >http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3069/Events/3069/FrankieMun_Cohen_4901832_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Muniz,%20Frankie


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It's compulsary

I feel sorry for you! I would have rather spent it on anther, useful GCSE.

I 'C' T is purely a governmental subject. The great ideal of children being about the competantly produce party invites, run Access and be able to "search safe" on the internet.

I mean, where's the communication in IT? Programmers spend most of their time silently sitting in front of a computer (yeah, I konw there's emaio and MSN :X)

Computing on the other hand is a proper computer subject. Rather than be taught the obvious then come out with a useless qualification if you plan to work in the dev field then Computing teaches you all the nitty gritty like ASM, data structures, OOP and programming.

@neo - how on earth did you manage to get an E in the coursework? What did you have to do? Was yours too complex for the teacher?

Facts are meaningless.
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Well, IT at our school isnt compulsary at GCSE...But i chose It...

And luckily Ive managed to get an A* and an A in the coursework pieces weve done up to know.


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Quote: "@neo - how on earth did you manage to get an E in the coursework? What did you have to do? Was yours too complex for the teacher?"

Nah I didn't bother to forfil all the critia...waste of time my friend did far over 100 pages to get only an A...

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@Oneka:
Quote: "BTW you english typed isnt bad"
Thanks And what should I say.. Nice find, I guess, but I don't really see the similarity. Well, it tells alot about how people other than me see my appearance, I think

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