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ok so what type of programming is the easiest and hardest CODING (so gui is not included in like vb) such as game programming, driver programming(including virtual), os programming,ect

hardest: os
easiest: user end apps(such as word proccessors and media players that do nto relate to programming and require no computer literacy)

well there is my vote

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easiest: doing stuff with 3D objects, movement, and texturing
hardest: everything but doing stuff with 3D objects, movement, and texturing . Especially implemention into a game.

Video games…they take you places unreachable, unfeasible. Putting you in the book...putting you in the movie...putting you in a world, that before could only be imagined. expage.com/piratesmainpage.
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gil that's in db right?

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DBP . Hehe, im just really good with those things, and not good with many others, i can understand i just cant write.

Video games…they take you places unreachable, unfeasible. Putting you in the book...putting you in the movie...putting you in a world, that before could only be imagined. expage.com/piratesmainpage.
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If C++ than almost everything is the hard.

If DBP. AI and Path Finding. are hardest

If C++ easiest text based games

If DBP for easiest what Gil Galvanti said

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Easiest:
-Notepad

Hardest:
never tried, but OS programming sounds rather sophisticated(SP?)


Quote: "user end apps(such as word proccessors and media players that do nto relate to programming and require no computer literacy)"

have you ever tried making a WP or MP? yeah the GUI is really easy to design and make, but implementing what all those do, etc, it's a pain, trust me...WP are a LOT more than just a simple notepad app

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OS Development is actually ridiculously easy, unless you want to make it compatible with current standards. ^_^

I'd say personally..
Hardest : PHP CSS Modular Database Websites working in all Browsers identically.
Easiest : HTML Websites

Very different ends of the barrel for the same subject.
No doubt someone will have a problem with either being programming, but seriously I find complex websites to be far more of a headache and a pain than some of the supposidly complex stuff.

OS Development for example isn't hard until you start trying to make it compatible with other peoples stuff.

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html is programming, it's a mere script

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I think...

Easiest: The C++ console programs where you calculate tax, the ones they make you do in intro to programing classes, or possibly data management.

Hardest: Hardcore AI work, or combining several less difficult aspects of programming into one large program such as a game, or spacecraft navigation.

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Quote: "PHP CSS Modular Database Websites working in all Browsers identically."
css as in cascading style sheets? thats not hard! well making it work for all browser maybe. and my vote:

Hardest: id have to agree with BenDstraw, AI is fr*ggin hard! well maybe not that hard.

easyest: DBPRO!!!!! (easyest and most fun coding program ever!) although it is kind of hard to get used to it. im always going back to the tutorials for somethings like inkey commands

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Easyest: Dbpro/Db

Hardest: C++ ( It's not to hard )

And CSS is part of html.
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darkbasic

easiest: file handling
hardest: multiplayer


website languages

easiest: make links
hardest: anything php related?


delphi

easiest: text editor
hardest: dark basic ide or a 3d game..

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Hardest:
Advanced data handling in basic.
Supporting fantastical file formats designed by megalomaniac developers.

Easiest:
Most of the stuff in DBPro .

I often find that the areas you expect to be difficult are actually just big - like for example Chess AI, a lot of people would have you believe that programming chess AI is as tough as it gets. Everyone could write a chess game, it's not even believable AI, more like a logic puzzle, I mean chess AI is a data handling nightmare more than anything else. I find that lack of good math skills is the major drawback, often people waste time on code that could be solved with a simple formulae, I wish there were free online courses specifically for hobbiest developers, like physics math and all that other usefull stuff that some of us have forgotten.


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Quote: "hardest: os
easiest: user end apps"


Oh dear god

Quote: "hardest: anything php related?"


I'd say hardest in web is actually perl?

Hardest: Trying anything vaguely complex in ASM
Easiest: Anything basicy.

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You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
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Easiest: making an app/game
Hardest: making it bug free


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lol thus that is so true

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Hardest: C or C++

Easiest: LOGO!



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Quote: "Hardest : PHP CSS Modular Database Websites working in all Browsers identically."

That's very easy.. until you use complex JS and other stuff (only because IE is gay and doesn't follow standards)

Easiest: The spinning cube FPS thing
Hardest: Real AI

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Easiest: Menus (it has to be since all the n00bs do it first )

Hardest: Using a shader in DBPro when your video card is a GeForce 4 MX420

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Easiest: Text Games (I said easy not short time to make)

Hardest: Programming C in VI editor!!!

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Rock on Vi!! (Assuming you mean UNIX/LINUX Vi that is!)

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Easiest: Having primitives running about, colliding etc.

Hardest: Having skeletons work out how to walk across primitives.

Simple... yet fun!
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Quote: "Easiest : HTML Websites"


Doing it: Easy

Doing it well: Hard

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Hardest:
AI
Graphics engines

Easiest:
A calculator.

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Quote: "Programming C in VI editor"

Nonsense. I do it all of the time. Real programmers don't need keyword highlights, tooltips or context sensitive help

hardest : 3d mathematics, in any language
easiest : "Hello world", in any language

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the language "brainF**k" is the hardest ive seen way above anything else. its useless tho

the easiest is programming the video recorder

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easiest for me would be server work in visual basic, hardest would be direct x
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easiest: Creating a Brainf*** interpretor
hardest: Creating a C++ compiler

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Easiest: print "Hello, world!"
Hardest: 3D massively-multiplayer real-time strategy games

For once I have to partially agree with Raven in that writting an OS is not that hard unless you're making it from scratch, want to make it standard, and make it bug free. Try debugging a virtual-memory pager written in assembly attempting to run in a kernel in real time mode? That's easily one of the hardest tasks a programmer could ever have to do. But making a simply OS that can book on your machine and run .COM files isn't terribly hard. It's not necessarily easy but there are harder things out there.
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This is a totally pointless question.

You may as well ask: how long is a piece of string?

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Easiest - Starting a project

Hardest - Finishing it!


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i think i change my hardest to AI
i forgot about that and easiest would be ummmm making uhhh a fancy chess game but no 1 player mode

and yea i could see how os programming could not be hard but have an extra blanket of complexity right before the soft mattress of features and to where u could start programming in higher level languages

and i think the hardest thing to really learn is winsock nothing i find on the net actually tells what everything does it has little skips and u will see a command but dont know what it does

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Hardest - completing a program.game whatever
Easiest - Starting one

How many of you have completed every project? Infact how many of you have completed one project? Not many I suspect

Damnit....scraggle you beat me

Quote: "and i think the hardest thing to really learn is winsock nothing i find on the net actually tells what everything does it has little skips and u will see a command but dont know what it does"


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hmm im learning it in C/C++ not vb

and i have completed 3 or well 1 if u want to count it as 1 project
mplayer1.0,2.0.3.0 which i salvaged NO code from the previous and all of them have a ton of differences but anyway

what is really fun in theory(i have not tried it) is to think of every tiny part of an app as a project so u can think "oh yea well ive got 200 projects in just 1 .exe" lol

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fps ai can be extremely easy. Just download my black hole file on the codebase and you'll realise I've only featured 5 commands for ai, and even those are easy, things like point object and stuff like that.

the opponent shooting is easy:

point object enemy,px#,py#,pz#
gosub shoot_bullet


Shooting the bullet is actually more difficult than the ai itself and it is bloody easy!

What about ducking?

if object collision (bullet,invisible-cube-around-the-enemy)>0 then..
gosub duck_bullet


Yeah, by creating invisible object around enemies, you can fix many problems and not just ai+collision.

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Yeh after I wrote that I thought it was probably C++. It is quite a bit harder in C++!

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huh is that a typo or is it true

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ReneGade 12345 people were talking about good AI not just AI that can shoot you from across the map because its locked onto the players co-ordinates.

Good FPS AI would include:

Actually working out where the player is
Ducking behind objects for cover
Select the right weapon for the right situation
Working in teams with other bots
Inaccuracy, making them perfect killing machines won't work
Etc

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Easiest: ehrm... HTML.

Hardest: Game programming, and this not because of the coding but because of the balancing. It's seat of the pants kind of programming, and it you get the balance wrong, the best game concept becomes a bad game. In what other kind of coding does one have to juggle five or six different (and each in its own term complicated) disciplines like audio or directx, and then blending all of that into a coherent (and harmonic) whole.

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Hardest: Any code obstacle you haven't previously overcome.

Easiest: anything your overcome and put into practice. So writing code based on applied previous knowledge is as easy as it gets.

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Hardest: Programing in binary.

Easiest: Making someone else do the work for you, stealing the software, and calling it your own.

Easiest legal programming: html.
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