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Geek Culture / Any CDRom Gurus?

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doclar1
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Posted: 6th Feb 2003 23:34
I'm experimenting with my cdrom burner, and wondering
which specs are the best to burn to.

Specs:

Mode - 1 Joliet file system (64 letter)
Mode - 1 ISO-9660 file system (8 + 3 letter extendtion)

Mode - 2XA Joliet file system (64 letter)
Mode - 2XA ISO-9660 file system (8 + 3 letter extendtion)

I'm tring to find the most comatible burn method, so
that ALL cdroms will be able to read my burned disks.

I have Nero, Roxio, and CDClone for software, I find that
Roxio seems to work the best, but recently I wanted to
show a budding friend my DBPro accomplishments, and his
OLD Panasonic CDRom wouldn't read my burned disks.

Is there any CDRom Gurus that may hold the answers?

Or is there any ONE guru site that I can researh this?

Thanks

Regards,
Lawrence
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Posted: 6th Feb 2003 23:37
To be honest it doesn't really matter unless your going to use a very old CD-ROM drive or your going to use it on a system that doesn't use the latest books, in which case I think you're supposed to use mode 1.

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doclar1
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Posted: 6th Feb 2003 23:52
Thanks MrTAToad;


We'll shoot for that initially, But I think I'm going
to burn all four modes and try that, but I think your
very much correct mode-1 seems to be the most compatible
across the board, at least with older cdroms running
Windows 98SE

Thanks Again!!

Lawrence

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Lawrence
MrTAToad
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Posted: 6th Feb 2003 23:59
Be interesting to see how it goes...

Good news everyone! I really am THAT good...
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doclar1
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Posted: 7th Feb 2003 01:52
I'll keep ya posted on the findings,


Thanks for all your help, very much appreciated!!


Regards,
Lawrence

Regards,
Lawrence
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Posted: 7th Feb 2003 05:13
Mode 1 ISO-9660 is most compatible...

Win95 can't read Joilet properly
CD-Roms under 12x can't read XA mode

but its all about the target system really

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indi
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Posted: 7th Feb 2003 05:27
hybrid dual mac/iso9660 are usually what u want to use in a better commercial sense.

when making a director movie presentation instead of having two copies of the same file u make a stub which directs the player from either side of the disc.

You can then place media in the form of videos sounds music and images for what ever side doesnt have the actual game or u can place both demos on wither side if u had a dual application.

its always best to monitor your filename sizes and keep em short n neat and even tho its not mandatory to watch out for spaces I still do in case u want to port the whole shebang into a live web application that accompanys the cdrom or is a mirror of it.

you will want to make an inf file to auto start the pc side, the mac side can only be started automatically if the autostart cd feature is on but a few years back that was a delivery point for a chinese dragon virus so we all switched that off, at least the ones who knew did.
The virus is not bad but annpying as hell

u can also work out the speed you really need in a general way without getting too specific

each x speed is roughly 150k/sec so if u have to deliver a fairly high quality video you would want to burn it to a faster disc than a non video type interface and simple imagery and text.

eg: 4x 600k/sec
eg: 8x 1200k/sec

it caps off tho as i think the latter drives use a buffering system in a progressive larger size to emulate
true read speeds.

as always when u burn a disc for public consumption its always best to close the disc off or finalise it.

mode2 XMA red books are usually in the form of mixed media like psx discs.

there are different formats in the form of colour book names
red book orange book yellow book
they are just formats

Raven Vegeta
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Posted: 7th Feb 2003 11:30
lol Raven. His question have already been answered exactly like ur answer. No need of redundant post, like u always do Diferently from indi, u did no add anything to his question... think about it. U do it in about every topic here buddy . There's no competition...

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Posted: 7th Feb 2003 14:54
Original PC CDROM drives have always had trouble reading CDR's and CDRW's. Anything over 4x speed should be OK, but 4x or below may have problems.
doclar1
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Posted: 7th Feb 2003 21:48
"Well, both Mode-1 Joliet and Mode-1 ISO-9660 worked fine,
although it appeared that the one burned with Mode-1 Joliet
system, read faster when inserted into the CDRom" Success
at last, by the way when you first install burning software
it seems to want to make Mode-2 XA ISO-9660 the default, at
least on my sytem.

The Final Results:

Mode-1 Joliet (compatible - appeared faster)
Mode-1 ISO-9660 (compatible)
----------------------------------
Mode-2 XA Joliet (DIDN'T WORK)
Mode-2 ISO-9660 (DIDN'T WORK)


*Note both mode-2 CDR's sat in the CDRom for approx 3 min
before reporting "Can't read error!"


I want to thank all of you for your "input and enlightment"



Regards,
Lawrence

Regards,
Lawrence
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Posted: 7th Feb 2003 21:51
No problem.

Good news everyone! I really am THAT good...
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Posted: 8th Feb 2003 08:48
=P ISO is a CD image... o_O and joilet is french... O_O thats all I know...

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Posted: 8th Feb 2003 11:41
www.cdfreaks.com

Alcohol 120% is the best software to burn the formats you want.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2003 11:42
Alternatives are: BlindWrite and CDRWin, but these are less compatible. CloneCD works quite well.

However, some CD drives just have trouble with non-standard disks and particularly Mode 2 disks.

Never use Roxio, it is absolutely rubbish.

NOBODY has a forum name as stupid as Darth Shader. I do.
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Posted: 8th Feb 2003 16:31
pah! don't listen to Shader... Roxio is a great CD/DvD Write/ReWrite product.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2003 21:21
"pah! don't listen to Shader... Roxio is a great CD/DvD Write/ReWrite product"

I write software which deals with ISOs in these modes - And I can confirm that Roxio is the worst CDROM software for this task. Nero is quite good but Alcohol 120% in the best - plus it is very cheap and you can actually use it for free if you can put up with a short nag screen.

NOBODY has a forum name as stupid as Darth Shader. I do.
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Yup... I'm forced to use B's Clip and B's Recorder 5 Gold with my sony 48x-24x-48x... o_O I like it... it is decent software...

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Posted: 8th Feb 2003 22:21
i'm not sure how writing softare for the cdrom formats would have to do with the record software.

been using Roxio for years now and never had any problems with it ... i really don't understand your problem with it.

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Posted: 8th Feb 2003 23:04
The thing is, Raven has one of those Roxio, so it's the best ^_^. Or else, why should he have bought it huh? A so famous guy, who write many articles to magazines and is internationaly famous, working at E.A and created games like Tomb Raider and C&C Generals could NOT make a mistake buying a burner... This about this b4 arguing with Raven, he is always right

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look masked your a fool ... the point is quite simple, if the software is so crap then why is it what is generally used commercially?
oftnely the money grubbers try to save the most money fobbing us off with the almost pathetic software which costs them as little as possible.

Yet Roxio's EasyCD, Engraver and DvDBurn are the most used and most expensive you can get on the pro licence.
And it is the ONLY one which Shader always picks on ... yet i don't understand why as i've never had a problem with it, other people i know who use platinum have never had a problem with it. And you can very easily upgrade it with the SDK which is quite simple to use.

He's always promoting Nero, which i lost and entire batch of around 20cd's out of 30 on burns - so it makes no sense.
perhaps if you stopped being an ass and looked into things than just making lude comments all the time about my past, then perhaps you might see the same kinda sense.

And you still havn't ansered my question to you from the other post ... you claimed you were me, so go back to DG's post and read the question - its a simple yes or no answer.

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Getting a lil outta hand in here... o_O you two calm down...

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"look masked your a fool"

Who were you directing that at?

Roxio is good software for beginners but not for pro users. For 1001 and one reasons why visit:

http://www.cdfreaks.com

Alcohol 120% is FREE, and very good software - I have never found a single burner that didn't work properly with it. As for EasyCD, I have at least 1 just on my home machines (1 out of 8) that don't work correctly with some ISOs. Nero 5.5 works perfectly with all CD recorders.

NOBODY has a forum name as stupid as Darth Shader. I do.
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As for DVDBurn and Engraver - they are okay. I am really only directing my criticism at EasyCD, sorry if you were confused. EasyCD often causes problems with computers if you try to remove it or use other burning software... but that is another matter.

NOBODY has a forum name as stupid as Darth Shader. I do.
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lol well i've never tried to remove it... and its the only software which is 100% compatible with the CDR/RW and DvDR/RWs i have - but then again i only buy philips cause they're quiet and reliable

its weird though because even Windows' copying works 100% of the time, yet Nero is a hit and miss affair.
I'm also very happy with the front to it, i mean EasyCD Basic isn't much cop - but then again its the free bundled software. Platinum is fine thou

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There's nothing wrong with Nero. It's u who does not know how to use it, obviously, as u don't know how to use windows either.
The thing is, u have a bad burner. Also, if u try to burn CD's and u keep using ur hard drive (surfing, playin games) the transfer data from ur hard drive will be less than the burner requires and the copying will fail. To get around this, do not use ur computer while burning. Staying away from DB forum for 4 minutes won't kill u and will make us all happy (^_^). Some Burners can backbuffer data before burn it, so it won't destroy CD's. To conclude then, u have a bad burner, u don't know how to use Windows, You don't know how to use Nero and u don't know how a hard drive works... Poor u (^_^)

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Nero has always worked perfectly for me - but computers are as computers are - what works for one is poison for another. I suggest Doclar just try them all. I just suggest that you should try EasyCD last because it is known to cause problems with other burning software.

NOBODY has a forum name as stupid as Darth Shader. I do.
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Got to admit I live by Nero, there's nothing it can't do and the discs are always readable elsewhere (unless the media itself is just crappy and cheap!) but thanks for the heads-up on Alchol 120% Darth, am downloading it now and it looks superb.

Cheers,

Rich

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Although, I hasten to add, I don't know why you said it's free - their web site claims it's £30!

Cheers,

Rich

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i think its adware... if you can live with the popups its fully featured

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i use neuro, ahhh, it works and works well.

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u sound like a moron when proven wrong and still try to grasp at crap robby bobby

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haha

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