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TKF15H
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 04:09
Today a guy at work asked me to make a little program for him. This program displays a map of the city and allows him to put dots on it that represents clients. When he clicks on a dot, he can write stuff about the client (client name, address, phone number, bla bla bla). He also wants to be able to search for a client by name or something and the program will highlight the corresponding dot on the map.

This is all really simple and easy to do. So simple that I'm afraid to charge by line-of-code as there's barely going to be much code. I can't charge by the hour either, as I'm going to be doing the coding at home, in my free time. Anybody got any tips?

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Flindiana Jones
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 04:12 Edited at: 1st Jul 2005 04:13
Beat him on the head with a big stick untill he agrees to give you 1,000,000 dollars!

OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 04:15
Whenever anyone says something is going to be easy, you can be sure it wont be.

TKF15H
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 05:09 Edited at: 1st Jul 2005 05:10
Quote: " Whenever anyone says something is going to be easy, you can be sure it wont be."

I've done something similar before for private use so I know it really is easy. I'm gonna use VB as it's perfect for the job.

Quote: " Beat him on the head with a big stick untill he agrees to give you 1,000,000 dollars!"

Hmm... worth a shot...

Quote: "T1 = Time Listining To You Yap About Cost"

I like that.

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Keaz
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 05:17
I used to work @ a mechanic shop were it was as follows:
Hourly rate
$15.00 Normal Rate
$25.00 if you worked on it first
$40.00 if you want to watch
$75.00 if you want to help
(Note: All prices are DOUBLE if you come back tomorrow.)

Breaking Stuff=Fun!,Bug Testing<>Fun!, Bug Testing=Breaking Stuff, so...
Bug Testing=Fun! Hmmmm....
DOES NOT COMPUTE! SYSTEM MALFUNTION!
Dazzag
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 05:19 Edited at: 1st Jul 2005 05:20
We charge about £1000-1500 a day (~$2700), depending on job (PMs are supposed to be worth more than the programmers, although we actually design everything too - unlike elsewhere). Say it takes you about 4 days all in. So charge about £3k (bit of a steal) and negotiate from there. One of our customers employed someone who earned about £400 a day (6 days a week) as an adviser programmer (cheap at half the price he used to laugh into our not-laughing faces). Didn't do much (we did most of the work), but now and again he would trump up some VB program he made in his spare time and charge our customer about £20k a throw. How we all laughed (I don't actually *earn* £1500 a day, I just make it for the company....)

Oh, and I would really charge about £25 a day. So 4 days gives you a nice round £100, and no-one feels ripped off. Plus, technically, you get to put something on your CV. And remember most of the time you rarely get software that fits your needs exactly off the shelf, so he will probably be alright spending a little more for a bespoke system.

Heh, once me and a mate (when we were 18) went to Liverpool and stayed with this rich accountant friend so we could write a stock control program for this really rough client who ran this rough as hell pub (10p a pint for us though ). On a PCW (old crap PC). Think we charged him £50 in the end, and sweated blood to get that finished (between the mists of alcohol 99% of the time). Looked at the code later (when sober about 6 months later) and realised that it would go wrong (although really stealthly) after about 50 items were stored on it. Doh. Thought he would kill us when he found out, but luckily he was chucked inside for a few years due to cock ups in his accounting and stock control I saw the pub again a couple of years ago on TV on this "Cops" type ripoff where we travelled with the armed response police in really troubled areas (machine gun carrying coppers). Oh yes, there it was, just the same as a decade or so earlier. Heh, it was so rough that the winner of the regional Karioke contest there basically got up and just stood there swearing for 5 minutes (no singing, just swearing). Got to laugh

Cheers

Ps. Connect it into GPS code and would be well cool

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 05:29
Wow


PCW`s rock

You actually had to be clever to use one. Idiots couldnt do it

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BatVink
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 05:40 Edited at: 1st Jul 2005 05:41
Quote: "I've done something similar before for private use so I know it really is easy"


What he said he wanted may be easy, but you need to cover yourself for what he realises he wants when you show him the draft version. Seriously...don't under value yourself, it's easy to come down in price, and virtually impossible to go up. He may also tell his mates what a good job you did. "I know this guy, and he's really cheap"...now you are in a fix.

Work out an hourly rate you would be happy with, and multiply the time you reckon on spending on it by 1.5, at least.

Quote: "PCW`s rock"

Oh yes! PCW8256, we couldn't afford the double-disked 8512.

By the way it wasn't a "PC" as we know them, it was Z80 based, not 8086 based.

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Keaz
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 06:01
Wow! Like my old TRS-80 Model 1. It was Z80 based and had 4k Ram and used a sequential access tape drive. My Model 3 had 2 floppies and 64K RAM and I got TRS-DOS for it. The Atari 2600 was Z80 based and so was my TI-80 calculator(a smaller low power version).

Breaking Stuff=Fun!,Bug Testing<>Fun!, Bug Testing=Breaking Stuff, so...
Bug Testing=Fun! Hmmmm....
DOES NOT COMPUTE! SYSTEM MALFUNTION!
Dazzag
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 07:30
Quote: "By the way it wasn't a "PC" as we know them, it was Z80 based, not 8086 based"
Yeah, but lets not confuse people who grew up with Xth generation GUI's, let alone text based piles of poo

Heh, I remember that we didn't have a manual for it, and we basically didn't know even how to edit things properly. Lots of mucking around essentially. Didn't realise you could stop a scrolling listing until near the end of the month Ah, and then there was the massive reprogramming of the thing once we realised we had reached it's memory limits (we didn't know what they were until we hit them). Even then it was a pile of rubbish (1991ish). But to avoid work, watch MTV (novelty for us back then), and drink lots and lots of rum, then we basically coded what looked like (not then obviously) the Matrix film code scrolling down the screen. What with green screen (with auto cool effect blurring cos screen was crap) and random characters scrolling up at different speeds, it was amazingly similar when I watched the film years later. Our accountant thought it was "rebuilding the stock system". If only I had said Matrix instead! Would have been perfectly ok to say that at the time too. Rats. She totally believed it, and left us to get plastered, safe in the knowledge that we couldn't do anything while it "re-compiled". He he he

Cheers

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indi
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Posted: 1st Jul 2005 11:34
with any project, it can turn into larger scale projects. get a contract and charge perhaps 20% less as what you would at work. theres no point in undermining your skills too far if they are valid skills

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TKF15H
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Posted: 2nd Jul 2005 09:51
Thanks indi, I'll do that. All I have to work out now is how to display a huge map (over 100mb as a 8bit BMP) on a computer with limited memory...
But first I shall raid the fridge

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Oneka
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Posted: 2nd Jul 2005 13:22
heh..your helping him create a murder plan xD and your the accomplice....

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TKF15H
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Posted: 2nd Jul 2005 13:54
so long as it isn't someone I know...

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