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FPSC Classic Product Chat / A question for the creators

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the graphic man
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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 00:33
when V1 of fpsc comes out, would the poeple who have brought the version that is already out have to pay the full price?
Dory The Cable Guy
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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 02:03
just shipping and handleing. but if i were you, i would wait until V1 comes out, as the EA is, ahh, unstable and slow. but thats just me.
the graphic man
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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 05:29
ah thats brilliant. and i have to agree fpsc ea is pretty slow, i cant wait for v1 to come out, thanks for your help
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Posted: 13th Jul 2005 20:17
You only need to pay the diference.
V1 Price - EA Version Price = Price you Pay

You can see in: http://www.fpscreator.com/ea.php
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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 03:08
Hmmmm...

I was with the understanding that V1 upgrade was going to be free when it became available? But now it looks like we will have to pay for it now!

Plus having to wait for it through the snail mail services..

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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 03:52
You dont visit here very often, do you?
Dory The Cable Guy
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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 04:45
no, just shipping and hanleing, or thats what i last heard.

I'll be back, but only after i get my ice creem!
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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 14:53
@ brushswinger

Quote: "You dont visit here very often, do you?"


No actually I do come here quite often, I just don't visit the forums as regular as I should. But I did hear that before though about v1 upgrade being free when it became available.

@Terminator

I wish TGC would just post a download link to the 'V1' upgrade..
This would make it alot more easier for everybody to get ahold of it right away without having to wait for it through the very Slooooooooow mailing services. I vote for a second option to be given for thoes who have broadband services.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2005 15:55
Thats a good idea... I'll ask Lee about it.

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Quote: "I wish TGC would just post a download link to the 'V1' upgrade..
This would make it alot more easier for everybody to get ahold of it right away without having to wait for it through the very Slooooooooow mailing services. I vote for a second option to be given for thoes who have broadband services. "


Computer Technition...
Look up the word BANDWIDTH.
Look up word DVD.
The FPSC EA download is 400mb...
EA probally include the bandwith charges...

ALSO Lee wants this to be professional. You really shouldn't be able to grab a download from a site because downloads can be traced. People can link the downloads. lots of little bugs. Of course people might upload V1 anyways, it is just a way of preventing that sort of thing.

Also 3-5 days delivery isn't that long... sometimes it is sooner.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 03:22
But, ahhh, they ship from Eangland, lots of us live in the U,S., so... I mean, when i got T#DGM for my little brother, it took like 2 1/2 weeks

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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 04:35
If They're going to mail it physicly to you, Then they might as well Have it in stores for sale.

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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 16:29
@ Merranvo

Quote: "Computer Technition..."


Learn how to spell --> Computer Technician... Not --> Computer Technition?!???

Quote: "Look up the word BANDWIDTH.
Look up word DVD.
The FPSC EA download is 400mb...
EA probally include the bandwith charges..."


So what's your point? Alot of companies have downloadable links to thier software. This has been done ever since the internet started getting popular amongst the world.

Quote: "ALSO Lee wants this to be professional."


Thier are alot of very professional companies out there that have thier software available via downloadable links for the convience of thier customers! It's all about customer service satisfaction here. Most professional companies want to make it easy & convient for thier customers.

Quote: "You really shouldn't be able to grab a download from a site because downloads can be traced."


Not if the company or companies in question have the right secure software to protect thier interest here & have very secure servers for the task. If this was such a terrible threat to them or any other company for that matter.. Then how & why would anybody want to buy any software products from TGC or any other company for that matter to turn around after the long development time on thier game(s) projects to sell them as shareware.. (Which are sold via downloadable links from such sites as ShareIt.com & others)?!??
Because you'll find most software today are available though downloadable links once more! And the bandwidth wouldn't be a problem either because companies like TGC have thier own servers & thus can comfortably afford the bandwidth for thier own products.

Quote: "People can link the downloads."


Once again!! Not if they have good enough software & secure servers to protect thier products in question here.

Quote: "lots of little bugs."


Like what?

Quote: "Of course people might upload V1 anyways, it is just a way of preventing that sort of thing."


Yeah.. A possible customer of TGC could break the license agreement for the product, And thus upload it to either thier own website, Or another one. But TGC like Conitec Data Systems, Has also managed to create a way to track down and find which titles are actually legit, And the ones that are not! And once they track back where the original file came from.. They normally would contact that user & also terminate thier account with them to prevent them from obtaining future updates to be distributed like this! They are not idiots here! Plus I've heard from alot of others about how TGC has put alot of time in on copy-protection on thier software products.

Quote: "Also 3-5 days delivery isn't that long... sometimes it is sooner."


You live in the UK where TGC is also.. So your delivery time will be alot shorter than others accross seas like alot of us here in the good ol' USA. Like what CDBGames said.. It will take roughly around 2 1/2 weeks before we would get our copies over here! So a downloadable link option would be alot more convient for other TGC customers.

Best Regards,

DoctorWho...
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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 19:46
Took me 34 days to get DBP here. But I still want it on CD as it will most likely be much larger than the EA 400MB download and I don't want to wait that long with my internet tied up.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 05:28 Edited at: 26th Jul 2005 05:29
Well I guess it really depends on your service provider here.
My service provider is really fast!! On TGC's servers I was hitting almost 5megs/sec on a download stream.. So even if the download was like almost 1gig in size.. I still would have it in no time flat going at that rate of speed.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 12:20
What type of connection do you have. The best download speed I can get via http is 2.5 megs/seacond. Now, FTP, thats a differant story. I got like, 4.5 via ftp.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 14:57 Edited at: 26th Jul 2005 15:22
Who...

Stop breaking my posts down word by word, Just reply

Why can't I go to Blizzard.com, enter my Activation Code and download WOW? (Well, I don't see the option), besides, this presents the issue of software stealing... I can google "WoW activation code" and probally get 100 direct hits... if it was a small download exe I can Google "WoW download" and get mabey 20 hits. Stealing is in.

How did you get 5mps... evilman, I only have 1mps currently and will get stuck with dialup in a short while...

Quote: "shareware.. (Which are sold via downloadable links from such sites as ShareIt.com & others)?!??"

Last I heard, shareware was a free trial...

P.S. There seems to be a LOT of serial cracks out... more then I really thought... can't post sites here though.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 15:53
Sorry -OT-
[Why can't I go to Blizzard.com, enter my Activation Code and download WOW?] yay WOW!
Sorry, resume bickering ...or helping...carry on.


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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 16:25
Bickering, Helping. All the same...

You know... They need to incorporate RPG design into FPSC... although it would break the "FPS" part of FPSC.

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how so? and what do you mean 'break"? like codewise screw things up, or break the feel? Morrowwind is FPS and its a pretty decent and expansive game. BTW I wasn't pointing figers about the bickering/helping comment. Just showin some love for WOW- The life devourer.lol


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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 16:50
FPS means First Person Shooter... I don't see how a good RPG can be formed around shooters (And no, Lee has already stated that FPSC will be for FPS' only.)

And I was making a joke about the bickering/helping. I hate the stiffs that are beginning to inhabit these forums... hate roleplaying in threads, hate changing the topic even if the topic is now dead, hate small grammatical errors, hate ANY spelling errors. Hate Word Association. Well... you get the idea. It is clutter on the board, but it ADDS LIFE.

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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 17:19
Merranvo

Quote: "Who...

Stop breaking my posts down word by word, Just reply "


Excuse me? I think I have a perfect right to post here in the manner I see fit! As long as Im' not using profanity or dis-respecting TGC or anybody else here for that manner. And what gives you the right to tell me how to post here? I don't tell you how to post your replies.. So please don't tell me how to post mine!!!
Besides anyway.. I use this method to clearly answer other post-replies.

Quote: "Why can't I go to Blizzard.com, enter my Activation Code and download WOW? (Well, I don't see the option), besides, this presents the issue of software stealing..."


You don't see the option huh? You must not of purchased much software online then have you? Then why do TGC use a Activation method for activating updates to DBPro then? When you purchased FPS Creator, Did you not recieve an email with a downloadable link in order to download the EA Release of FPSC? Have you tried to download from that link recently? I would almost bet if you was to try it now, That you would find that link in your email order is now expired! Why does companies like ShareIt have a downloadable link that is only active for a certain number of hours before the link is deactivated then? Like I said man.. TGC & these other companies are not stupid here! They can easily offer any of thier software products online securly without having to worry to much about anybody stealing thier software like you mentioned above. The only way they could steal such software, Is for the customer to forward the link to a friend or other before the link expires.. And even then, They wouldn't lose much at all! Plus such companies as TGC & others also record every IP address that access's thier servers. So go figure!

Quote: "I can google "WoW activation code" and probally get 100 direct hits... if it was a small download exe I can Google "WoW download" and get mabey 20 hits. Stealing is in."


Who in the heck couldn't!! I never said that software piracy was obsolete man, Anybody can goto google or any search engine and type in a certain application and more than likely get serval hits to cracks, serials, keygens and the like. But like I said earlier too, it takes one of thier customers to do this in order for it to get out there like that. And TGC & other companies like Conitec DataSystems have a way of tracking the software back to the original customer. Piracy is a thing that will never go way, And most companies like TGC & others realize that already, And they also realize that they will more than likely have a few of thier titles out there in the software piracy realm.. In the software business like this, you can't avoid such things! You have to deal with it like everybody else does too!

Quote: "I know that there are some download sites, some even host big files, but alot of them don't really host anything of value. They mostly try to charge you to download stuff there."


Hmmmmmm... Interesting!!! You seem to be very knowledgeable of such things... It almost sounds like you visit such sites on a regular basis according to your own words stated here. Didn't you also say that hackers/pirates goto such sites? Then how would you know in such detail of these sites if you hadn't visited them yourself?

Quote: "And as rule of thumb, unknown comapanies are safer against piracy then known companies."


How would you know this? Give some details explaining this?

Quote: "This is undebatable, if many people know something exists then mabey .001% will be hackers (mabey less) so the more people that know of something the higher the chance that those are hackers/pirates."


In todays world that we live in Merranvo, Most software companies realize that they can't stop software piracy even with the most advanced protection schemes that there is. There is always going to be someone out there that will reverse-engineer almost anything!! Plus most companies like TGC & others are not to concerned with a few hackers/pirates that are out there! They actually expect this! It's the majority of people out there that they are concerned with, And the majority of the mass's don't have a clue as to how to reverse-engineer any software title.. TGC & other software companies are still going to make thier monies off of thier software products guaranteed!! So why don't you do the research, And you'll see that having a second option for others to download the 'V1' Update isn't only a convience, But it is also quite often used by the majority of software companies today!


Quote: "How did you get 5mps... evilman, I only have 1mps currently and will get stuck with dialup in a short while..."


My service provider is BrightHouse networks.. They have very solid networks, And ever since they upgrade thier servers, My connections on most well known sites like TGC & others. Have gave me between 4.5 to 5.0 mbs on a download stream. and it's great too!
Sorry to hear about you going back to dial-up again.. That suck's!

Quote: "Last I heard, shareware was a free trial..."


OMG!!! You surely should know what shareware means! An individual or small development company makes a software title. They normally host the entire software on such sites as download.com, Tucows, Shareware.org, and other shareware & download websites. The software title in question normally has a registration method for allowing the software title to be unlocked for permanate use to the end-user. a user downloads the software title and tries it out for the time-duration given. If the end-user doesn't like it, Or the end-user doesn't think it's worth the money asked for it.. then the end-user can simply delete it from thier system. If they want it.. then they pay the registration fee and recieve a serial number to unlock the application. small time developers use this method of distribution of thier software tiltes versus having them go through a publisher for retail purposes. Now you know!

Quote: "P.S. There seems to be a LOT of serial cracks out... more then I really thought... can't post sites here though."


OMG!! You do goto hacker/pirate sites then don't you!!!
And yet you say what you do about TGC not posting a downloadable link for the 'V1' update!!

Best Regards,

DoctorWho...
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Quote: "OMG!!! You surely should know what shareware means! An individual or small development company makes a software title. They normally host the entire software on such sites as download.com, Tucows, Shareware.org, and other shareware & download websites. The software title in question normally has a registration method for allowing the software title to be unlocked for permanate use to the end-user. a user downloads the software title and tries it out for the time-duration given. If the end-user doesn't like it, Or the end-user doesn't think it's worth the money asked for it.. then the end-user can simply delete it from thier system. If they want it.. then they pay the registration fee and recieve a serial number to unlock the application. small time developers use this method of distribution of thier software tiltes versus having them go through a publisher for retail purposes. Now you know!"


ROFL, You said Merranvo was wrong, Then you just basically said the exact same thing.




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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 19:56
How so?

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@Merranvo: Why will you be stuck on a dial-up?

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I like more fully boxed and shipped than downloaded. If you loose it without backup, you must re-download it (do we can?).

I live in Canada, the shipping will be long, but i will get a lot for my cash...hehe i will love this software

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Posted: 27th Jul 2005 04:50 Edited at: 27th Jul 2005 04:51
NEWS FOR THIS THREAD
You can donwload FPSC over the internet or have it shipped via mail.
If you think I kidding, go look in the "quick question" thread. Now stop fighting Dr. Who!
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Really? That makes alot more sense. At least we now have an option.

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ehem, I was referring to WOW as the life devourer(because it eats up your time). man aren't we a bitter pill.


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Woah... umm... who... umm..

Why did you spend 2 hours typing stuff out?
PLZ don't lecture me... it's scary)

I nearly always get refered to other sites when I want to download something, mainly because people won't burn their bandwith for their users . And whenever I try to download, they will say "You have to wait 4 hours for the next slot to open." or just pull up the register user page.

I am going back to dial-up soon because I am running off of a public network that I won't have access to when I go home. And that SUCKS.

I just typed in "Activation Code" World of WarCraft... and got a crack search engine...

I just checked... I can still download the download agent...

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Email me at undrgrndtw2@adelphia.net and tell me about this crack search engine

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