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Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 03:46
well, by not firing a single bullet is not to sit back and do nothing.

or are you such a violence and bloodshed orientated red-neck that you fail to think of other methods?
Jimmy
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 03:46
Ok, you think we should fire bullets.

But you don't think the soldiers should. The men and women who volunteer to shoot the bullets.

WHO should shoot the bullets, Dave? The kids?? The elderly??? WHO MAN... WHO!?!?

Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 03:48 Edited at: 15th Jul 2005 03:49
Quote: "or are you such a violence and bloodshed orientated red-neck that you fail to think of other methods?"


Yes, I have failed to think of other methods to stop terrorism, please share, and I might understand your point of view.

Quote: " Ok, you think we should fire bullets."

No, i don't think we should, but I also don't think that not doing it can stop terrorism and better than firing bullets.

Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 03:49
try learning to read, or do i have to retype my whole spanish example from the aftermath of the madrid bombings?
Damokles
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 03:50
no need to retype, just copy-paste it

- Mind the gap -
Jimmy
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 03:59
Quote: "No, i don't think we should, but I also don't think that not doing it can stop terrorism and better than firing bullets.
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Yeah, that didn't make sense. Please insert 2 more credits and try again.

Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 04:00 Edited at: 15th Jul 2005 04:01
Quote: "They pulled their troops out of Iraq. They relaxed immigration laws against North Africa and the Middle East. They gave more religeous freedome to everyone, including non-Muslims and non-Jews.

As a result of this? Spain hasn't received a single bomb threat, and many immigrants in Spain"


So, even before we were in Iraq, this still didn't help America. So im assuming this is the "other way" you were talking about? It may work for some as "Spain" who do not have near as many enemies, but for others, it will not stop terrorists from wanting to bring harm.

Quote: "Yeah, that didn't make sense."

How so? It simply states that either way will not work.

Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 05:42
Quote: "So, even before we were in Iraq, this still didn't help America."


again your knowledge in world wars and politics amazes me.

cos iraq's like the only country to have been screwed over by the west.
Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 05:45
Quote: "cos iraq's like the only country to have been screwed over by the west."


Uhm ok, but that still doesn't mean we were terrorist-free before we went to Iraq.

Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 07:05
... i was being sarcastic.

iraq isnt the only country thats been screwed over. <-- not being sarcastic

all terrorists come from iraq and hate america soley because of the iraq war <-- sarcastic

terrorists dont always come from iraq, and can hate america for things that the west has done other than the iraq war, and we could be talking like centuries ago, like with spain <-- not sarcastic.
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 07:08 Edited at: 15th Jul 2005 07:13
Quote: "terrorists dont always come from iraq, and can hate america for things that the west has done other than the iraq war, and we could be talking like centuries ago,"


That's my whole point, you are not going to stop terrorism no matter what you do. It will always be there for many different reasons.

[edit]wrong button jimmy, fixed just for you.

Jimmy
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 07:13
Nice usage of the question mark there.

Brilliant.

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Quote: "That's my whole point, you are not going to stop terrorism no matter what you do. It will always be there for many different reasons?"


Leys, For once, I agree with you...




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Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 07:34
right. i'm giving up now.
Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 07:47
Quote: "Move to some remote planet?"


That could work I suppose. My whole way of looking at things is, yea, we can go ahead and get rid of some major threats, which is a good thing, but we will never "defeat" terrorism as many seem to think.

Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 15th Jul 2005 07:49
merravano is quite correct, but still imo a bit extreme with the last point :/
Teh Go0rfmeister
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Posted: 16th Jul 2005 01:29
well no-one noticed the spanish break down...
Jimmy
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Posted: 16th Jul 2005 02:35
well this site got national news coverage yesterday, which, we all know, is what they really wanted.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2005 01:08
Jimmy said:
“Frankly, I support the war, even on the basis of revenge.”

Even if it were morally justifiable to bomb a whole nation based on the actions of a few, your still bombing the wrong country, idiot.


@All
In my country (Northern Ireland) the British government tried to stop the terrorists (IRA) with violence for many years. The troubles kicked off proper in the late sixties because of civil rights marches and continued until the Good Friday agreement in 1998. During that time more than 3000 people were killed, most of them civilians.

During the troubles we had roadblocks everywhere, hunger strikes (people refusing to eat and dying in jail as a protest), rioting in the streets (And I mean real rioting with petrol bombs, guns and death), internment (Locking people up on suspicion rather than proof, a bit like Guantanamo), you had to carry id constantly, you got searched by the military police everywhere you went, the army walked the streets all the time, there was a curfew in some cities after which they closed the place off with giant metal barricades (I still have a huge scar on my shin from trying to climb over one when very drunk),places exploded quite frequently, you could be sitting having a drink in a pub and the next minute someone had been shot in the head and was crawling around on the floor in front of you in a pool of their own blood.

In short it was nasty, this is the world that all those who demand retaliation and better security are inviting.

So, why did it happen? It happened because the British invaded Ireland and refused to give it back and yet it is the IRA (Freedom fighters to many of the Irish people) who are the bad guys.
What’s happening with the war on terror isn't so different.
Teh Go0rfmeister is right, its pure arrogance.

The strange thing is that throughout the troubles I don’t ever remember the British government suggesting that the south of Ireland should be bombed in retaliation for IRA attacks, but then going by the logic of the Iraq war they would probably bomb Wales instead.

Just so we are clear, the troubles ended in the minds of most people here with the Good Friday agreement, a peaceful, negotiated settlement.

Our world is a much better place now, more so than I could of imagined in 1998 when the agreement was reached, and that was only eight years ago.

In the future we will not spank the monkey, the monkey will spank us.
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Posted: 19th Jul 2005 02:21
Quote: "Even if it were morally justifiable to bomb a whole nation based on the actions of a few, your still bombing the wrong country, idiot."


What the crap are you talking about? What bombing? What country?

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Posted: 19th Jul 2005 05:06
I think he's talking about America dropping nukes on China.

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Posted: 19th Jul 2005 08:06
Why turn such a nice family-friendly thread into a Liberal vs. Conservative battleground?

It'd be nice to stop bickering over the damn thing. Normally I'm anti-Bush/Conservative/War, but for God's sake the liberals need to stop playing the blame game. It just ends up pissing everybody off. Even if we did make some mistakes people were a whole lot nicer to each other when we were in that united state of mind right after 9/11. Every liberal is starting to sound like Michael Moore, I hate that guy.

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Jeku
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Posted: 19th Jul 2005 12:58
America didn't drop nukes on China


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Ace Of Spades
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Posted: 19th Jul 2005 13:14
Quote: "Every liberal is starting to sound like Michael Moore, I hate that guy."


I doubt it is EVERY liberal. Anyway, what can you expect? Liberals share many of the same opinions.

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