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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Zelda Clone Project anyone?

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Jim
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I Plan to make a zelda clone on DB but it will be more gorey than the SNES version. I am planning to mix gore with humour. The user will be able to chop the enemies up and see blood all over, body getting cut in half etc. This will be cool. Any one who helps me can have a percentage of the profit. I will code it I just need 3d models or 2d sprites and sound effects. I have loads of Ideas and can code well. Please join the band wagon and see a really good game that I think will sell like hot cakes in a fat boy club. OK?
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An actual Zelda game with gore would make Ninty sue your ass. However if you mean a progessive RPG with real time battles, including gore, you're more likely to be onto something.

While gore can add humor or realism it is worth noting that it alone does not make a good game - and too much of it can make a good game tedious...

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Well I did not mean I was going to call it Zelda I will call it something else maybe a anagram of zelda like Dazle or some thing. I want to make the game graphics cartoon like and concentrate on gameplay and fun rather than graphics. So just simple 3d models and a simple Charactor advancement modle. Any Ideas?

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Why not download an emulater and a rom of zelda (for 24 hours as after that it is illegal and must be deleted), and use it for a refresh for you memory of the SNES game. I am working on a 2D zelda game too, but this time similar to one from the NES or GAME BOY (sort of like A LINK TO THE PAST, but better graphics).


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I had had roms on zelda they are realy good. I do want to make my own though. Can you give me any 3d models or good sound effect like steps on differing ground like snow, grass, metal, rock, water etc etc. Get a site from HTTP://www.goeities.com and put them up for me if you have. Thanks Jim

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Zelda isn't a RPG, it's an Aventure game, the two are often confused.

Blood on a Zelda-est game does nothing but cheapen it. I played a zelda clone a while back that did what you thinking, it's only redeaming point was the the silly voice overs.

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What's the difference? Is it that in an RPG there are stats like "strength" and so on?

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Hmmmm. I guess I wouldn't call Zelda an rpg any more than I'd call Resident Evil an rpg. It has some rpg elements though, but so does Doom.

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I think Zelda is an RPG, so is Resident Evil I guess, more so if you learned more skills as you went a long. Why is Doom like an RPG though? I don't get it?

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He was being sarcastic.

THE KEY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN RPGS AND ADVENTURE GAMES

Please note I'm only talking about pure RPG, not action/RPGs, RTS?RPGs, Dating Simulator/RPGs, ect...

RPGs

Some sort of EXP system
Long if not complexe stories
Menu baced battle systems
High amounts of character interaction
Tons of items, weapons, and magic

Adventure

Ussaly only one main character (as oppoised to a party)
Real-time combat
Gains increaded streangth by gaining items
Stories are ussally simpler than RPGs

The two easily confuzed because resently their haven't been that many Adventure games made resently. Dark Cloud is one. Zelda 2 for NES is a hibrid of these two catogories. Back in the oldend days of the NES there were more of them. I think they are now shoved into the action catagory.

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actualy RPG stands for Role Playing Game, almost evry game you play a role of.

Half Life could be a rpg in a sence that you paly the role of Gordin Freeman.

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True, but in many non-RPG you play an "everyman". You find out nothing about him, he's just there, however that changed now. At the dawn of the video game era, all characters in video games were just there, no emotion, no personality, nothing. RPG gave life to these dull characters, it had to, it was the very essence of the experance.

Any way, Jim, I don't like Roms, maybe in another 50 years when it becomes public access I be ok with it, but for now get the real thing.

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Actually, I'd have to agree with Blazer, that was a pretty accurate description of a game that could be an RPG however, not all RPG's have to follow those conventions.

For instance, RPG's originated as pen and paper games, therefore the whole concept of the battle system HAVING to be menu-based is wrong. Similarly, I don't believe your description of Adventure RPG's are accurate at all, look at Sierra's Kings Quest, Police Quest and Space Quest, they're all text adventures but they don't even have a strength variable let alone items that make them stronger. Nor do they have much of a combat system either.

Plus, genre's are constantly changing and evolving which is why all the Diablo Hack n Slash games are considered RPG when they don't follow your description.

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I knew I'ld get this kinda responce, I should have put tipicale RPGs, not pure. I agree that there are many execptions, I've talked about this before somewhere. Shenmue is a good example of an RPG that doesn't use a menu combat system. Daiblo II does have menu baced system, it's just not used in the tradtional way, I've never played the first one. I've played Police Quest, I think, if so I'ld call it more of a simulation than an RPG, but I might be thinking of a different game.

I think the main difference between the two is how you become stronger. In RPGs you stedily become stronger by fighting enemy, in Aventures you become stornger by getting better equipment. In most other sorts of games you don't "level up", the game getts harder so you have to get better, there is no "curve", except with some sport games where your stat increase.

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I've never played Shenmue (or heard of it), and I don't know if you could really call it a simulation considering you'd be simulating a person which is exactly the same as playing their role (hence, RPG).

Oh, and I believe the whole level system of RPG's are going to disappear due to the fact that they're extremely repetitive and require lots of time. To back this up, no one's going to spend months or years on Everquest building up their character and then switch to another game that just came out to start all over again.

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Lol, that no more RPGs, heheheh. In Japan RPGs are king, I don't think you know just how many different RPGs there are. Xenogears, Saga Frountier, Front Mission, Legend of Mana, ya never seen a tv adversise these games I bet, yet each is a ragical break front the tragisional RPG geanre. Personial, I love all the time I put into RPGs. Xenogears takes 80 hours to beat and Front Mission 3 takes 150. RPGs are here to stay.

I think you're being little too technical with the term. In simulations, you're simulating an exeperance. Deja Vu for NES, the Sims, and Police Quest are examples of such. The differance lies in the fact that you never get stronger, you don't level up. In RPGs you fight in order to get stronger, in simulation you don't realy fight that much, and when you do you don't get rewarded in the same manner.

If you keep up this line of disuction, I might have to list out all the different types of games.

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Legend of Mana was great. It was a bit like Zelda but as Well as your Char going up levels your weapons did as well. You could hold down attak and charge your weapon up through the differing levels of attack. It has to be seen to be believed. Two players could play as well if you wanted to. Great game. Well worth a look on the ROM side.

Anyway, back to my orginal question, does anyone have or know where I can get for free, 3d models or sound effects for my Dazle RPG game? It will be a mixture of Severance Blade of Darkness (Class Game)(For the gore and bits getting chopped off) Zelda (for the exploration quest based part) and Legend of Mana (for the weapons leveling and simlar attacking method) I will defently have the castles from Zelda with all the differnt type of monsters. You can just make up what done Humaniod form look like so that makes it easier to model, as you can make it up as you go along. What do ya all think of my idea?

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This is out to Kangaroo2. I know you can make 3D models. Please make me some? For my game if I used them I will give you 5%-10% of the profits same goes for sound effets. I need the following sound effects:

Footsteps:
Sand
up and down steps (like in Zelda Castles)
Stone
Grass
Carpet
Snow
Metal
(That is all the surfaces I can think off for now :p)

Actually I have reated a mind map for my game. Its there any way I can put it up on here? As I am to HTML coding what fatima whitbread is to hand gliding.

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*Created (Sorry my C key is a bit bust from play Tony hakes three and I can't be arsed to purchase a new keyboard at the mo) Just like I thought my a drive was bust but I had the cable the wrong way round ( red bit near power supply on drive and red bit near pin 1 on MB) Doh . The only reason I needed my A drive was because I upflashed me BIOS as just purchased a Athlon Xp 2000+ for 119 euros. Can wait to get back to UK for pounds ££££££££££££££££££££££. Dearer over there though. God I don't have go on after a couple of cans of Kronenbourg 1664. Byee |I will check back laters to see what ya all can come up with. X

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