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BenDstraw
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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 19:58
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Hows this for an idea. A company(most likely Microsoft) makes an undercover site for hacks and stuff. But the cracks or what ever lock the software or disable it or uninstall it whatever works. That could help reduce pirating a little if a bunch of companies made sites like that. Of course this wouldnt stop pirating but its a thought. I pretty sure this might not work in real life but in theory it might. What do you guys think?

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IanG
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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 20:04
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what are you on? <--- my exact thoughts

first of all if it did lock the product, like windows, then what stops them from reformating? it's a nice idea in an idealistic world but to be honest i don't think it would work - microsoft aren't that smart


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David R
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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 20:22 Edited at: 6th Aug 2005 20:51
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Quote: "Hows this for an idea. A company(most likely Microsoft) makes an undercover site for hacks and stuff. But the cracks or what ever lock the software or disable it or uninstall it whatever works. That could help reduce pirating a little if a bunch of companies made sites like that. Of course this wouldnt stop pirating but its a thought. I pretty sure this might not work in real life but in theory it might. What do you guys think?"


What the....?

a) as soon as one person visited, everyone else wouldn't visit, since they knowthat the site is fake

b) Just because you visit a site, doesn't mean you intend to use it (ever heard of a mis-leading google search?)

c) People who manage to crack this stuff are extremely clever. Just look at the guys who found a way around the 3d Studio Max activation . Don't assume everyone is as stupid/foolish as you


EDIT: I'd also like to add, that these sites are not 'undercover' Just google 'cracks', and you'll see what I mean, lol


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BenDstraw
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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 20:25
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Didnt have to be that mean it was just a thought. Not like anyone else is thinking of an idea and like I said its not like im going to submit this idea to microsoft or something so just chill and keep the not as stupid as you comments to your self.

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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 20:31
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Quote: "People who manage to crack this stuff are extremely clever. Just look at the guys who found a way around the 3d Studio Max activation . Don't assume everyone is as stupid/foolish as you"


Just look at the people who got round cubase sx - they wrote a driver to crack it or so I've been told


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BenDstraw
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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 21:00
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I get what you mean but someone needs to find a way to stop it.

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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 21:35
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1. That's illegal. The RIAA can put up dud files on file sharing networks, but they can't put up viruses.

2. That's entrapment, making it illegal all over again.

3. Crack sites are already filled with viruses.

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BenDstraw
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Posted: 6th Aug 2005 22:19
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ok. Dud files seems like the best they are doing thanks for the counter point.

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David R
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Posted: 7th Aug 2005 14:45
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Quote: "3. Crack sites are already filled with viruses."


Which one did you visit? , lol


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The question is when will software companies learn that Bill is right?

The only way to stop piracy is to never distribute the software...
Instead make the software into a server side applictation that will only allow one reg key to use it at a time. Will DEL reg keys that change IP adresses too much (Dial-Up's will have problems there). And will block access to IP's known for abuse.

Now you won't have piracy. You'll have hackers, but atleat one issue was solved.

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Quote: "Instead make the software into a server side applictation that will only allow one reg key to use it at a time. Will DEL reg keys that change IP adresses too much (Dial-Up's will have problems there). And will block access to IP's known for abuse.
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If your referring to the Genuine Windows verifier on the M$ site, its already been cracked

There's a Javascript hole in it, that automatically verifies your product code


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BenDstraw
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Posted: 7th Aug 2005 21:43
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I now think that at this point its pretty much impossible. the Gnutella
started by someone from AOL(I think) that was used for file sharing. But AOL tried to shut it down, by then the network was way to popular then napster and their music downloading. To many people want to crack stuff all solutions will just get craked

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Quote: ". But AOL tried to shut it down, by then the network was way to popular "


Gnutella (LimeWire , the client app as its more frequently known under) is practically impossible to 'shut down', since like all P2p, its run by its clients, not a mainframe server


Quote: "To many people want to crack stuff all solutions will just get craked
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But the lure of this stuff is too strong - there'll always be pirating.

Think about it like this;

You just bought Medal of Honour Frontline for PC, for £34.99. Fine. But when you visit these sites, you see MOHFL, availible free for download, via bit torrent. It aslo includes a crack so you don't need the CD.

Now, putting all the 'I don't do illegal stuff' aside, which one would you honestly go for? £0.00, or £34.99?


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Posted: 7th Aug 2005 23:24
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I rather have free but there was a video tutorial site that wanted you to use bit torrent(their tutorials were free but they wanted to save bandwidth) Well bit torrent is extremely slow. I cant imagine using it for Doom 3 thats atleast 2 to 3 gigs.

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Quote: "If your referring to the Genuine Windows verifier on the M$ site, its already been cracked "


and iirc it took less than 24 hours

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Posted: 8th Aug 2005 00:32
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Thats what im saying it like impossible at this point so I guess there is no solution to the pirate problem.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2005 01:23
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Quote: "and iirc it took less than 24 hours "

yup, all you need to do is add a little line to the URL

@Merranvo: The more I read what you write, the more i realize you have no clue what you are talking about...
Quote: " The question is when will software companies learn that Bill is right?

The only way to stop piracy is to never distribute the software...
Instead make the software into a server side applictation that will only allow one reg key to use it at a time. Will DEL reg keys that change IP adresses too much (Dial-Up's will have problems there). And will block access to IP's known for abuse.
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Blizzard was doing this LONG before MS was, with Diablo 2 Battle.net (and probably W2 and W3, dont know, havnt had the problem yet) when I lost my CD Key for Diablo 2, I couldn't use one from the net because Blizzard had automatically deleted it for it changing too much..

Quote: "(Dial-Up's will have problems there)"

Not really, i'm sure they thought of a way to get around that. I believe they are looking for ips that change MASSAVLY not just a few numbers.

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BenDstraw
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Posted: 8th Aug 2005 02:05
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Bnet is hacked up like crazy. they fix them after patches but then people just remake hacks.

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Quote: "If your referring to the Genuine Windows verifier on the M$ site, its already been cracked"


Um, that only works for using Windows Update. If you download anything else from the MS site you'll see that it doesn't work


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The only way to prevent cracks is to give your software away free and only charge for the online portion and only allow one IP per registered account at a time. Hence online only software is the only uncrackable, but it is not unhackable. It does stop the 99/100 script kiddies but not the 1 hacker. It literally with out a physical hardware deterrent to stop piracy. That deterent would be something like you can only use it at this location, but that's impracticle. So blizzards way is the best, but open b.net(with more of the info clientside) is still hacked liked crazy.

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Did you know Gentoo is a genuine windows product?

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windows got pwned
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David R
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Posted: 8th Aug 2005 15:22
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Quote: "Um, that only works for using Windows Update. If you download anything else from the MS site you'll see that it doesn't work "


Think you'll find it does

When the update thing is done, a hash is shown in the address bar. Copy this, and do the same validation on the main M$ site. Make sure your not runnin IE, and it'll prompt you for a code. Paste in the Hash generated earlier. It then works for all the other d/loads on the site



[If anyone asks, I never said any of the previous . Please don't ban me for 'pirating software either' ]


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