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Posted: 25th Dec 2005 04:48
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hi.

is C4D any good?
i really dont wanna wast $300 on it unlesss its REALLY good.

ok, so heres my questions:

1. can you do fairly detailed guns in a few hours?
2. can you do fairly detailed cars in a few hours?
3. can you do people pretty well?
4. IS IT WORTH 300 BUCKS?!?!?!?!?

C4D vs. milkshape -- vote now!
C4D vs. free modelers -- vote now!
C4D vs. 3DS MAX -- vote now!
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dark coder
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try the demo...


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1 through 3 depend on how good of a modeler you are and the 4 one depends on your personal opinion.

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Renegade
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C4D for $300?! that's cheap
on the offical site C4D cost, EUR 602,59.

C4D is Really that good if you have the skills, and it takes
time to develop such skills, don't expect to build great models
in a week it will take a few month in a good case.
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I no longer have anything to say to this member and retract my advice....
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Quote: "
1. can you do fairly detailed guns in a few hours?
2. can you do fairly detailed cars in a few hours?
3. can you do people pretty well?
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That depends more on the user than the software. I suggest you stop asking too many questions about which modeler to use and get a free one to start off with.. its more help to yourself if you post work and let people comment on what you're doing. More expensive modlers does make the workflow faster in most cases, and does have more features.. but that will help you next to nothing if you dont know how to model anything.

Now, please keep your thread count down. Its really the same post over and over, and this subject has been brought up too many times already. As soon as a Mod comes online again, I'll point him in this direction.. and I'm almost sure most of your thread will be locked.

Take a look at the stickies as well.. very helpful.


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Posted: 25th Dec 2005 23:08
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well thank you all!

i'm ganna download the trial right now, hopefully in a few months(or is it limited?) i'll be able to make guns , etc.
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C4D is limited DB newbie. Probably a watermark and time restriction. What i suggest is that you pick up a free modeller (Anim8or or Wings) and play around. Make sure you dont follow tutorials but instead you get a grasp of controls first. Understand what each thing does and how to use it for your needs. Then if you want to know theory you should use tutorials. I have already posted many links for you on : How do i _____. The one on Box modelling+subdivide can be easily used for guns.


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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 01:54
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Quote: "1. can you do fairly detailed guns in a few hours?
2. can you do fairly detailed cars in a few hours?
3. can you do people pretty well?
4. IS IT WORTH 300 BUCKS?!?!?!?!?"


Stop asking us what we can do...and it is worth $300 if you like the interface, modeling style. And dont dislike something because it takes multiple days to do. I'm trying to make sonic, a very simple character, and it's eating the hell out of my computer time.

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dont sweat abouit, Its because he is soo curvy (sonic that is), but i'd like to see that one finished!


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It's for my remake of sonic 2. And with sonic the hard part is the spikes on the back of his head believe it or not. Would be easier if Wings supported vert by vert...Beveling the vertices doesnt seem to work.

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aah i see, i am completly wrong then. I think how i would do it is just a) make soo many verts that i can just move them in place
B) make basic shape and then alpha map (although i dont know how , i have seen others do it and the results are amazing)


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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 02:07
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ehh. C4D is good enuf.
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Zedane, option A isnt applicable(the clean up would suck), but I think I'll manage

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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 04:39 Edited at: 26th Dec 2005 04:40
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There is no Watermark or Time restriction on the C4D Demo. It just doesn't allow you to export models or save video files. O and it has a few features more disabled also.



Quote: "C4D vs. free modelers"


Ha!, i like that...... Something for £2000 Vs Something for free.


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I think blender easily gives c4d a run for its rather large amount of money :p

Im sick of Master Chief soo...ooga booga!!
Explain to me why some people pay money for 3d software? Its not 3d till its been blended. wwww.blender3d.org
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Read my sig.

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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 09:42
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just try the demos,whats good for one person might not be good for another.
milkshape is very good,i got to understand and learn to model using it and now i use milkshape,3ds max and c4d.
but nearly always end up using milkshape.

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Posted: 26th Dec 2005 10:51
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Quote: "1. can you do fairly detailed guns in a few hours?
2. can you do fairly detailed cars in a few hours?
3. can you do people pretty well?
4. IS IT WORTH 300 BUCKS?!?!?!?!?

C4D vs. milkshape -- vote now!
C4D vs. free modelers -- vote now!
C4D vs. 3DS MAX -- vote now!"


1. Yes, once you've learnt how, its easy
2. Well, I have started a fairly detailed Maxda MX 5, and its running quite nicely
3. Yes, have you seen my character models?
4. Actually its worth more than that in my opinion, but I wouldn't go out buying it unless you try the demo, this is a professional tool, so its gonna be pricey.

C4D vs Milkshape - Well C4D has a lot more tools, a much much better renderer, you can turn on and off your backface culling, its an all round package when Milkshape is primarily game modelling, this means C4D can range from game models, to impressive 3D still to whole animations

C4D vs Free modellers- Free modellers are designed for those new to modelling and have no budget, but C4D is designed for those who can afford it, and has a lot more professional power, for new people they don't really need that much power yet, when they're getting the ropes of things.

C4D vs Max- Max = a lot more expensive, a prefered favourite of game and movie companies, has a more powerful renderer and more tools (about the same amount of tools as C4D Studio, but thats about the same price as Max)

On a final note, have you seen Polar Express, Gladiator and Van Helsing, Cinema 4D was used in those.

But try the demo, you're new and well spending out a lot of money is not a good idea yet as you may regret it later, I see people buy max because they think its the god of modelling and then find it harder than they expected and regret it

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Posted: 27th Dec 2005 03:46 Edited at: 27th Dec 2005 03:49
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2000? no way!

its $300!!!

and i tried the demo. it rocks.

EDIT: VAN HELSING USED CINEMA 4D?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? REALLY??!?!?!?!?!?!?! nah, no way! wait... really?!
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So did Spider-Man 1&2, The Matrix, and hundreds of other movies.

Now stop nubbing up the forums and buggger off to do some modelling.


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Here Here


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Megaton I read somewhere that the spidermans used poser.

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They used blender for visualizing the scenes in spider man
Lol...poser...what a horrible program.

Im sick of Master Chief soo...ooga booga!!
Explain to me why some people pay money for 3d software? Its not 3d till its been blended. wwww.blender3d.org
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lol ya I have yet to run into a poser user.

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OK, theres only one way to put this.

YOU AND ONLY YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT "THE BEST" PROGRAM IS, BECAUSE IT IS YOU WHO WILL BE USING IT!

That said, any 3D Modelling program can create sweet guns/people/houses/planets/whatevers as long as you are skilled at the modeller. Your in the mind set that "Expensive 3D Modeler = Easy to Create SWEET Models" Your very, incredibly wrong. In fact, its more along the lines of the opposite. The industry standard modelling tools are usually much more complicated than basic modelers. You can create any kind of model in ANY kind of modeling program, IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR SKILL.

I just dont get how some people dont get this....


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more power to you RPGamer. they should download the demos to see that there models will not improve from the app they had before atleast not int the 30 days. It may look better render wise but the model itself will be the same quality if not worse.

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Lol I am actually beginning to get irritated by this dude.

Quote: "2000? no way!

its $300!!!"


Cinema 4D standard - £500 (Or the one you found for $300)
Cinema 4D XL - £1350
Cinema 4D Studio - £2200 (Thats the version the demo is of)

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@RPGamer . Kinda what i was trying to say in one of my threads, Nobody listens though....


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Nobody ever listens.

Program = $7500? Wow, that must be able to make t3h 1337 ch4ract3rs REAL EASY!!!11!!1 LoLorZ!


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Why pay $300 for a modeling program when you can get blender and milkshape?

Make great games with C++ and OpenGL!
C++ Tutorial: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial
OpenGL Tutorial: http://nehe.gamedev.net/lesson.asp?index=01
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Because c4d rules and is more powerful

Quote: "Probably a watermark and time restriction"

It's more along the lines everything except save is there no restriction

Experienced DB http://www.greatgames3d.com (work in progress site)
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And you cant add plugins.


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yeah, no save/export, but it's like twice as powerful as milkshape, and has almost 4X the features although milkshape IS good for file format changing make it in C4D then load it in milkshape and export it to all 400 million export formats

EDIT: i see! it irriataes you that i am getting the SAME program as you for cheaper...
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OOPS! sorry, didn't see RPGamer's post, anyway this was created before he made it i think...
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Quote: "twice as powerful as milkshape"
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that. Found it amusing.


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Quote: "i see! it irriataes you that i am getting the SAME program as you for cheaper..."


If you were talking to me, it dosn't irratate me at all...

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he was talking to sepp cause sepp is saying c4d is more expensive then $300.

Quote: "twice as powerful as milkshape"

well one would hope

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I mean C4D is way way way more powerfull than Milkshape!


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I just got C4D IT ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

I lOVE IT
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Quote: "twice as powerful as milkshape, and has almost 4X the features"


Now -thats- funny.

MS3D has allll you need for low poly modelling. If I were to spend $300 on a modeling app. it would be on Softimage XSI|Standard, or even the advanced student version. Im not selling anything anytime soon...


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Just get C4D so we all can move on with our lives....
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whats with sudden wave of C4D fanboys. used to be just sepp and add lol

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@Newbe, the thread is irritating me, not the fact you're getting the prog cheaper, I don't care if you can get it cheaper, some people are more lucky than others.

Quote: "whats with sudden wave of C4D fanboys. used to be just sepp and add lol "

lol, I think people are liking it because its cheap and easy. Funny thing is, other 3D forums I go to, have Max fanboys, and whenever you say something against 3DS Max, they act like Halo fanboys, I guess thats how fan boys are....

@RPG, I didn't like XSI that much, then again I only tried the mod tool, but its looks pretty sweet looking at results, if I had the money, I'd buy the lot, C4DStudio, Max, Maya, houdini, Lightwave, the lot But nope, haven't won the bloody lottery yet....

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I guess once you pay for an app you pledge allegiance to it

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Maybe so, but I wonder how many of these people on this forum PAY for their programs

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maybe its ignorance of other programs that causes fanboys.

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possibly, then I'm no fan boy (thank godfrey) although fan boys make me laugh

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Quote: "Maybe so, but I wonder how many of these people on this forum PAY for their programs"


I dont...lol. I use Wings and I love it. Although I plan to look for some variety later when I get my own computer and don't have to use this boat anchor to do my models...

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