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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Skycubes Released -- All Free

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SkyCubes
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 03:16 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 09:02
***Revised***

Store now open.

www.skycubes.com


Cellbloc Studios
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 03:54
Yea! Thanks!

-This...is my boomstick!
Building "Riker 9", two steps at a time.
transient
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 04:17
Man, I hope a fifty dollar software package never makes me this bitter.

Thanks for the freebies.

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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 04:37
Yet another lost. Oh well. Hey, thanks for the skies. Are they free, or just "free". as in are they royaltee free?

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Dog
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 05:19
Skycubes,

I hate to hear anyone leave the community. I just recently bought FPSC and have found its short comings. I am with great hope that a modification like Riker 9 takes care of the problems.

Just a thought....

FPSC is new technology and is sure to have many bugs. It will take dedicated members to make FPSC a top notch application and develop it to its full potential. As a senior member your knowledge and abilities are much needed. I hope you reconsider.

Yes there are some members who do not practice proper internet etiquette. But for every member of that caliber there are two who are of a higher standard. I can confirm that there are some great members who are willing to assist us not so talented members. So hang in there and enjoy the ride. Thanks for listening.

Dog

Vlad
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 05:36
@Dog... your faith, which many of us would like to share, blinds your reasoning mate.

Riker 9 will not take care of anyone's problems in fact, imagine that Riker 9 never comes out... would Cellbloc be then responsible for the reasons Skycubes states? It will improve our ability to make something better and solve some issues. We can only be thankful to Cellbloc for it but what Skycubes is saying is somewhat more serious than that regarding TGC's responsability on this.

And regarding etiquete... honestly, the rate is fast moving to the exact opposite. It's somewhat obvious that older members are a bit fed up with somethings that have been going on and from the moment I understood moderators dificulties in holding the FPSC forums I can't really say I blame them for keeping out of here. I did once, now I can only understand why and won't do it again.

Like I've said more than once, I'm not using FPSC. And until some days I was here for the community only. At this moment I read and participate in the Riker 9 project thread and answer any relevant thread I see here and there and an ocasional joke because I can't help myself, but I don't have the community feeling any longer, not that I was or am useful to the majority of the good guys here.

@Skycubes

Thank you for the boxes, I will make good use of those. I do not agree completely with your opinions, but that's not a bad thing I guess. The only thing I would like to ask you is to lighten up mate, it's just a software and it's just a forum. Lots of bugs and people that use bad language without even getting a slap in the wrist I know, but you are better than bugs and rude people.

Cheer up.

I'm pretty sure I know everything. Doubts are something rare in me and I am never wrong, as this signature can prove.
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 05:43
Intenet etiquette? Is there such a thing?

I find these forums better than most.

I think some people here have personal grievances with each other, but that's normal in any setting.

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
Les Horribres
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 05:59
netiquette Google is your Friend.

SkyCubes, aka FPS Creators, this is a sad time indeed. Not only has one of the faithful left us, but his guidance hast been forgot. May he be remebered as the warrior he was, the first, the last, FPSCreator.
[plays taps]

You know, the DBP Community may be interested in skycubes.

Merranvo, The Cool One

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Dog
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 06:18
Vlad,

Thank you for your comments and you may be right. But it is members like you that have inspired me to look outside of FPSC and challenge myself to bigger and better goals. FPSC is just a jumping off place. I went into FPSC with the understanding that I would never become a wealthy man by making games with FPSC. I have never wavered from that thought and that is why I feel that FPSC has given me my moneys worth. What I did receive as an added bonus was the ability to get to know some fine people who can offer me direction for my future plans. With that thought in mind... I am content to hope that TGC will continue to post patches to enhance FPSC's short comings. Without a solid community FPSC is dead. MHO. I have been with another up start project for 4+ years and have watched it grow into something wonderful. So hang in there and enjoy the ride. (Yep, I know I’m fresh meat around here. LOL) Just my 2cents.

Dog

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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 06:29
Thanks
transient
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 07:35 Edited at: 30th Dec 2005 07:55
The Indi game scene is all about perseverance, no matter what you use.

I don't think this community will die any time soon.

You only have to look at the 3DRad community to see that it only takes a few dedicated people to keep things going, even though that app is effectively dead.

Patches will come in time, just don't expect them right away. Like any app, FPSC will take time to develop.

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
SkyCubes
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 08:41
@transient,

"bitter" is quite a stretch my friend I can think of several alternate adjectives to describe my current position on FPSC...

Disgusted...at the fact that nothing was done or has been done concerning Rastaman and his blatent violations of the forum TOS, not to mention the completely unresponsible nature of his site.

Disappointed...with TGC in that they appear (I stress that word) to have taken almost an "us four and no more" mentality towards FPSC in terms of marketing and support for the product. Sure, it's only $50 bucks...big friggin deal. Clearly it's not about the money...at least for me. It's more about the principal of the matter. Enough said.

Disgruntled...in the forum, particularly concerning the behavior by those who should be stepping up and acting as the leaders to help establish a strong, lasting community. Instead, most seem perfectly happy settling for a forum of soapbox big mouths who raise the flag of elitism whenever possible.

Bitter? Nah, too strong a word. It was only a part-time hobby to begin with...hardly worth the label of bitterness.


"Trust no one" --Deepthroat (X-Files)
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 08:54
I for one are sad about your leaving.Together we WILL make this a better product to produce what we all want & that is FUN.Thank you for the Skycubes & I hope you will return to help us out again.CHEERS
transient
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 09:54
These all sound like personal grievances to me, which of course your entitled to.

It would be nice if you kept them private but I guess that's forums for you.

I'm not really sure why anyone would be worried by Rastaman's site, unless your devoutly religious or a feminist.

Either way I don't think he's broken any rules.

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 10:00
Tis sad yes. Thank you for the skycubes. Since you arent bitter and its a part-time hobby, hope you stick around lurking in the shadows or something and popback when things get better.

Good luck on the 20%

Peace
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 12:06
@transient: If there's something I admire in you, is your coolness. You must love the end of "The Life of Brian" with everyone singing "Always look on the bright side of life..."

Quote: "The Indi game scene is all about perseverance, no matter what you use."


I agree but the perseverance should be directed towards our work, not somebody else's products or a products community and I feel that's what brings the motivation levels down to many of the guys that are leaving FPSC.

@Skycubes

Quote: "Disgusted...at the fact that nothing was done or has been done concerning Rastaman and his blatent violations of the forum TOS, not to mention the completely unresponsible nature of his site."


Mate, this is the part I don't agree with you, but there have clearly worse problems than this that have not been dealt with also. Am I the only one that notices it? Maybe and that should be my fault.

I acknowledge that I feel confortable with a handful of people in this community, while talking to people from the indie scene outside FPSC it's the exact opposite, I don't feel confortable with a couple of them. The fact that FPSC targets a much younger audience has something to do with this and I know it's in part my own fault, since I can't expect people to be mature in this forums.

Amazingly was one of the "good guys" that led me to stop participating, go figure... not his fault, more of a "what's enough is enough" from me.

@Dog

Hey you dog, you wrote this

Quote: "But it is members like you that have inspired me to look outside of FPSC and challenge myself to bigger and better goals. FPSC is just a jumping off place."


Thank you very much for your words although I certainly don't deserve them, probably because I feel the same about someone else and I can't see myself in his position.

I took a different step and glad I'm glad I did. I am certainly doing a much better job while not being involved in FPSC, in fact for some reason, my worst programming errors occur after I post here. On the other hand, and while FPSC is not my cup of tea I found out a wonderful TGC product: Dark Game SDK and it's amazing how everything is almost the exact opposite of FPSC, at least that's my feeling and opinion.

You will have a lot of support and fun around here even with people coming and going, the only part that worries me is the rudeness level. Just look at this thread, isn't it (at least until now) a prove that this will be here to stay? Future may be bright, depends on people like you and transient and the great oldies that still stick out there and all of them certainly more motivated (towards FPSC) and technically as able or more able than Skycubes or myself.

I'm pretty sure I know everything. Doubts are something rare in me and I am never wrong, as this signature can prove.
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 18:22
FPSC Targets the DBP community as a model building service. Not us people who actually use it. After I listened to the DBP Community, I realized that FPSC would never be fully supported.

As for FPSC, I may go into DBP, browsing though this source has showed me more useable code then all my years in programming. My problem in programming is actually finishing something. I might start on something, make a nice engine, but never actually make the game.

I also realize that the mods need to take a bigger chunk of time over here, I may post random things, defend a topic voraciously, but this forum has gone so far south that people can get away with cursing at those who don't help, or help in a way that is not SOO Obvious that they don't need to do anything else.

Rastaman is one dilinquent who really should have been looked at, as these BOARDS are for the younger gen, is it really apropiate to post a link to his pornographic website? I was grotequed by the fact that he would dare to do such a thing, and repulsed by the facts that the mods didn't care.

As for Rastamans FPS-Pack issue, I told him that three times before, when he was selling it under false pretenses. "Total Content Protection" buy me now for $10, even a mod came around and agreed with me. That is just about the worse scam we had. When I blatantly tell Sunflash how to get his media, how is that actually "hacking? It is just telling everyone the truth that Rasta already knew.

And then we had a nice Entepenuer strike. Thousands of people came here trying to sell us stuff, only problem is that some of it didn't do what it said it did, others we extreamly low quality designed to make money, some stole ideas from this forum, and others stole work from others.

There is problem that, a lot of people here want to make money, but they don't know how to make games, they put in the enemys, the segments, but don't ask for help, and instead concentrate on the sales. So there are less showcases, and less other stuff.

Merranvo, The Cool One

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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 19:49
Hello,

What I hear is a lot of compassion and lack of direction. This is what I've been trying to express. If this community is to survive on a level that operates as a source of knowledge and guidance then it is our responsibility to develop our value system first. We have control of the manner in which we handle ourselves and guide those that decide to join our community. (Monkey sees Monkey do)

If we want FPSC to be something more then what it is, then we need to help it mature. We can start by believing in TGC and our own abilities. Yes I said TGC... Think this through, several members have offered there time and skills that provide us tools and objects that make FPSC better and easier to develop our games. When a member does this he is offered praise and thanks. The same is with TGC; they have spent many years developing this application and have a lot of pride in their work. If all we do is point out the short comings and show no enthusiasm for its future, then why would they continue to develop and offer support? It is MHO that we can make FPSC better by concentrating on what we can control and not on what's outside of our sphere of influence.

I really hope that you senior members stay and continue to support our community as well as us less talented members. It is the community that will take FPSC to greater heights.

I hope I have not offended anyone or disregarded others view points. This is just my opinion and I am aware that I am new to the community and am unaware of all of FPSC’s history.

I’d also like to thank GPS for a great set of Banisters he designed.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=67271&b=24

Dog

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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 20:35
Thanks for the skycubes. I am sure everyone here really appreciates all the time and effort put in!

I think the top and bottom may need rotating to make things 100% perfect. Sorry for being picky....I looked at AW1 but the others may be the same.
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Posted: 30th Dec 2005 22:44 Edited at: 30th Dec 2005 22:44
SkyCubes,

I am sorry to hear of your decision but rescpect it. I wish you much success in the with whatever you do in future.

Sadly too, numerous other well respected users of FPSC have found it did not meet with their expectations and moved on.

As to the rest of the issues brought up here - you all know my opinions so I wont repeat them in detail : "FPSC is what TGC make of it" and thats enough said.

I sincerely wish everyone a bright and successful year ahead - whatever their aspirations for 2006 and wherever they may be.

Good luck every one.

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Posted: 31st Dec 2005 06:45
Thanks for the sky boxes!

Les Horribres
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I find that sig threatening... not because it tells my IP, but because you have a pic of Sam Fisher, and Fisher is well known for stalking in the shadows. You, now having my IP, can find me...

I NEED MORE LIGHT!!!

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Posted: 31st Dec 2005 20:02
SkyCubes, thanks for these skyboxes, there great!

Quote: "It would be nice if you kept them private but I guess that's forums for you."


I tend to disagree, I'm glad some people still dare to share their reasons for doing what they do.

SkyCubes I can understand were you're coming from. The elitist attitude and life's demands is what makes stop me visiting this forum also.

Quote: "40% = The apparent lack of “real” support for this product by TGC"
Imo you can add interest to this also. FPSC feels like an abandonded product already. No word from TGC on updates, no interaction in the forum at all. They're completely absent. Very strange. But that isn't a reason for me NOT to use FPSC at all.

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Posted: 1st Jan 2006 04:52
You all need to step back and chilll....

Has anyone even tried calling them...?

Listen even if they didnt Update the product their is nothing STOPPING us the community from making Updates and other utilities,Who needs TGC we van get some of the best DB programmers in on the Prject and their will be no stopping us,Bottom line is YES we all can make money if we support the Base Product AN use our combine Knowledge to make Plugins and Patches.

As Always B3D....www.fnggames.com

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We Paid for the Product...

We can Make Utilities to SELL...

We can Put out FREE/SELL updates...

TGC couldnt say anything.

As Always B3D....www.fnggames.com

Les Horribres
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If your utilitys don't do what they are advirtized to do, Then we have a problem. Or if the product is really a scam, like selling winzip. TGC is hesitant to take control on that aspect, mainly because we keep thowing the mods out, this is an evil community.

But the mods are here, always, And respond incredibly fast. Have you seen the Lock This Thread? It was locked within 5 minits after I posted it. That is some mod power.

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Quote: "40% = The never ending elitist attitude by many on the forums, especially towards newbies and anyone else who would rather ask a question that search endlessly through multiple threads to find an answer to a simple question."


I hear you out on this one. It drives me NUTS! It was what pushed me to join the AANJL (Anti Anti Noob Justice League).

Quote: "When I blatantly tell Sunflash how to get his media, how is that actually "hacking? It is just telling everyone the truth that Rasta already knew.
"


Did you have to use my name?! J/K.
Well Skycubes, I'm reallysad to see you leave, I really the help you gave me when I needed it. Alot of us couldn't have made it into the realm of skycubes without your help
I think you could have made an impact on the forums if we came together in a little group to help the Newbies here. But I doubt that will happen anytime soon. After all, we do have something called a life
Thanks for the skycubes, they look GREAT! I hope you decide to work on your website as I 've frequently checked it in hopes that you put it up.
Anyways, I hope to talk to you in the future
Sunflash The Mace.

When FPSC develops enough, lets make a Redwall game!

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Quote: "Who needs TGC we van get some of the best DB programmers in on the Prject and their will be no stopping us"


Just keep on dreaming.....

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