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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Hey everybody..come see how important this forum is

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Bloodeath 6 6 6
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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 04:05
Okay ive been seeing alot of postes in the showcase forum and personally im appauled...no im joking...but i am getting really aggravated with them
comming from me i think you should not post a screenie unless your game is DIFFERENT i mean most games have great storylines and sound so awesome then i see screenies of 2 things that come with fpsc just put ontop of each other or somthing
so i really hope this will be stickied...
But here is the one guide line i think should be ENFORCED! on screenshot posting
1.Show us that your game is different...that its not a good storyline with a crappy setup... i mean not most of us wanna hear how great your storyline is how great its gonna be and then see a screenshot posted of a stupid hallway with a couple lights down it...
im sorry
but i feel it HAD To be said.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 07:12
I agree in part. Extremely generic screenshots (like a hallway with a light) are certainly not exactly showcasing anything. Although, and here's where I disagree, the simple fact that you arn't using custom media shouldn't mean that your game isn't worthy of anything.

Design is everything, in my opinion, not necessarily media. If you have a great level with built-in media, doesn't exactly mean it's no good. If you have a screenshot of something you've really worked on for more than 40 seconds, than maybe that's better.


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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 08:16
i do not agree with none they should show what they want to show it is there game and there post.if they like what they have made ur done and want to show it off then they should evin if it is just a hallway with a light.why should there be limitations on what kind of pics we can show ur canot show of our games.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 09:10
I agree with Shadows Back,

The whole selling point of FPSC is thats it's easy-to-use, that's why so many people buy it; they seeing what they can do, and most of them rush in and make something "unoriginal" because they don't want or don't know how to take the game a step further.

It's something to impress their friends or colleagues, and it's not that hard. it provide entertainment and fun while never getting too in depth and at the end, they get a short game that will provide entertainment for other people.

And you're saying we should take that from them just because, their game isn't original?!

Everyone starts out like that, those who thurst for more make original game with custom media. Those who don't are "unworthy" of this forum, you say?

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 09:27
What is it with the soap boxes on this forum.

At least this isn't another 'be nice to newbies' one. Maybe I should make one warning people of the dangers of FPSC soap-boxing, like frankly if you have something that you just have to say - usually that just means your taking this forum too seriously.


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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 09:30 Edited at: 11th Jan 2006 09:32
I'm certainly not saying that we should "take" that away from them, far from it. I never said they are unworthy or shouldn't be show, far from it; I said they "weren't showcasing anything", and really, if that's all it is, they're really not.

If all they want to do is impress their friends, then they really don't need to show their screenshots here, since they want there friends and collegues to see it--although that isn't the point.

It's entirely up to the end-user, but really, if there are hundreds of threads with a picture of a sci-fi segment and a crate... well... I think you get my drift.

Like I said, it's up to them, but I don't understand why anyone would have any incentive to show a screenshot of the aforementioned. Thinking about it, that sounds a bit mean; it's up to them, and them alone. I far from think that people shouldn't be allowed to post that sort of stuff, and it's up to them.

Of course, I understand that there's a 50% chance you weren't talking to me, so I'll shut up now

EDIT: Just realised that Van posted in before me


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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 09:51
Way off-topic: can someone explain what a soap box is in this context, please?

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 10:12
It's when you want a public rant, like ''Get off your soap box''.


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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 10:15
oh i understand now. lol i was siting here wondering what you ment by that.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 11:24
I can see that some threads written lately can be included in that definition VanB, including one of mine. Fortunatelly (or not) it's a matter of opinion, at least as far as I am concerned. I wrote it with the best of intentions and with no will of public rant, quite the opposite. I've done it in other communities, not game making related and with high levels of appreciation and with quite good results, that's why I did it here also.

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong by putting what I wrote in the same league, but I think you included it in that soap-box thing. If you see it that way, I am really sorry, be it a matter of your interpretation or my inability to make a better reasoning.

But I see your point and I understand how tough it is to be a mod around here and will act accordingly (sp?).

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 11:38
That statement wasn't a critisism of anyone in particular - more an observation peppered with boredom. Soap-box threads are par the course in communities like this, some of them are more effective than others. The thing that made me have to post was is the request for a sticky, that cracked me up! - like TGC telling it's customers not to post screenshots unless they're gonna make their own media!.

I mean, I can imagine a lot of newbies frowning at this post and asking how they're supposed to make their game different when you only get 2 styles of game media.


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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 11:42
Gotcha VanB, thank you for clearing it up. But we are hijacking the thread, why don't we get out of here now?

V

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 11:44
Agreed -

I had my "moment" when I first joined.

And consequently wished I hadnt.

Maybe its just a settling in thing.... Perhaps we need a dedicated soapbox forum! (ooh, that could get ugly).

Van B - Your comments about taking it too seriously are spot-on. I think that was the trap I fell into too.

Regarding the showcases.....But we do have to cater to everyone on this forum, regardless of talent or experience. Just cos you think something is crap doesnt actaually make it so - and what could take someone 10 minutes could quite easily take someone else 2 days.

Let them have a little "yay" moment if they want.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 11:52
Since I posted here, I might as well do it on-topic now.

Although I understand the reasons that made Bloodeath start this thread, I must say that is the entusiasm of some guys that makes me go to the Showcase forum. On one hand there are real wonders with custom media there and those will be around for sometime, on the other there are some that start really bad and die soon and those come and go with no particular hurt towards them or the others.

But it's the middle term that matters. I'm not going to mention names for a matter of respect, but there's at least one user that started with really bad stuff there, so bad I had a malicious smile more than once. But he never gave up, he continued working and having fun and right now he is posting some cute stuff and I bet that if he keeps it up he just might show some very interesting things there.

For that reason I think everyone should post. If you don't like it, don't see it. If you like it, participate. If it's good it will stay, if it's bad it will go to the bottom of the forum, so it's really no biggie.

V

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Posted: 11th Jan 2006 12:18
People are posting their work, that's the main thing imo.

Maybe if I was going to have a rant, it would be about every second post demanding a sticky...

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Posted: 12th Jan 2006 01:58
Quote: " like TGC telling it's customers not to post screenshots unless they're gonna make their own media!.
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its not what im saying
if all you have is basic media then thats cool we all did the stupid screenies at one time or another what im trying to get across is showing lets say crates and thats it isnt exactly exciting... i mean ive seen some great screenshots tooken of basic stuff...im just meaning like...well heres an example...of a screenshot i took for my purpose... Okay look one person with a gun strafing...thats a pointless screenshot cause it doesnt show anything but one person...but like more screenshots with better viewing or somthing...cause some of us (or maybe just me) dont wanna see one person like that...for some screenshots like if your trying to show somthing like how to turn the default blood into more like http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/bloodpoint/FPSC-Game2005-11-1921-20-23-03.jpg then i can understand but i mean like if theres no point in the picture besides trying to show 1 little thing just to show like that theres enemies in your game is just stupid... but if you have a purpose for the screenshot like the blood thing to show somthing or like a screenshot of a room full of enemies...if you dont see the difference...how can i put it simpler...dont show a blank hallway with nothing in it unless your showing off new textures or somthing (joking about showing off) but if your posting the picture just...well to have pictures of random crap like crates then its just stupid...
and for all purposes..i really didnt mean custom media i was just trying to get the point across to like actually showcase some really cool points in your games...cause i know every game everyone makes has somthing awesome in it (I should say most of the time) but stuff like crates just turns me and a few other people off to the game...and ive seen some people saying "Yeah! i cant wait to play it" to be noob friendly or somthing...but thats just not cool.
so if your offended by my post...well then okay...thats cool but i felt it had to be said.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2006 02:44
Bloodeath,

My first and last post on this subject at least in this thread :

Though I dont have any comment to make one way or another as to what my opinion is as to showcase relevances - but I personally can at least appreciate what you are saying.

Actually the screen shot you show above is quite an interesting one as it depicts at least an eye for composition and is taken I presume with that consideration in mind by someone who has tried to get a good angle on the scene. Of course it may be a lucky shot but the cross diagonal picture elements make for a very well balanced composition.

Personally it took me 1 years work with FPSC before I posted any game dev screenshots and that with some hesitation as the work is very much a WIP and not as finished by any means. I may not post again for some time as I will refrain from doing so unless I feel I have something valuable and useful regarding my game dev or something showing helpful FPSC gamemaking content shots.

I will be selective.

Having said that other users are different and they may want to post anything and everything and that is currently at least their choice.

In my opinion (heres my tip of the day) its often what you dont show that makes people want to see more. A few "choice" shots will do more to promote any game than a vast array of pics of generalised game screens of mediorcre value which will turn as many away as they attract.

As with anything in life gamemakers are well advised to show only their very best presentation.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2006 03:19 Edited at: 12th Jan 2006 03:24
Uman, you make your own media. Me, I have an eye for design and effecincy. I would GLADLY give advice to noobies, except they don't care. They think they are all great with this cool story, and they secretly want a team request. To any noob, I will join your team.

Right now, I am depressed. Lee has all these stupid restrictions lying around, I am pretty sure I hit almost all the map object limits. I DID hit the map light object limit, but removed a few light. I have an insane amount of segments (Over 90% are mine, but they are made with standard media), even though the rooms use similar media. And I have almost 300 entitys. And my FPS is GREAT (Some areas are slow, but I expected that in those areas. You can download my Map in the showcase.

In fact, I proved what I sought to prove with FPSC, you can have a great map, a great game, and it can still run well, if you make it right. In the final compile, I finally closed the gap between both big rooms, because I knew that to be a serious drain area. But, alas, I could not have all my enemys. And after placing the enemys so many times, I got tired of it.

I am currently working on a series of commands that will speed up FPSC by 6 FPS. Why 6? Because AI takes away 6 FPS. I have to think a little, but I am positive that it will be easy, just need to get a person to compile it though.


My point starts here.
Noobs want help, but they want people to do it. I some how managed to get a knack for something I have never done before. In fact that arnec multiplayer was really the first map I truely though worthy of being CALLED a map (Although it really was my 3rd map... don't make maps too often). Most noobs just post the first map they make, and want praise. I praise you for your effort.

Also, you can't learn FPS by reading posts, you have to see it. And you have to FEEL the way it works.


DANG!!!!11111one
My post HAS reached uman length.

So here it is, in order to beable to complain to noobs, you must provide your best maps, not best looking maps, but best running maps that look right. You must have tutorials, help them. Do everything to keep them good. And if they make a bad map, and IGNORE your teachings, then it is their fault. If they make a bad map, but attempt to make it good by listining, then they are okay.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2006 03:29
i just wanna squish the topic...i mean everyones turning this into somthing i never intended it to be...all im saying is do interesting screenies not just CRATES...jeeze...
just calm down...noobs dont bother me its the screenshots that bother me.
lol

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