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FPSC Classic Product Chat / To Lee, Mike, Richard etc.

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Lon
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Posted: 26th Jan 2006 21:42
Hi guys, I know you frequent this forum quite a bit, so I decided to post here. I was wondering if one of you could post some news at the FPSC forums on what's going on with FPSC lately as far bug fixes, improvements etc. We haven't heard much since the V1 release.

Thanks

Lon

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 26th Jan 2006 22:07
Shouldn't this be on the FPSC forums.

Talairina
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Posted: 26th Jan 2006 23:46
It is... :/
As Lon said, come on guy's even it's just a little snippet of information I would be happy. We've heard nothing about any future release's, fixes or model packs. Please just give us some information.

Tal
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Posted: 27th Jan 2006 00:22 Edited at: 27th Jan 2006 00:36
Yeah a little info would be nice for morale. I can realize the reluctance at giving out specifics or timelines, but even something as simple as, "Hang in there everyone, we're working on things...", would be great.

I love FPSC, I think it could be great, but I hate seeing posts from long-timers who have put in a lot of time and energy abandon the software.

Especially you Lon, you obviously have a lot of creativity and have taken the time to make something truly different and interesting.

Check out my site at http://hyrumark.zftp.com/
Lon
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Posted: 27th Jan 2006 02:19
My biggest fear, and I've been victim to this before, is that I'll throw a bunch of work into my project and discover a show stopper that makes the total project worthless. My biggest wait is the infamous save\load incorporation. From what Cellbloc has mentioned, it appears to be a tough nut to crack. I was kinda hoping that TGC was working on the FPSC engine to facilitate such an addition. I was hoping one of them would post saying that it would in fact be in the next version. My game is too hard and no save feature is out of the question, however I'm continuing on in a gamble that it will be there when I'm done. I just thought they might mention it. We can't expect the burdon to fall on Cellbloc, He doesn't need that kind of stress.

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Whyrag
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Posted: 27th Jan 2006 05:03 Edited at: 27th Jan 2006 05:05
The new issue should be sent to us February in the first week of the month ! They changed it and skipped an issue to do this.

Just letting you guys know if you might have skipped that post. L8R, whyrag




P.S. to Lee and webmaster dude. Please make a game thread !
jacko101
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Posted: 27th Jan 2006 10:35
If you read the latest newsletter, it states ......

"Development on the core three products (DBPro, DGSDK and FPSC) continues, and we will see new versions and upgrades for all of them released this year. FPS Creator has now hit retail in the United States, which is giving it a far wider exposure than our web site ever could. This also means it is finding its way into stores such as CompUSA."

Sureley that's all the news you need? I know we'd all like to see the improvements the product needs, but the above statement at least gives me a good impression that this is a 'flagship' product and will be updated and improved!

The next newsletter is out soon, so maybe they'll be more info in there!

Visual Dave
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Posted: 27th Jan 2006 14:43
ATTENTION TGC....ANYONE? PLEASE RESPOND. DON'T ABANDON US LIKE THIS. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!

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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 00:20
I THINK I SEE A BAN!!!!!!!

Don't do that, you really could get banned. And they have been around, so shut your sushi hole.


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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 00:36
Everyone is intitled to there opinion,if they bought the product and not happy then let them speak

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Bliz
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 01:54
Hello all,

I'm trying to decide whether to buy fpsc but the big thing putting me off is the lack of a save/load function. Without this functionality no FPSC derived games will ever be published.
If someone from TGC could just give an estimate of when this would be implemented then maybe people like myself could buy the product and start creating a game in the meantime.

Cheers,
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transient
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 03:32
There's a newsletter coming out in a few days.

That's where TGC make all their announcements, so no point asking here.

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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 04:15 Edited at: 28th Jan 2006 04:19
Quote: "That's where TGC make all their announcements, so no point asking here.
"


That may be true, but why do they simply ignore facts presented in these forums? It would only take 10mins of their time to pop in a reply. I seriously doubt the newsletter will hold a BOLD and NEW information about any upcoming fixes.

I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but it seems really funny to me that the only posts TGC has made in the past to these forums are of how they made it into another review or magazine. I get the feeling its about the profit more than the users. And if true, it will soon come to terms, the more they ignore what needs to be fixed and push towards global coverage, the more 'faithful' users they will loose due to not fixing current issues that exist.

I am sure they have had their fun from the profit that EA and V1 has generated, but its about time they start to satisfy the required fixes and come off of vacation. They will make more of a profit from a more stable, more feature rich version of FPSC instead of ignoring the postings here and the push for reviews.

I am starting to get the feeling that TGC is more leaning toward a profit from this endevor than an actual stable, updatable product.

The FPSC website doesn't even give minimum system requirements for new users. A bait and hook tactic. Now we have users who bought FPSC asking for minimum system reqquirements and having issues, which could be solved with simple verbage on the ABOUT section of the FPSC site. So when 'you' release your game, what do you put in your about section on the minimum system requirements? Basicly, 'We Don't Know'... If it does not work, then upgrade your system!' Poor choice for developers, since a user may have bought your game, and can't play it or it runs slow on their machine. Could cost you in a refund, if your selling your game with V1 which I can't see anyone doing. Why would you?

Don't get me wrong, FPSC has a way to go, and out-of-the-box it works for most. But define works... The FPSC website builds it up to something it is not. Plus there are NO real tutorials for adding your own models, or doing anything creative. You have to learn by the seat of your pants with many hours of trial and error. You'd think since 'they' developed it, there would be strait-forward tutorials of 'How-To' and such.

Marketing and gain, and users are left saying 'WTF??' In many cases these issues could have been avoided with a more solid product... Can you say $$$$$$$....


transient
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 04:57
I'm happy with it the way it is now. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

FPSC does everything it states on the features page. Name one thing it doesn't.

There's no need for a minimum requirements page becuase there's a trial version. TGC have made it clear that they will offer refunds to dissastisified customers anyway.

The majority of questions asked on this forum have already been answered months ago, it's more a case of laziness and noobitis than anything else.

Besides, TGC have an excellent support system where you can get live feedback on the status of your query, which is great compared to most companies.

These forums have an extremely bad reputation at the moment, so I'm not surprised TGC avoid the place.

It wouldn't surprise me if part of the delay in announcements has something to do with the general malaise of these boards, and TGC knowing from past experience to tread carefully with militant geeks.

If they announce something which doesn't eventuate, these boards will erupt. If they announce that "we don't know the exact future just yet", these boards will erupt.

I feel sorry for them.

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
Undercover Steve
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 05:00
Transient, you are truely a credit to the future of fpsc.

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Aoneweb
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 06:02
It would appear that there is at least one person happy with FPSC, must work for the promotion dept.


Mike Johnson
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 13:38
Lots going on recently including translating FPS Creator to French amongst other things.

Will be further information about what is going on in the newsletter before too long.
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 14:01
i agree with rastaman on the veiw of fpsc.

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Visual Dave
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 23:03
Getting banned for using caps is ridiculous to say the least but I will control my anger somewhat....NOT.

I think everyone wants ANSWERS!!!!!

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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 23:07
You could get banned if you do it enough with no reason...


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Doughboy
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 23:13
Nice to hear the product isn't even expected to reach version 2
Avenging Eagle
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Posted: 28th Jan 2006 23:48
Quote: "Nice to hear the product isn't even expected to reach version 2 "


Why would it?

The community has already made loads of mods and add-on programs that pretty much elevate FPSC V1 as far as it can go. Lets not forget that TGC are interested in making money and if all they can offer is a save/load game function, some new segments and new characters, its not really worth it.

The segment editor can manage just about every segment upgrade you could ever want.

Riker 9 may take care of vehicles, flash-lights, allies and save/load game.

fpi maker can make new scripts

sign maker can make wall furniture

The list is endless and i bet the question TGC are asking themselves is "Where next?"

Do they involve graphical quality or playability with new function?

I think we'll hear more about their plans when riker 9 is released/dies,

AE
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 01:21
It depends on your defintion of "version" I guess.

I mean it seems DBPro is still a first version product thats up to patch 5.9, if I'm not mistaken.

To be honest coming out and saying that there'll probably be no V2 FPSC, without further clarification, was a bit silly given the current tensions.

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 02:21
CompUSA ? CompUSA sucks!
RastaMan-I couldn't have said it better than myself! Was I not right all along so far? Everyone one want's to know what the con is huh? Here it is- For all we know Ricker9 COULD be working for TGC.
Militant geeks? You may be right but some of us are pros and have a life.
Transient-Your a fool. Please get off the Forums right now. Hungry and Starving artists at work here!
Undercover Noob-You have a long way to go.
Mike Johnson-Get back to work....please.
If you mods have to say something to us everytime someone get upset about FPSC and TGC then theres something else going on altogether!
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Morty
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 06:04
Well, that was tactful.

RastaMan
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 07:08
Seems funny... I looked all over the site, now today I find this:

https://www.fpscreator.com/sysreq.html

Now I could be wrong... And that would be pushing it. But since the this thread about 'What's Up' is going on, it seems that System Specs have been posted on the 'ORDER' page. Why not the 'About Page'? An observation, and I am sure they will note it as threat, but never the less, hidden from plan view.


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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 07:54
Yeah! What I said!

And I still like sheep! They feel so good!

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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 09:44
Rastaman:
I would agree that the requirements page may not be in plain view, but it was there back in November. As I don't have a tripped out gaming machine, I checked it before I made my purchase.

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RJ... they are moving towards you... the circle is gathering... RUN! RUN! RUN YOUR LIFE!!

But please, keep posting... I need a relaxing laugh from time to time.

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Here is the way to deal with unhappy customers, lock the thread, reminds me of Cshop, say something Negative, and your post disappears.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=70444&b=21


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Vlad. They will never get me, for my SHEEP will protect me!
All hail for I have SPOKEN!!!
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Is to much too drop in and post a "hey were workin on this and this". Customer interaction is very important, then again what do I know
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I have no issues with my system building games...but it is the people that PLAY them that have the issues.

I gave a test level out to 8 friends to give me feedback.

Comments came back:

Why does it take so long to load?
Why is it jerking or certain screens flash about?
Some enemies stand there doing nothing.
The game runs too slow.
The graphics are OK, but runs too slow.

There are other games in the marketplace I am in. They have WAY better graphics/sounds/AI/save/load etc etc. They are running a different game engine - a faster one that compensates.

So where does that leave me? I can't tell people to spend $500 or more to upgrade their system so they can play my game (which is slower and a bit dated by today's standards).
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Posted: 29th Jan 2006 20:57
Its funny init. Mike says something and is almost completely ignored.

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RastaMan
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Posted: 30th Jan 2006 00:03 Edited at: 30th Jan 2006 00:04
Quote: "Will be further information about what is going on in the newsletter before too long"


It's already been far 'too long'...


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I DON'T KNOW WHO THE FU%# is using my name and website but nobody is fooled by your bullsh$t. This is the REAL RaymondJ speaking by the way.
When I find you I can and will send a special program through this fourm that will track you down and then your ass is mine. I WILL FIND YOUR IP ADDRESS and theres nothing you can do about it.
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I had nothing but respect for this forum...but now you people are in deep sh*t.

R.J.
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I have a better idea RayJ. Put up a php picture as your avitar. You may know the rest.

As a note: Anyone with the date of jan 19 2006 will burn. BURN I SAY!

So it shall be.

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Only a retard and coward who has no business on a computer let alone
this fourm would use my name and my copyrighted site to talk sh$t and
can't back themselfs up. If the Mods do not take you off at once I will take action apond this part of the forum. Please don't risk it.

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Merranvo, Your one of the few with a brain and wisdom to match.

R.J.
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Merranvo is a dipcrap who hides within his stupidity. You and him are the same RaymondJ!

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Raymond, I would be carful. The MODS show up when you REALY dont want them to, so DO NOT post stuff like that unless you want to get banned.

Your signature has been erased by a mod, because the mod was so jealous of it that he couldnt bare looking at it.
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edit: meh, not worth it, he isnt insulting me yet, so I am fine.

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Thanks for the news Mike. I'l be looking forward to the news letter.

Lon

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Who? Me?

"THE CONSPIRACY"

R.J

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Posted: 31st Jan 2006 15:54
Quote: "I'm happy with it the way it is now. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

FPSC does everything it states on the features page. Name one thing it doesn't."


You continually crack me up..... do you even use FPSC at all?

I'll name you one and it's only one of many..... The Story Zone Marker, advertised feature, but not working at all. Try to build a game with the story zone in a number of levels and your game is bound to crash. This acutally is one of the few bugs / none working features that has been confirmed by TGC. That in itself is a rarity.

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@UNoob: For being a boy of 27, you sure do act like a 2 year old. Just because you lack the intelectual means to understand what I am saying, doesn't mean that you have to hate everyone. Go watch an episode of Barney.

Here we have a poor boy, RayJ who has had a mock account made after him. Sure, some of his comments are a bit extream, but you must remember, you are the adult. You are the guy who gets to stand up and role model for the newer generation.

Yes, I know that the older generations are going out fast, but you must adapt, not prevent the flow of idea. Everything you know is but an idea, it may be wrong, it may be right. But ideas come and go, the longer 1 idea lingers, the less we actually know. For to believe a singular theory is but to restrict the flow of science, and to reverse all we have done... to get where we are now.

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**forget it.

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I can't, He bashes me on every post I make

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But the concept of thought and newer generations cant be mixed. Many of the newer generations themselves are undoing us with what they bring. I believe in the concept of group thought, to where the older generations should react to this change in unison change. Rap and Hip hop have only affected world cultures in far more negatove ways than positive. the older you are, the less likely you are to understand teens. The belief in singular theory is yet a concept of basic thought, which most likely could be considered wrong. Mass change has caused differences which could affect society in many negatives ways. The thought difference between romans and the inhabitants of gaul caused such a shift of thought that it negatively affected society, and if they had been more universal and alike in thought this negative event would never have occured. Different thinkers have always allowed innovation, but where has this innovation gotten us? Altering the food chain, removing human need to be selective, and kill of life not worthy of survival (you), and allow even those who need not, or have the will not, to survive, survive. Your theories have no true meaning, and the complete destruction of the western and eastern civilizations will come because we couldnt simply be the same. One such as yourself may not realise what this means, but it truely dictates everything in the past 100 years. If the influenza wasnt stopped, only the strongest would have survived. If the computer hadnt been invented, we would kill more people in wars, accidentally. The cold war would have never reached its peak. But innovation can be considered only a minor detail in changing thought. If we all thought alike, innovation still would have come, but at the same level with everyone. This would have prevented the fracturing of society and cultural differences of today. But humanity on whole cant stand the thought of it, so it will never happen. But singular thought is something that actually *benifits* society, and different thoughts ruin most of society.

edit: Going out fast? Actual my generation is just dying because of your generation. I assume your a 10 year old, so yes it is your generation. generation "x" is corrupting the very roots of civilization with un-necessary change. Because humanity wont stop this because of the freedom we give (that clearly nature distastes), they live to spread this. We dont stop it, more of this spreads, and soon the younger generations influence society more than the leaders, and intelligent people of the other generations. Clearly this means that the old fabric of society rips, and many arent ready for this. But you would know? Teens are now *allowed* to be gay in school, *allowed* for girls to wear peircings, many places allow girls to wear skimpy outfits, and the things people wear now are horrible. Your generation has messed societies roots to the core, and basically started a change of degenerative moves that may cost an entire 10 year gap of technological improvements that we have now.

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