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What took 20 functions in ancient languages now takes a single command. Why? Various processes have been included in public libraries and even imbedded in processors and video card chip sets since then, thus allowing practical advancement.

What we need is what our programming forefathers worked hard to create. We need a library of DLL's (outside the API) for public use! With a little work and cooperation, we could have seen the next generation of code long ago.

Why hasn't it happened? Mostly because for so long, the industry standard languages (C++, for example) were written and administrated by money hungry mage corporations, like Microsoft. Though part of me hates them, part of me must respect them for the enterprise they are.

Now comes along Dark Basic, and a handful of other languages aimed toward the next step. By taking modern tasks, and allowing them to be implemented using older, more simplified techniqes, these languages are boldly going where no geek has gone before.

So what do we need? We need the same thing our forefathers needed. We need a public library! No, not a $500 book on how to use the API, or even a propretiered SDK! What we need is a library that is completely open to the public, and professionally documented!

How many SDK's out there list the calls for their respective DLL's in a comprehensive document? How many give you both the syntax AND the semantics? How many simply TELL you what parameters will be needed? This is what we need! A consolidated collection of all open source DLL's that is well documented, and well represented!

If we wait around for some company to forget about profit and make this, we will never have it! There will NEVER be a standardized way of presenting resources for programming. Cross platform development will ALWAYS be expensive and difficult! All the while, coders will continue to go to school to learn only where to find resources, and a generic way of implementing them, only to be passed up in life by people who taught themselves, and never stepped foot in a CS classroom. This must end!

-OR-

Somebody must slap me around for the practical newbie I am, and tell me "Man, that already exists, at this URL lol u get pwned n00b!" Please?

<Takes a hit off the Bong> yea man, what he said.

So like if you send me say $87,340
I will have that library ready for you in about 23 weeks.
OK?

I think I do a fairly good job with documentation for my plug-ins. I'll send round the boys if anyone disagrees...

lol Nevermind y'all missin what I was saying altogether

so Galiem you finally see that by being told what to do and memorise to produce a function, rather than telling you why it produces the effect isn't the right way eh?

if i were you i'd forget everything that your confused with in SDK and such ... just concentrate on the basics - you'll get it from there.

but what we do really need are 3kegs of Guiness, one of Coke Cola ... and a barrel of skittles (^_^)
cause i wanna code for the next 12 hours hehee

"I'll send round the boys if anyone disagrees..."

Translation: His ego is to big to be defined as one persona.

My ego's got its own MP...

well we've all been wondering when it'll be be enough to be counted as its own country

the Toady Republic or something

What's the keg of cola for Raven? I must be overlooking something, maybe your keyboard is very large and needs cleaning.... ?

Galiem sort of has a point, .dll files are all very well but to be honest I havn't a clue as to what is out there and what commands I could be using, a consolidated DBPro .dll site would be good. Although I would not fancy redoing any documentation for them!

And Toady, your documentation is good but could be clearer in some descriptions, like with anything programming-wise using them soon clears up any confusion - although the SQL stuff looked quite complicated and I havn't got around to experimenting with it.

hehee... its for my new invention ... Guitle Cola
my DLLs have been precise and to the point (admitidly only released one working so far hehee)

but you put it in, and then check the OS version with the command

check os version([win9xmajor],[win9xminor],[winntmajor],[winntminor],[servicepack])

so you'd type check os version(4,0,0,0,0) if you wanted to check for Win95 ... i even posted most of the combinations you could have in the thread for it

i'm gonna figure out howto make a command which doesn't require ALL of the variables input - so you could do like

check os version(4,0) and it'd check for win95
check os version(0,0,4,0) and it'd check for winnt 4
check os version(0,0,5,1,1) and it'd check for WinXP SP1

i can't stand having functions which you have to figure out how they work everytime to be honest, and always end up with the simplest route to achieve something

Okay I should elaborate...

First off, I understand the basics. Well beyond actually, as far as DB is concerned.

What I am studying now is the proper implementation and use of the various DLL libraries available. This post was a comment on the current programming community, across all platforms. The comment may be put better this way:

Thousands, upon hundreds of thousands of developers have open source libraries on thousands upon thousands of sites. Sometimes these libraries are well documented. Usually, they are not. This is especially true in regards to those made by the bigger development firms.

What I would love to see (and maybe I'm just being idealistic) is one site where either files are hosted with the proper credits, or links are provided to where they are hosted. The files on this site would be DLL's, files containing formatted functions, etc.

Along with each DLL woul be a document listing the calls within, and the proper syntax/ semantics for those calls.

The main purpose of this site would be as a learning tool. This would be for people who aren't such newbies that they need basic logics gates explained to them, but are struggling with the use of things such as libraries, and other advanced programming concepts.

The library should be open source. It should include variations and alternatives to all the basic needs. Replacement Direct X files that allow direct access to display card embedded commands, a couple alternatives to the API, etc, etc... All from one source with all the documentation needed.

I would be more than willing to pay for hosting for even just DB developers to consolodate their DLL's into one site. What I was hoping for was a "Hey, good idea, but who will do the work?" or even "Hey numbskull, go join MSDN". What I got was *Takes a hit from the bong*.... I think both WTF and LOL are appropriate here.

And Raven, your DLL's ROCK!!! You document them VERY well, and they provide a medium for accomplishing tasks that DB simply doesn't provide yet, as well as alternatives. You have just gained a fan 8) I hope to work with you on a project one day 8)

Raven hit the nail on the head :

[QUOTE] i can't stand having functions which you have to figure out how they work everytime to be honest, and always end up with the simplest route to achieve something [/QUOTE]

Mostly was just curious if there are other people out there who would like to see or lend a hand in creating this super library... Basically just consolidated open source work, so all it would really be is gather, link, document 8)

I gotta start writing shorter posts

lmao... well i somehow feel you're thoughts about my DLLs are exagerated cause i've made 2 for DBpro so far and one crashed the compiler hehee - so not exactly the best coding on my part

but i try, and thats almost as important as making them work
'its not the winning its the taking part'

i know it bollocks, but makes me feel better well most of the time hehee

i think insider is doing a good job of collecting up DBpro DLLs and right now really thats what more conserns us all, perhaps full documentation in a java window on download would be nice ... personally i'd like a DB help file which we could patch with java data so that we could create our own help/command-sensitive files

(ps i hate it when i get that "boom" message ... stupid user timeout)