Sorry your browser is not supported!

You are using an outdated browser that does not support modern web technologies, in order to use this site please update to a new browser.

Browsers supported include Chrome, FireFox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer 10+ or Microsoft Edge.

FPSC Classic Product Chat / I want to prove these guys wrong....

Author
Message
Wyatt Earp
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Dec 2005
Location: Canada
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 02:47
I wish I had the bug fix and patch in hand. I'd love to prove these guys wrong. I got my copy of PCZONE in the mail, it included a game made with FPSC. The game crashed in the middle. But here is the review:



Jan 06 Besides a few rocky outcrops of amazing FPS titles, I think you'll agree that the majority of firstperson shooters are pretty stale. You know what you're getting when you play these games: zombies in the future, Nazis in the past, Nazi-zombies on Fridays. Well now, with FPS Creator, you too can make your own bog-standard blaster!

As the name clearly states, the package allows you to create your own FPS games with absolutely zero coding skills and even fewer 3D modelling skills. What's more, whereas previous make-your-own-game software merely allowed you to choose a hero, an enemy and a type of pie before presenting you with a crappy identikit shooter, FPS Creator actually gives you an impressive amount of freedom, while still retaining that falling-off-a-log difficulty level.

GREASE ME UP
With tile-based level design, drag-and-drop entities and a raft of prefab rooms and structures, you can literally create your own FPS in a matter of minutes. The thing is, without coding or modelling skills, you're restricted to Nazi games and zombie games, and terrible ones at that. If your coding skills amount to completing the beginner's Sudoku in The Guardian, FPS Creator is nothing more than a means of creating awful, featureless shooters. Then again, if you're one of those long-haired, greasy people who could actually create something decent with this software, you'll be the sort to briefly mock it before returning to creating your own graphics engines, sub-routines and whatnot.

That said, I had great fun developing my game, Space Zombies (In Space) - see it on this month's PC Zone DVD - but only because I never took it seriously. Start taking FPS Creator seriously, and it quickly becomes apparent how underequipped it leaves you to create anything decent. The games you create are your own intellectual property too, a privilege afforded by the fact that nobody in their right mind will buy the tripe you develop.

Don't get me wrong though, even though the end product is useless, creating your own game is fantastic fun - just don't expect to become the next Carmack. If you want to do that, start learning binary now.

PC Zone staff
=ChrisB=
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Jun 2005
Location: starring into a viewfinder
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 05:25
Yea, there just being payed by someone to make FPSC look bad.
Doughboy
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 27th Dec 2005
Location: Canada
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 06:17
"even though the end product is useless"

There it is
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 07:42 Edited at: 7th Feb 2006 08:23
Januaruy Issue of PC Zone, eh?

Quote: "Start taking FPS Creator seriously, and it quickly becomes apparent how underequipped it leaves you to create anything decent. The games you create are your own intellectual property too, a privilege afforded by the fact that nobody in their right mind will buy the tripe you develop."


Clearly the Editor is an idiot to tell his readers that their creations are "tripe".
Calling there creations "useless" or "worthless" is not very bright regardless of how they created it.


Quote: "As the name clearly states, the package allows you to create your own FPS games with absolutely zero coding skills and even fewer 3D modelling skills. What's more, whereas previous make-your-own-game software merely allowed you to choose a hero, an enemy and a type of pie before presenting you with a crappy identikit shooter, FPS Creator actually gives you an impressive amount of freedom, while still retaining that falling-off-a-log difficulty level.
"

This is the part that proves my point.
FPS Creator allows its user to import their own media easier than any other engine.
Therefore, if your end result is "useless" or "tripe", it is only because of the user's skills Mr. Editor.
FPSC is not to blame for your FPS Games being "stale".

Quote: "With tile-based level design, drag-and-drop entities and a raft of prefab rooms and structures, you can literally create your own FPS in a matter of minutes. "

Don't you forget it!
What other engine can boast this with NO ROYALTY or LICENSE FEES???
NONE!



Quote: "I want to prove these guys wrong...."

I find it humorous to see someone's conclusion being exactly opposite of what their argument suggested.
His points throughout the article contradict the conclusion, so he has proven himself wrong.
Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my opinion is that the Author of that Article is an Idiot, and so is the Editor for running that crap.


Quote: "even though the end product is useless"

Pure propaganda, and amateurish at that.
Nothing more than an opinion.

As far as the games made with FPSC...
Whos game did he play, his own?
So, our future games must be bad because his was?

Like I said ...he's an idiot...its only my opinion.

He said himself it only takes minutes to create a game with FPSC, and that's probably all he spent on his.
That's why it crashed half way through.
His game might be "tripe" and "useless" because he was too busy writing articles to make a decent game.
That doesn't mean our games will be useless, because FPSC does give us the power to do what we want.
He can speak for himself and his creations, because I like my games and I love FPSC.





transient
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Apr 2005
Location: Australia Zoo
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 08:11
This is old news.

Noob alert....

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
Obbidiah
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 21st Nov 2005
Location: England
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 08:13
Well said conjured.....and lets face it,FPS will get a lot better in time,it only came out last September. !!!!

No Husband was ever killed while doing the dishes !!!!!
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 08:33 Edited at: 7th Feb 2006 08:51
Quote: "it only came out last September"

That's another one of my points!
9-22-2005
It hasn't even been out for 5 months yet!!!

It is totally up to you what you do with this software!
The License allows for commercial opportunties on whatever scale you desire!
I had never heard of TheGameCreators before September of last year.
I have released my first game and I have made a profit from it.
If I can do it, so can you!

Don't worry about it Wyatt. They Are Wrong! And we all know it.




tpfkat
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 1st Sep 2005
Location: lancashire/uk
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 09:23
i dont wish to rant on..but this is somthing ive been saying for ages and noone listens.........out of the box with the usual instructions fpsc is nothing more than a slightly better 3dgm.
not everyone thinks " now ive bought it ill see if theirs a forum that teaches me how to add even more to it" they install it to hdd and then find the bugs.
if you bought a game and it didnt run properly coz you had to wait 6-12 months for a patch youd be furoius.
every one says " fpsc is great for the money it costs"........personally i would have paid more for a working version with ladders ( advertised in the ea version).but thats the point.....they cant sell it for more becuase of its problems.
dbc and dbpro as far as im concerened are spot on, but then i got into buying ea versions for fpsc and 3dws and its been a bit of a let down,3dws is ( so i was told by josh k) finished so i got the patch and..well.....then im told " nothing is finished".
i look at it as ..its finished then improve it. rather than..it doesnt work properly or well hide some of the instructions then expect all the reveiws to be good.
i also hope tgc prove me wrong coz i bought it and now its gathering dust, id much prefer to be able to use it.

the programmer formarly known as thicko.
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 09:48 Edited at: 7th Feb 2006 09:59
Quote: "i dont wish to rant on..but this is somthing ive been saying for ages and noone listens........."

Ages? You mean since September, and that's hardly ages.
It seems to me that all the complainers have one thing in common.
They can't make a game that they are happy with.
I think it is either that they just can't make a good game, or they can't admit their failure.
So, its much easier to blame the things around them, ie. their tools.
You can import your own media, so the games are only limited to your imagination.
The games are a reflection of your skills as a developer since you're not limited.
These "BUGS" everyone refers too are few and known.
Not surprising for a First Version to have a few bugs...imagine that.
If anyone is not listening it is you...
FPSC hasn't even been out for 5 months yet!!!
Give TGC time to make the fixes or do it yourself if you can't wait.
They did give you the source code, what else you want.

Its up to you what you do with this software!





Benjamin A
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 31st Oct 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 16:30
I hardly ever take some of these reviews serious. Some of them are actually payed (or bribed is a better word perhaps) to write a good review. Some of them even call 3D Studio Max the #1 selling 3D Modeling Application.... shows how much they know and what age they do live in.

If you can create something good with FPSC depends on the user... the potential is there, you just need to get down to doing it.

MegaMusic Pack 01.... 31 original soundtracks for your games!
http://www.aeilkema.dds.nl/mega/index.html
tpfkat
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 1st Sep 2005
Location: lancashire/uk
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 16:48
wow conjured......you avoided my question,i asked what the name of your selling game was.
ive made apps that im happy with,in dbpro and A6, just not been able to finish a project because of missing items and bugs.
5 months, i just wanted the software as advertised so dont lecture me about what i can and cant do...so answer my original question.
your fast to call people failures without actually getting any info about them......your quite ignorent, so how about the name of your " top selling game "

the programmer formarly known as thicko.
Silvester
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Dec 2005
Location: Netherlands
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 16:54
I know why they say
"the end program is useless"

i guess they mean that no saving is there and no loading etc.

BUT still they should have looked at the release date of the program.....

[href]www.freewebs.com/edromeproductions[/href]
look there for all my model packs latest updtes and other stuff!
(its not old yet)
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 17:18
Quote: "your fast to call people failures without actually getting any info about them......your quite ignorent, so how about the name of your " top selling game ""

I didn't call anyone a failure.
I stated that I think that they (the complainers) can't admit their failures.

I did not rag on their game, so I don't need any info other than what I have already seen them say.
Like you and what you said...lets break down one part...
"your quite ignorent"
Do you mean ..."you're quite ignorant"
See, I don't need any more info than what they tell me to know who the real idiot is.
You want the name of my game eh.
So, you can rag and complain on that too???
Click that button that says web to go to my site, then you will know the game's name.
I look forward to your negative feedback, because I know that is all you want to do.

"The Hunt For Osama" is the title of my game.

Have a Nice Day

tpfkat
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 1st Sep 2005
Location: lancashire/uk
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 17:27
Quote: "I think it is either that they just can't make a good game, or they can't admit their failure"


that is calling someone a failure so stop trying to back out,stick with what you said, ill have a look at your game, im actually hoping to be quite shocked, but i dought it.

the programmer formarly known as thicko.
Megaton Cat
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 17:29
Some of the comments posted here by FPSC users further proves just how idiotic some of you guys are.

Nothing wrong with that review. A review is just a journalist's opinion of the product.

And no he wasn't "payed by someone to make FPSC look bad".
You watch too many movies.

tpfkat
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 1st Sep 2005
Location: lancashire/uk
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 17:31
hahahahaha
i cant play the demo coz their isnt one, but the picture on your website is....flawed ( the one with the terrorist with 2 pairs of legs lol).so is their a demo or am i wasting my time.

the programmer formarly known as thicko.
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 17:32 Edited at: 7th Feb 2006 18:04
No demo. Did you see one?
Ah maybe that's it...you are blinded by your desires into missing what is real.

I was stating what I think their problem is.
Lets face it, if they are the only one's complaining, then they are the only one's with problem.

I think that the problem is in the USER and not the Software.


There, that is a better way to say it.
I am sorry if I sounded offensive, but I am really sick of people complaining about the same few bugs when TGC has simply not had enought time to address them.
IT TAKES TIME TO PROGRAM WELL!!!
But since the majority of the COMPLAINERS CAN'T CODE, I guess I'll have to demonstrate more patience myself.


I am sorry to sound harsh here, but this rush for V2 is wearing me thin.


Quote: "Some of the comments posted here by FPSC users further proves just how idiotic some of you guys are.

Nothing wrong with that review. A review is just a journalist's opinion of the product. "


(1) The Author of the article wrote a review of FPSC which is only an opinion.
(2) I wrote a review of his article, which is also an opinion.
(3) tpfkat wrote a response to my post, which is also an opinion.
(4) Megaton Cat wrote a review of our posts, which is also an opinion.
(5) Everyone who wrote an opinion thinks the other guys are idiots.

Conclusion: Anyone who writes down their opinion will be deemed to be an idiot by others.

What do the rest of you "idiots" think?



just kidding





Obbidiah
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 21st Nov 2005
Location: England
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 17:59
I cant think of any program I have bought over the years that has never needed a patch or update to run smoothly.While were waiting for the FPS patch,the best thing I can think of is to get to know the software inside out (which takes time) & plan your game or level BEFORE you make it.The end result will be better than just diving in.After all the MAIN thing about FPS is to have FUN.

No Husband was ever killed while doing the dishes !!!!!
SpyDaniel
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Feb 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 18:06
You get people complaining only because they are kids, 10-15 year olds, or even the odd older teenager with mental problems. They just dont understand that games and software take years to perfect. You should know that 'Sherk' the movie took around 4 yours to complete. Dont complain about bugs, be greatful you have what you have.
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 18:06 Edited at: 7th Feb 2006 18:14
EXACTLY Obbiadiah!

There's a positive note.

Quote: "the MAIN thing about FPS [Creator] is to have FUN"

I concur.





=ChrisB=
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Jun 2005
Location: starring into a viewfinder
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 19:05
Yea i probobly do Fat cat slim (sorry, couldnt help that one)!
But seriously. He should'v got his facts strait before he wrote that.
Megaton Cat
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 20:44
Quote: "(4) Megaton Cat wrote a review of our posts, which is also an opinion."


Do you even KNOW what a review is?

xplosys
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Jan 2006
Playing: FPSC Multiplayer Games
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 21:34
Here is my review (for what it's worth)

I did'nt buy FPSC thinking that I was going to make professional 3d titles and millions of dollars. I bought it because I like to play first person shooters and it looked like it would be a blast to create some myself. (it is a blast!)

The product was like 50.00 bucks. If you thought it was more than it is, get over it.

FPSC is in it's infancy. It can only improve over time. Even if Game Creators drops the title, others will continue to make improvements in the code. Coders are already making GUI's for all sorts of things and there are some great ones on the site.

As with any product, there are limitations to what you can do, but what you turn out with it is up to you. You don't have to use the built in prefabs, segment, entities, etc... Make your own!

Just my opinion, but I think it's an amazing piece of work that works well.

Crazy
Chimera
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 18th Dec 2004
Location: Belgium
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 21:52
The program IS kinda un-user friendly though if you want to make something decent: like I wanted to raise my house half a meter (a house made of segments), I had to make all the segments and the doors and the stairs out of the house a bit higher with that segment kit tool, which took me lots and lots of time! and it's still kinda buggy with flickering textures cos the engine can't really recognise the in- and outsides of that house.
Zone Chicken
20
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 25th Jan 2004
Location: `~-..-~`~-..-~`
Posted: 7th Feb 2006 23:26
Quote: "and it's still kinda buggy with flickering textures cos the engine can't really recognise the in- and outsides of that house."


That's not the engine thats because you have overlaying polys = bad geometry in the model/scene. Your polys should always rest against never through another poly.

Your signature has been erased by a mod -- please resize to under 600x120...
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 00:41 Edited at: 8th Feb 2006 01:00
Quote: "Do you even KNOW what a review is? "

Yeah, I do.
I guess now you think that Webster's is wrong too.

See, that whole thing at the end was a joke. IE the "just kidding" part.
Do you even KNOW what a Joke is?

I guess they are the same thing when you consider that article.

His Review is a Joke.




transient
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Apr 2005
Location: Australia Zoo
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 01:33
Whatever else was said in this review, he said he had fun, which is really the whole point.

It's the wannabe Carmacks that ruin this scene.

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
Klick
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Jan 2006
Location: ANGEL COMMANDing...
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 08:28
Hey I`m getting confused here... wasn`t Merranvo AND Conjured Entertainment banned from the forums?


Lecture me if he/she/they isn`t/aren`t

<{@.@~}>- "i DoN`T sUFfeR FRoM iNSAnIty, i 3NjoY 3vErY S3coNd oF It!"
tpfkat
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 1st Sep 2005
Location: lancashire/uk
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 09:24
Quote: "I cant think of any program I have bought over the years that has never needed a patch or update to run smoothly.While were waiting for the FPS patch,the best thing I can think of is to get to know the software inside out (which takes time) & plan your game or level BEFORE you make it.The end result will be better than just diving in.After all the MAIN thing about FPS is to have FUN"


i have bought tons of software that doesnt need patches to run smoothly....clearly your making up info to support yourself with.
i have downloaded patches to enhance game play or other things but everything worked fine. look at all the bugs reported by people with fpsc,locking up, wont install,white spots, wont play the finished item. how can those people have "fun" if its not working properly.
like i said, i hope they sort it out so that my copy will actually be usable that way i wont have wasted my money.

the programmer formarly known as thicko.
Obbidiah
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 21st Nov 2005
Location: England
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 18:00
So the copy of windows your using now works perfect,its the first I have heard of.You have never had a blue screen or system freeze.All Im saying is ALL software is flawed & needs updates or patches,be it games,cad systems,etc.FPS Creator is no exeption.Yes it is frustrating when something is not right or is missing from the system but they have said they are putting it right & that takes time.Even with the package that was released it is a breakthrough in game designing.Have you ever tried to learn a programing language then design & produce a fps game,it takes a lot longer than using something like FPS Creator I can asure you.Some of the BUGS you mentioned can also be down to peoples setup of their computer like drivers for video cards out of date,not installing Direct 9c & even not running Windows XP.That is why this forum is here,to help each other out in the making of games & who knows,maybe have a laugh along the way.CHILL

No Husband was ever killed while doing the dishes !!!!!
tpfkat
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 1st Sep 2005
Location: lancashire/uk
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 18:20
OBBIDIAH , ive already had this conversation b4, ive never had probs with win xp it needs maintanence somtimes but that depends on whether you want your system running right,fpsc is no breakthrough compared to other software out there so maybe research is needed b4 typing.
no software is as flawed as fpsc,i know how long it takes to make a peice of software like an fps type game so dont try to lecture me,
as for chilling....im chilled, im just putting my opinion across,im just a bit annoyed that you presume to know everything about game making.i bought fpsc for a specific reason,v1 does not do what i was led to believe it would do,so im voicing off my opinion,you on the other hand like fpsc and have no problems so your voicing off too ( even without any research).

the programmer formarly known as thicko.
ultraplex
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 8th Dec 2005
Location: cyberspace
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 18:24 Edited at: 8th Feb 2006 18:26
k lets give tpkat a break shall we, he has a valid opinion at the end of the day good or bad...
has for the review it has valid points if if u read it proper it has good points and bad,which is normal for a review..

Never eat yellow snow
Obbidiah
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 21st Nov 2005
Location: England
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 19:04
I dont presume anything,I dont lecture anybody,I dont know everything about game making.That was MY opinion.You dont like FPS,Fine.I dont take it as seriously as lot of people though.FPS costs £30,you can get it cheaper on the net & for what you get,I think its very good value.You dont.Opinions are what this forum is all about.Maybe when the patch arrives you will take to FPS a bit more,I hope so.All the best.

No Husband was ever killed while doing the dishes !!!!!
Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 22:09 Edited at: 8th Feb 2006 22:39
Quote: "as for chilling....im chilled, im just putting my opinion across"

I agree.


Quote: "v1 does not do what i was led to believe it would do"

Who led you to believe otherwise?
The SAVE/LOAD was not finished in time for the release, and that fact was disclosed by TGC before the product was released. As for any bugs, its only natural that the users of a new program might find a bug that the development team didn't find. The discovery of a couple of bugs in a new release is normal and should be expected.

All this complaining over things does not to solve the problem.
TGC gave you the source code for FPSC.
Do your other engines do that???

The real truth is that FPSC is THE BEST product available for anyone to develop PC Games.

(1) FPSC offers a drag and drop editor for building your game. No programming neccessary!

(2) FPSC allows you to import your own media. So, the game design is only limited to your imagination.

(3) It's affordable. VERY affordable. By far its the better value than the other engines.

(4) The Licence Agreement, which does not include any Royalty or Licensing Fees on your releases, is superior to other development software. The others all have additional fees.

(5) TGC not only offered an Early version for those who couldn't wait for V1, but then they gave you the source to V1 to make your own changes if you didn't want to wait for V2.

(6) FPSC is the easiest way to make a PC Game. Period! I challenge anyone to show me otherwise.


If you want everything to be perfect and not have to do any work at all, then just buy a game instead of trying to make your own.

Creating games does take a little effort on your part, if you want your game to look original.
TGC makes that process easy for you. Be glad they are here to help you.

What else can I say to make people realize what a good thing that they have and that they are taking it for granted?

Quote: "Yea, there just being payed by someone to make FPSC look bad. "

You may be right Chris.
I am starting to think the other engines pay people to pose as children and say bad things here.

Quote: "no software is as flawed as fpsc"

How much did they pay you to say that? (I'm only kidding tpfkat.)
We all know that statement is preposterous.



I'm done here
I've made my point and expressed my opinion.

I LOVE FPS Creator!
I can not find any other software that comes close to comparing to TGC's products.
Now that I have found TGC, I have stopped looking.
My search for game development software is over.
I recognize a Golden Goose when I see one.


And for those of you wondering...
No, I do not work for TGC in any way.
Yes, I do know it was the Eggs that were Golden and not the Goose, but you know what I mean.






Support Your Local CE-FPSC Chapter
Obbidiah
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 21st Nov 2005
Location: England
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 23:08
Yep !!!

No Husband was ever killed while doing the dishes !!!!!
Aoneweb
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2002
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 23:19
Quote: "What other engine can boast this with NO ROYALTY or LICENSE FEES???
NONE!"


You should do some researching before you make idiotic statements like this.

http://www.quikly.com/


Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 23:37 Edited at: 8th Feb 2006 23:45
Quote: "You should do some researching before you make idiotic statements like this."

So should you.
You should look at his license before you call that statement idiotic.

Look at that website you listed if you want to talk about idiotic.
Look at the links...Category One, Category Two?
WTF?

And the tabs at the top...Head1, Head2?
Give me a break.

Good luck even finding their license with links like that.
Where is the License?

Here's a quote from the creator of it.
Quote: "Purchase Details
This software is not finished yet. "


Whos statement is idiotic now?

But, you did prove my point about what happens when someone writes an opinion.
...Conclusion: Anyone who writes down their opinion will be deemed to be an idiot by others.

Thank you for voicing your opinion friend.

Dagnabit, I said I was done here.....Laters






Support Your Local CE-FPSC Chapter
Benjamin A
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 31st Oct 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 23:49 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 00:00
I'm not knocking FPSC, since it's a great tool and good at what it does but Conjured Entertainment you really shouldn't make statements you can't back up at all. Shows that you've got little knowledge of the matter.

(1) FPSC offers a drag and drop editor for building your game. No programming neccessary!

There are others that can do this.....

(2) FPSC allows you to import your own media. So, the game design is only limited to your imagination.

Almost all others can do this also..... and even much easier then FPSC does it.

(3) It's affordable. VERY affordable. By far its the better value than the other engines.

How many other engines did you try/buy? there are other very affordable engines that aren't inferior to FPSC and fall in the same price range.

(4) The Licence Agreement, which does not include any Royalty or Licensing Fees on your releases, is superior to other development software. The others all have additional fees.

My goodness, you really don't know what you're talking about do you? There are a good number of engines that do allow you to create license fee free and royalty free games with no strings attached. Just check clickteam's & conitec's licence and those aren't the only ones. Don't forget DBPro..... no license fee and royalty free also!

(5) TGC not only offered an Early version for those who couldn't wait for V1, but then they gave you the source to V1 to make your own changes if you didn't want to wait for V2.

There are others who do follow this path and also others who give you the source code.... FYI, a number of 3D engines are source code only, so you can change it as you want. The problem with FPSC is that hardly anyone dares to change the source code. We've still got to see a modified source code release....

(6) FPSC is the easiest way to make a PC Game. Period! I challenge anyone to show me otherwise.

TGF, Multimedia Fusion, 3D Gamemaker, need more? They're just as easy to use as FPSC, be it different. Also 3D GameStudio A6 is very easy to use as long as you stick to an FPS. You can easily create worlds (indoors and outdoors) and you do not have to code a single line.

Having said all of this FPSC is outstanding and will only get better, but isn't unique and for sure isn't the only one, there a a number of others and some that will be released in the very near future that will rival FPSC.

Will I switch to any other then FPSC? I DON'T think so, it's perfect for my projects and will only get better in time to come.

MegaMusic Pack 01.... 31 original soundtracks for your games!
http://www.aeilkema.dds.nl/mega/index.html
Aoneweb
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2002
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posted: 8th Feb 2006 23:51 Edited at: 8th Feb 2006 23:56
Quote: "Look at that website you listed if you want to talk about idiotic.
Look at the links...Category One, Category Two?
WTF?

And the tabs at the top...Head1, Head2?
Give me a break."

Once again, Gob but no research, on his forum he says the web site is being updated, I have the EA version of this software, and The license is royalty free, it will even generate DBpro code, to edit yourself if you wish.
Do you read TGC newsletter? http://www.thegamecreators.com/data/newsletter/newsletter_issue_36.html
How many more times are you going to put your foot in your mouth, in this put down of peoples opinions, we all have them, even you.
Give you a break, you don’t deserve a break if you don’t get the facts right, Do ya?
If you click below, and read the opening thread, you may see the words, drag and drop. http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=66053&b=8


Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:05 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 00:32
"(1) FPSC offers a drag and drop editor for building your game. No programming neccessary!"

Quote: "There are others that can do this....."

I said what FPSC does,not what they can't do.
It is easy to add in alternate meanings to that statement if you want to imagine them though.

I'm glad you actually listed titles to back up your claims.
Yes, I am already familiar with most of them.
No, I do not think that their Licenses are as good as FPSC's.

I was simply listing the reasons why I think FPSC is better.
Yes, 3D Gamemaker is a one button game producing program, but that's TGC too.
I wasn't clear enough in my challenge.


Quote: "Do you read TGC newsletter? "

Yes, I read the newsletter.
Yes, I was aware of this site because I looked at it then.
That still doesn't change the fact of the unlabeled links.


Quote: "How many more times are you going to put your foot in your mouth, in this put down of peoples opinions, we all have them, even you."

And you began your conversation with me by calling mine idiotic.

Remember this?
Quote: "You should do some researching before you make idiotic statements like this."



Whatever, whenever. It ain't nothin but a thing.
I don't need you to give me a break.
I'll just take it.


Post Script
Quikly does look promising to the DBPro community because it outputs the stuff in DBPro code.
Very promising, and I'm not trying to rag on it in any way.
I do wish he had his links right so I can see the License though.



Support Your Local CE-FPSC Chapter
transient
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 22nd Apr 2005
Location: Australia Zoo
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:21
Your not supposed to discuss other company's software on these forums. This has been clearly established, and personally I think these forums will improve if it's enforced.

In Conjured's defence, he's actually made a game with FPSC that he's selling, unlike anybody else involving themselves in this argument.

instinct is more valuable than intelligence.....
Aoneweb
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2002
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:24
ROFL, he even edited his post so he cant be called wrong, now thats standing by your guns.


Aoneweb
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2002
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:31
Quote: ""What other engine can boast this with NO ROYALTY or LICENSE FEES???
NONE!""

When someone makes a statment like this, are you saying we should not challange that statemrnt?
My only point in all this, is to say, that statement was wrong, and making games and selling them has absolutly nothing to do with this statement.


Benjamin A
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 31st Oct 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:32 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 00:38
Quote: "No, I do not think that their Licenses are as good as FPSC's.
"


How can you state that? Their licenses are the same as the one we've got with FPSC and some even better, they do allow you to even modify the source engine under certain circumstances. We could get into legal terms and such and compare but the end will be that the licenses are just as good or better.... but to go into that area you may need to catch up with my record of defending parties in legal & court cases (FYI.... I have yet to loose a case).

Quote: "I was simply listing the reasons why I think FPSC is better."


I do understand that, but you will need valid reason to do so. Besides your claim states otherwise:
Quote: "The real truth is that FPSC is THE BEST product available for anyone to develop PC Games."


You're do not just think something, you're making a statement, something which you're trying to prove... But you need to have valid reasons to prove this statement, most of yours aren't valid at all.

I'm just trying to point out to you that if you make claims of any sort, make sure you can back them up. Don't just start shooting things like:
Quote: "TGC gave you the source code for FPSC. Do your other engines do that???"
. You need to know the matter you're dealing with and your knowledge seems to be somewhat on the uneducated side.

Quote: "In Conjured's defence, he's actually made a game with FPSC that he's selling, unlike anybody else involving themselves in this argument."

Hmmm.... I've created a project for Dutch Charity (shown some screens of it before), (a first of more to come), it's ready to go, I'm just waiting for a modification of the source code, so it can be released. It's been tested, ready to go, under contract, but just am waiting for this modification.

Anyway does creating a game give one the rights to make claims that cannot be backed up fully? If so, I can start claiming some really absurd stuff now, I've created a good number of games (commercial, prize winning and just for fun stuff, how many CD's do you want ) What a strange way to defend someone...... were not questioning the person, but the claims.

Well, going to bed now, it's getting late. CU tomorrow.

MegaMusic Pack 01.... 31 original soundtracks for your games!
http://www.aeilkema.dds.nl/mega/index.html
Aoneweb
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2002
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:42
Benjamin A: some good points, but we must remember, Conjured has made a game and has sold it, this means whatever he says, he's right.
Well I just made a level in FPSC, and compiled it, and sold it to my wife for 10cents, now we are equal.
what a statement.


Conjured Entertainment
AGK Developer
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 12th Sep 2005
Location: Nirvana
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:43 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 01:54
Quote: "TGC gave you the source code for FPSC. Do your other engines do that???"
. You need to know the matter you're dealing with and your knowledge seems to be somewhat on the uneducated side."


Do you think everyone who asks a question is "uneducated"?


Quote: "
were not questioning the person, but the claims.
"







Quote: "ROFL, he even edited his post so he cant be called wrong, now thats standing by your guns. "

That's what the edit button is for... to edit your post.
I use it to correct spelling errors, and/or add to what I said.
Maybe if you use it, you wouldn't have to double post.




Quote: "Your not supposed to discuss other company's software on these forums. "

I agree, and can't believe they sucked me into it.
I only wanted to say how great I think FPSC is.



Support Your Local CE-FPSC Chapter
Aoneweb
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2002
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:51
Nuff said, FPSC is being worked on as we speak, no one said it would not have a future, as long as improvements were made, and lets face it, the proposed update and Riker 9 are very encouraging.
I have like most started a project, and put it on hold, waiting for the update, in the meantime, we should all just get on.
Yes I did write this.


Benjamin A
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 31st Oct 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:52
Quote: "Do you think everyone who asks a question is "uneducated"?"


You're not really asking a question at all, you were clearly making a statement. If you would have asked that as a question you would have worded it differently.

You can add meaning to your words afterwards or even edit posts, to suit yourself..... still my advice really is, get some good knowledge of the matter. It's really fun to dig into different engines, it helps to put things into perspective and prevents you from getting into such debates.

Oops.... I did it again.... I was on my way to bed

MegaMusic Pack 01.... 31 original soundtracks for your games!
http://www.aeilkema.dds.nl/mega/index.html
Benjamin A
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 31st Oct 2005
Location: The Netherlands
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:53
Aoneweb... wise words, we'll leave it at that!

Sleep well

MegaMusic Pack 01.... 31 original soundtracks for your games!
http://www.aeilkema.dds.nl/mega/index.html
Aoneweb
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2002
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posted: 9th Feb 2006 00:53
Goodnight


Login to post a reply

Server time is: 2024-11-24 09:33:36
Your offset time is: 2024-11-24 09:33:36