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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 18th Feb 2006 12:01
Hey people time to put your entries forward, if not all from WIP thread get into this thread by tomorrow I'll put them in myself.

Important note, post ONLY your finished work, please, no work in progresses


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Posted: 18th Feb 2006 12:50
And i was just gonna make one

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Posted: 18th Feb 2006 18:39 Edited at: 18th Feb 2006 18:41
So far made this.
tris:292
polys:166

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 01:06 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 01:28
Here's my fighter...
I scaled it at 200 when I tested it in the DBPro LType Demo. (I changed the laser to a red one though)

I guess the texture doesn't need to be detailed since it will be flying by you too fast to see detail.
(Unless you plan on having it sitting around in a hangar, or something.)
I have not yet figured out how to read the poly count in GameSpaceLight, and all my other 3d stuff expired.
I tried to find a command in DBPro that would tell me the poly count of an object, but no luck.
All four files are included to import it in FPSC           
Here's a fuzzy JPG of a scene from FPSC...





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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 01:27 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 01:50
Use this



Just replace the directory name and the object name

Hope the image tags work they usually never work for me

Edit: they didn't work again maybe one of you have a better chance of putting it up

[img]http://photobucket.com/albums/b336/Slayer1993/3D%20models/?action=view¤t=Spaceship2.jpg[/img]

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 01:30 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 01:57
@ Slayer93

Weird, I guess its that Action thingy in the path that is messing it up.


Doesn't statistic return the polys for the whole scene?


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Kewl Slayer93, thanks.
Its 384 polys.
I saw that number in the .x file, so I know its right.
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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 01:34 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 01:37


there u go, I ended up just not uvmapping the ship, and then putting it on a background in photoshop. As I said its low poly and crap, but i made it to remind me of hell bender.

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statistic does get the polies for the whole scene but if your ship is the whole scene then it returns the polies for just the ship

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 12:02
Well it ends today, as people have differant time zones I'll begin the voting a little later to allow for last minute entries


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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 12:07 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 12:09
i forgot all about this

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ok heres my entry, i call it the eagle mk2, if anyones played freelancer this is rather similar to the eagle which is the collest ship on there imo.


from the back~

and polycount~


main ship uses 2x2048 diffuse textures which is within may modern day game texture size recomendations, aswell as 2x normal maps(not sure if they added much) rest of the render is easily achieved for ingame purposes, the engines are spheres with diffuse texture and opactity map with self illumination map, earth is a 100segment sphere with 3texture layers, stars is just a sky sphere with a 2500*1250 texture map, 2 lights in scene a skylight and area shadow omni light which could be replicated ingame.

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hax

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Nice works all of ye, glad you all kept te ye poly count.

Well I'll start the voting stage at 1:00 pm UK time, so its 1hr and a half, I know theres at least one more last entry to come in.


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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 13:05 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 13:08
And that is me! i might update it

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Consider this one:
Quote: "Important note, post ONLY your finished work, please, no work in progresses"

And this one:

Quote: "Feel free to use normal maps and such and do fancy tricks with the textures, but don't use an internal fire effect for an engine, make a texture for it like it is done for real games.""


This thread is only for entries, please do not show your GUI, and finally, you can't use tricks like with the shaders, its not a rendering contest, its supposed to be how it would be put into a game, those shaders won't load in dbp will they?

If these are not corrected by the correct time, I will have to reject the entry.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 13:30 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 13:32
Here final entry


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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 13:36 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 19:03
good, well, half an hour left, may as well lunch and then gather any entries from the wip thread and allow the voting to begin

[edit]
Here are the last entries
Swift striker 498 poly (938 tris) [edit] DC pointed out that it is transparency and not shaders

Slooper (Didn't catch the poly count)

Image All (if you can see it) 240 polies (download http://forum.thegamecreators.com/xt/xt_apollo_download.php?i=780208)

GMan - 528 polies

Heckno - 360 polies


Not sure if BenD wants me to submit this. (Was a wip, no texture, no known poly count)



Happy voting





[EDIT2]
My Vote goes to....drum roll please....Dark Coder
good work dude;


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My vote goes to Dark Coder - I love Freelancer too

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@Seppuku Arts
Quote: "My Vote goes to....drum roll please....Dark Coder"

FOUL!
How can you vote for him when he didn't follow the rules?
I thought the rules said that you have to submit the model?
Quote: "You must provide a download for the model in some kind of universal format so that the poly count can be confirmed. "


Where is the Model Dark Coder?

Your Poly Count Picture doesn't have the Poly Count Radio button checked.
If the Triangles are the same thing, then why do they need seperate buttons?

Its not that I don't like your model, because I do.

I just think that if everyone is going to vote for someone who isn't even following the rules, then the contest is bogus.

Since its past the deadline for him to submit his model then...
My vote goes to......Wigget


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I'm not trying to sound harsh here, but this is upsetting for a first timer.
Nomally I wouldn't have thought much of it, but I can't help but to remember what was said in the other thread.
Dark Coder...
Quote: "well i dont have time to make my ship , but im sure you can picture some awsome very highpoly bc-304"

Seppuku Arts...
Quote: "Thats a real shame dude, I like your ships."

Again I'm not trying to sound harsh but from what I've seen...
The rules are being bent for personal favorites.
If this is how you run the contests, then no wonder you only had two entries last time.

Too bad, because I thought this was a cool idea and had enjoyed it up to this point.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 17:37 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 17:41
@sepp swifts one doesnt use reflection thats just the glass is transparent and you can see the engines .

[edit] just saw your post, i show the viewport as i have selected the main ship mesh and not the exaust flames, and i have brought up the polygon counter and it clearly shows the triangle count for my selected parts, if you really wanted me to select polygons then it would be around 200 as the ship is comprised of alot of quads,

i didnt post the model for practical reasons as posting 4*2048maps would be hard to upload, and i even showed the wireframe of the ship, so whats there to not believe?

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Quote: "I thought the rules said that you have to submit the model?"


The idea of submitting the model was proof, a scene poly count screenshot works well enough, I should have said something, my apologies, elaborating what I am saying to what I am thinking when I type is not a skill I am known for.




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Your Poly Count Picture doesn't have the Poly Count Radio button checked.
If the Triangles are the same thing, then why do they need seperate buttons?"

They are pretty much the same thing, but not all scenes have tris, as tris can be a pain to work with, my assumption is that the checkbox is for calculation the tris you would get in the scene whilst working with poly's, thats what it appears to be to me, DC or another 3DS Max user may want to confirm that one.

Quote: "Nomally I wouldn't have thought much of it, but I can't help but to remember what was said in the other thread.
Dark Coder...
Quote: "well i dont have time to make my ship , but im sure you can picture some awsome very highpoly bc-304"

Seppuku Arts...
Quote: "Thats a real shame dude, I like your ships.""

People change their minds when it comes to knowing how much time they got.

I do love his ships, but I love all the other entries, they all have a great amount of effort and results to show, I am not one to play favourites, because if I played favourites then in the last compo I wouldda voted DC for his tank, as i love his vehicle models in general.

The reason why I voted for DC,
In the short time he had he managed to conjure up a really nice looking model and texture, which I personally I think is enough to get my vote.

Also, I don't vote for based the best looking model, look at previous contests, and I've voted for those who I believed deserved it, and have tried to encourage others to vote for the right person.

Quote: "Too bad, because I thought this was a cool idea and had enjoyed it up to this point."


I'm sorry you feel that way, I always felt the idea was the fun in competing and not winning. But sometimes the 'more experienced' looking work gets more votes.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 17:43
Quote: "@sepp swifts one doesnt use reflection thats just the glass is transparent and you can see the engines"


Well I was told by DBMad that is had relfections, and well because I had to tell him to remove his, well I told him I would add a note for him. Upon close inspection, you're right, it is transparency.

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ok heres the mesh if you think i was being decietful -->

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 17:55 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 18:04
Quote: "The idea of submitting the model was proof, a scene poly count screenshot works well enough, I should have said something, my apologies, elaborating what I am saying to what I am thinking when I type is not a skill I am known for."


I thought that was up to Oogga Booga as being the last winner?

So, does he get to make the rules since he won last time, or is it up to you?

Quote: "Well done on winning Ooga Booga

Now to move on
The next theme is 'Low poly spaceship'
And well I'll quote ooga

Quote: "Entries will be judged on poly count versus quality. You must provide a download for the model in some kind of universal format so that the poly count can be confirmed. (.3ds, .x, .obj, and so on) For the picture of it, don't make a complex scene, just render it on a plane or something simple as this contest isn't focused on the final render. Feel free to use normal maps and such and do fancy tricks with the textures, but don't use an internal fire effect for an engine, make a texture for it like it is done for real games."

Length 10 days

ENDS - 19th February
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I thought he was clear in what his intentions for the rules of this contest were to be.


Quote: "I'm sorry you feel that way, I always felt the idea was the fun in competing and not winning. But sometimes the 'more experienced' looking work gets more votes."

It is fun if it is fair, but when rules are broken by the officials it takes the fun out of it.
I fail to see the fun in a biased contest.
Let's face, he won before he ever entered, and this display makes that evident.

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my vote is for Dark Coder there.
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Quote: "You must provide a download for the model in some kind of universal format so that the poly count can be confirmed"


that states the only reason you must post a mesh is to verify the models polycount, but i posted a screenshot of the wireframe and a tri count which is basically the same thing.

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Quote: "

Quote: "You must provide a download for the model in some kind of universal format so that the poly count can be confirmed"

that states the only reason you must post a mesh is to verify the models polycount, but i posted a screenshot of the wireframe and a tri count which is basically the same thing."


What part of "must provide a download for the model" do you guys not understand?


The rules were clear.
You didn't follow them.
Your votes are ivalid.

OR

The contest is bogus.


You decide, its your Contest and Honor.

I don't care about winning.
I just don't like seeing someone stating rules and then saying their friends don't have to follow them.

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Quote: "I fail to see the fun in a biased contest.
Let's face, he won before he ever entered, and this display makes that evident."

Sorry, but one thing I really hate is a biased contest, it defies the reason I hold these. I have entered biased competitions, one of which was Karate, the guy made illegal shots many times, all over looked, on most of his opponents including myself, had his shots been legal, I could have had a chance to beat him, the only time he was picked up and disqualified was when our team (well the team they had one member less and asked me to help) went up against his team in the final, and their team had already one, there was me vs Mr Albone, and he is a 5th dan black belt with a great sense of humour.

So basically holding a biased compo would make me a hypocrit.
This is the first time anyone has questioned my judgement on these contests, I think you have taken a misinterpretation of whats shown there.
I know the rulings haven't been absolute on what Ooga has said, but as long as you can show what sending a 3D model would show, why would it be a problem?

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Quote: "So basically holding a biased compo would make me a hypocrit.
This is the first time anyone has questioned my judgement on these contests, I think you have taken a misinterpretation of whats shown there.
I know the rulings haven't been absolute on what Ooga has said, but as long as you can show what sending a 3D model would show, why would it be a problem?"


Because I followed the rules and made my model available for everyone to download.
HE DID NOT.

Posting a DOWNLOAD FOR YOUR MODEL was a rule. Plain and simple.

Yeah,
His model looks great, but he still won by cheating.
The rule was to provide a download, and the rest of us did.
To allow him to be immune to this rule is cheating, no matter how you want to justify it.

Quote: "I know the rulings haven't been absolute on what Ooga has said"

He was the one who was supposed to be making the rules.
Rules need to be clear as to avoid confusion.
His rules were perfectly clear, until you changed them for your friend.
If you weren't going to go by what Ooga said, then why did you even quote him?
And, if you were going to change the rules midway, then why wasn't everyone told sooner?

No, the fact is that the rules weren't changed until your friend's violation of them was questioned.

There is evidence here in black and white that this contest is not fair, so it isn't fun to me.

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well if someone else made an entry that everyone voted for and they posted the model im sure you wouldent complain about my entry right?

im just not sure how you can say i cheated, sure i may have not initally posted the mesh, but neither did some other entrants, in my view cheating would be something like, using someone elses work, lying about model stats etc etc, also this is a modelling contest and posting the model wasnt the main focus of the compo, but i think ooga should have the final say asi it is his compo.

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What I'm wondering is why you are complaining about DC's model. Do you think I am just allowing one model to slip out of favouritism?
DC's wasn't the only one not to post him model (Out of realisation he has now actually posted it)

Where is DBMad's model?
Where is swift hunter's model?
Where is Heckno's model?

Yet their entries are allowed, I am not going to let people's entries go because they didn't 100% abide to everything so we can have more entries and more people enjoying the contest. There was an addition to the rules later on, 'No renders' as an addition to 'no render tricks' I allowed that rule to only pass if the renders were necessary they could be used, as not all editors display textures desirably, like mine doesn't.

So in truth the person sets the rules they want, I make them work to work utilitarian like.

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Quote: "well if someone else made an entry that everyone voted for and they posted the model im sure you wouldent complain about my entry right?"

Dude, if you had followed the rules and submitted your model, then I wouldn't be complaining.
This has nothing to do anyone's model in particular.
This is about the rules being followed.


Quote: "
Where is DBMad's model?
Where is swift hunter's model?
Where is Heckno's model?
"

If they didn't submit one, then their entry is invalid as well.



Quote: "Yet their entries are allowed, I am not going to let people's entries go because they didn't 100% abide to everything so we can have more entries and more people enjoying the contest. There was an addition to the rules later on, 'No renders' as an addition to 'no render tricks' I allowed that rule to only pass if the renders were necessary they could be used, as not all editors display textures desirably, like mine doesn't.

So in truth the person sets the rules they want, I make them work to work utilitarian like.
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As I stated above I am already aware that you change the rules to suit yourself.
I'm glad you admitted it.

Good luck with your future contests guys.


I wish I knew what Ooga really thinks about his rules being changed.
Even if he said it's ok, it doesn't change the fact that we were all misled.

If you don't follow the rules, then what's the point of having any?

Quote: ""You must provide a download for the model in some kind of universal format so that the poly count can be confirmed""

The real keyword there is MUST, not maybe, or basically, or if you feel like, or if you're not my friend, but MUST!
The word Must in a rule means no exceptions to most logical people.


Quote: "im just not sure how you can say i cheated"

I said that you won by cheating.
I did not say that you were the one who cheated.
Even if a judge cheats for you, you have still won by cheating.
Again, this is not personal.
This is about the rules being followed.



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well the entries has to be in on the 19th , and i posted my 3 entry pics on the
Quote: "Posted: 19th Feb 2006 05:17"


and my mesh was posted
Quote: "Posted: 19th Feb 2006 10:50"


so that makes your argument false and my entry is valid.

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Quote: "I am already aware that you change the rules to suit yourself."

Why would it suit me, I didn't enter.

I didn't admit that, I admitted I make the rules work utilitarian like, which means what would make the biggest number of people happiest,

I am a utilitarian in certain aspects, thats what the rules are for, to work for the best biggest number, I try to make the rules so almost everybody is happy and can enjoy the contests, with Ooga's rule of posting the model, I feel wouldn;t work out for the best, and so although it was not clear I admit, that people should post their models, but was not a manditory ruling because it would not work best, you cannot say 'you must post your work when its finished' because what if that person decides they want to use it commercially and find others using it, now that wouldn't be very fair at all, which is why the way I did it ment that it would work out best for most.

So really if you have anything to complain about, its not making Dark Coder's entry valid when you believe what he has entered is invalid, you should really be complaining that I didn't make my position and the final rulings clear and all the consequences, and for not doing that, I am sorry.

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Quote: "Posted: 19th Feb 2006 06:36 Edited: 19th Feb 2006 10:44

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good, well, half an hour left, may as well lunch and then gather any entries from the wip thread and allow the voting to begin

[edit]
Here are the last entries
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That was 1pm his time, which was 7AM our time.
Look at his other post dude.

Quote: "Well I'll start the voting stage at 1:00 pm UK time, so its 1hr and a half, I know theres at least one more last entry to come in."



Now you are trying to tell me that people can enter after the voting has started???

Wouldn't that make everyone have to change their votes?
This is starting to get preposterous.

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so if you dont think seppuku should be allowed to change any of the rules stated by the competition creator, then my entry is valid as its in on the 19th, and seppuku cannot change the entry date/time, unless of course hes allowed to do that, which would mean were also allowed to post screenshot varification aswell.

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Quote: "You must provide a download for the model in some kind of universal format so that the poly count can be confirmed"
The real keyword there is MUST, not maybe, or basically, or if you feel like, or if you're not my friend, but MUST!
The word Must in a rule means no exceptions to most logical people.


Change the rules.
Pick who you want.
It is your contest.


That doesn't change the fact that the rules were broken for your friend, which makes the contest a joke.

I think TGC should make a rule against these contests if they are not going to be carried out as they were advertised.


Quote: "you cannot say 'you must post your work when its finished' because what if that person decides they want to use it commercially and find others using it, "

If you don't want to submit the model then don't enter.
TGC does not allow you to post copyrighted material. (look at the forum's terms)
Therefor, all the Models you guys post here cannot have restrictions.
They are now public domain.
That's why it made me upset that everyone who did offer their model in the contest lost to someone who didn't.
Those were the rules.
Must means no exception.
Your contest was unfair, and bogus.
Let's face it, had I said nothing, then you would never have submitted a model DarkCoder.
He should have reminded you to do so before he voted for you.
Again, it is clear that you were going to be, and will be the winner regardless.

My advice to others is to not waste your time here.
Enter a real contest that actually has rules instead.

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Quote: "Now you are trying to tell me that people can enter after the voting has started???

Wouldn't that make everyone have to change their votes?
This is starting to get preposterous."


Actually I allow last minute entries to pass through on the last day, as people have differant timezones, but start voting usually mid day or afternoons of that day.
Contest ends until the end of the last day
Voting begins when instructed on the last day, I am not always able to determine when I can start the voting and gather up missing entries from the other thread, because usually on the day of voting I leave to do something else, not abanding the contest, just having to do other things in the day non computer related, which I was going to do today, but found I didn't need to.

Again the only problem is the fact I didn't make things clear and you are making mis interpretations of things

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Quote: "The real keyword there is MUST, not maybe, or basically, or if you feel like, or if you're not my friend, but MUST!"


And as the admin of the contests, seeing the problem with the rule, I had to change it to work, lets try and draw a picture.

Lets say theres a new law, um lets say "All teenagers must be at home before 9 o'clock" to reduce crime, however, parliament soon then see a problem with this law, and decides to make it work properly, like lets say teenagers are allowed out under supervision or the law becomes 'de criminalised' So they changed it to work best. Hyperthetically speaking of course

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 19:22 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 19:33
Quote: "Again the only problem is the fact I didn't make things clear and you are making mis interpretations of things"

Oogas rules were very clear.
Here we go again.
What part of "must provide a download for the model" is not clear?

The use of the word MUST in a rule means no exceptions.
I am not mis-interpreting anything.
It is you who are mis-representing.

If the rules are not real and don't matter, then neither does the contest.

So, if the rules aren't supposed to be taken exactly and we can change our votes til midnight, then...

I change my vote to Conjured Entertaiment

I'm not voting for myself because I have multiple personalities.
Here's some more personalities..

Fred... I vote for Conjured.
Barney...I vote for Conjured.
Stan... I vote for Conjured.
Earl...I vote for Conjured.
Vincent... I vote for Conjured.
Homer...I vote for Conjured.

Watch out guys, I'm now in the lead.

Again, ,this thing is a joke, not a contest.





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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 19:34
Quote: "Oogas rules were very clear.
Here we go again.
What part of "must provide a download for your model" is not clear?"


Look I change the rules given to work for the best outcome, right, making it manditory to post the model, isn't exactly best for the majority as some people won't want to give their models to the public, which is why I decided that it would not work and made it more of a guideline, like I said I didn't make it clear.

Right, you must understand, I am running these contests, I allow the winner to choose the theme and apply suggestable rules, I then decide what is appropriate and allow for it to pass, I decided that the 'Must post models' rule was not completely appropriate, and changed it.

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 19:39 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 20:11
Quote: "And as the admin of the contests, seeing the problem with the rule, I had to change it to work, lets try and draw a picture.

Lets say theres a new law, um lets say "All teenagers must be at home before 9 o'clock" to reduce crime, however, parliament soon then see a problem with this law, and decides to make it work properly, like lets say teenagers are allowed out under supervision or the law becomes 'de criminalised' So they changed it to work best. Hyperthetically speaking of course"


When did you change it?

Did you bother to tell us?

If that wasn't an acceptable rule and needed to be changed, then why did you post that instead of the new rule?

Whatever dude,
Your story doesn't jive.

Again, you never told us a change had been made until your decision was questioned.

Quote: "Right, you must understand, I am running these contests, I allow the winner to choose the theme and apply suggestable rules, I then decide what is appropriate and allow for it to pass, I decided that the 'Must post models' rule was not completely appropriate, and changed it."

Yeah and YOU posted the rule as he stated it, not as a new version.
Yeah and YOU didn't bother to tell us that you made a change.
You are running it, if that's what you want to call it.
So, good luck on having more than two entries next time.
Until YOU follow the rules that YOU set, and until YOU bother to tell us YOU changed the rules
after YOU posted them...then I doubt that this Contest will ever develope into what it should.


Again, I liked the idea.
However, the rules must be approved and stated clearly before the contests begins.
Once the contest begins, then there should be no changes or exceptions to the rules.
All this change the rules midway to suit yourself will definitely turn logical people away.
I know my models aren't that good, because I am a beginnner.
I never expected to win or even get a single vote.
This is not about winning or losing, it's about having fun.
I can't have any fun here if the contest is not fair.

Good Luck to the ones who can.

I have nothing against you Seppuku Arts.
I am simply crying "FOUL!", and stating why I won't enter these contests again.
You had mentioned that you were happy to see the number of entries increasing from a slump.
I thought if you know why I am not coming back, then you would have an idea as to the cause of your slumps.
If the others never said why, then it doesn't stop me from saying it.
I hope it helps, instead of me just walking away and saying nothing.
I wish your Contests the Success that the Idea deserves.




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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 20:22
Quote: "Did you bother to tell us?"

Why do I keep apologizing that I was unclear about the ruling of everything and stating thats all that the problem is, because thats all that was wrong.

Quote: "then why did you post that instead of the new rule?"

I copy and posted what he wrote, forgetting what all the content, again a mistake, it happens, people make mistakes, you were accusing me of going around bending the rules and being biased, and I kept on telling you that the mistake was I was completely unclear and apologised, yet you carried with the accusation and quoting Ooga Booga, I think you went to the complete wrong way about this.


Quote: "I can't have any fun here if the contest is not fair.

Good Luck to the ones who can."


The contest is fair, my mistake didn't make thing unfair, think about it, all I did was make the mistake of failing to mention the rule I turned from manditory to guidelines, what effect do you think that has on people winning, nil, it maybe unfair that people posted their model thinking they had to and others didn't, I am sorry for that as I have said.

Quote: "All this change the rules midway to suit yourself will definitely turn logical people away."

The change was to suit most other people, it can't suit me if I am not entering, it would actually would have suit me better not to change it, making it easier to say yes or no to entries, however I changed it because I felt the ruling was not too practical.

Quote: "I know my models aren't that good, because I am a beginnner.
I never expected to win or even get a single vote."

Beginners get voted, beginners have won, I think it was BenDstraw who has won one of the early contests, however neither I and BigAdd could find the thread when archiving them, but he did choose the theme for the 'Partiotic contest' thus showing he was the winner.

Quote: "it's about having fun."

Incidently, it appears you're the only person who has not had fun with my contests, and well I still fail to see in the voting whats unfair.

What I see is unfair now is that whilst you have been ranting, it has taken up onto the second page, and this argument will and prolly has put people off of voting.

Quote: "then I doubt that this Contest will ever develope into what it should."


The contest has reached as far as it could really, sure a sticky would be the last step, its already been in the newsletter, a lot of the 3D modellers know about it and join on occasions and have fun, heck, Big Add said he was going to ask (dunno if he has yet) David T (As he is on MSN and they know each other) if it would be acceptable to have sticky of the archive with links to new and ols contests.
So I think it has really developed as far as it can on these forums.

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Wow..im sorry my rules caused such a problem..

When i wrote the rules I forgot that you could just take a screen shot of the poly count, that should be fine I think as well. I doubt that any kind of poly count check is completely necessary but since we have had cheats before I thought it might be a good idea. Dark Coder posted the model after he realized his mistake..there shouldn't be a problem with that, even if he hadn't, he showed us the poly count in a screen shot which is fine as well.

And by the way conjured, these contests have been going on for quite a bit, long before you showed up, and this is the first one that has had so much trouble. This is partly because of my bad rule but its also because you made such a big deal out of it, as you said yourself, its for fun, so no need to get so upset about it.

I didn't know these contests were in the newsletter!
*goes and re reads*

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Quote: "I didn't know these contests were in the newsletter!
*goes and re reads*"

Yeah the futuristic vehicle one reached it, machs fault I think...its in one of them, it was only a from the forums section


Quote: "Wow..im sorry my rules caused such a problem.."

The only problem was myself failing to mention something, and CE there.

Quote: "ts for fun, so no need to get so upset about it."

That is an important point, the only thing that has sucked the fun out of it is CE getting worked up and upset about it, if its for fun, why would small mistakes be a significance?

Thanks for that Ooga, with your word, it justifies things a bit more our end

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Quote: "And by the way conjured, these contests have been going on for quite a bit, long before you showed up, and this is the first one that has had so much trouble. "


Quote: "That is an important point, the only thing that has sucked the fun out of it is CE getting worked up and upset about it, if its for fun, why would small mistakes be a significance?"

A question warrants an answer Seppuku, so you must want me to continue to reply.

The word MUST and the rules not being taken literally is only a "small mistake" to you.

Yes, this may be the first time anyone has questioned your Rules.
That only proves I was the first to say something about it, not that I was the only one who felt that way.




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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 22:13 Edited at: 19th Feb 2006 22:28
well sepp started these so he has the right to change the rules as he sees fit. and he properly apologized for his mistake. right at that point everyone should forget about it and move about business as usual.
so I beleive it is CE that is in the wrong. not that his opinion is wrong cause he is justified to think that. but to continue the arguement after an apologize isnt the way to go about things. theres my 2 cents now lets all get along.

[EDIT] how embarrassing I didnt submit in time so my wip is up o well that will be a lesson to me to not be so lazy

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Posted: 19th Feb 2006 23:38 Edited at: 20th Feb 2006 00:55
Quote: "
Quote: "That is an important point, the only thing that has sucked the fun out of it is CE getting worked up and upset about it, if its for fun, why would small mistakes be a significance?"
A question warrants an answer Seppuku, so you must want me to continue to reply."

Rhetorical question

Quote: "o well that will be a lesson to me to not be so lazy "

lol, we all have our lazy moments, theres always next time.


Quote: "right at that point everyone should forget about it and move about business as usual."

Good idea, this is unnecessary, So lets have those votes come in!


Anyway, apologies for the deviation, so, we haven't had anymore votes. I would have said wednesday for all votes, however I feel one more day will be more necessary, so thursday.

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Im gonna have to vote for dark coder as well, it really is amazing quality for only 500 polys.

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