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Zeal
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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 04:44 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 04:48
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Im having a real nightmare getting dbpro to work with u6. Are we going to get a chance to test things with darksdk?

If not how are we supposed to know if the bugs specific to us (shaders not working, ect...) are actually fixed or not?

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 07:57 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 07:58
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That's what the beta is for - report ALL problems.

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 08:35 Edited at: 24th Feb 2006 08:36
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Yeah but some problems are specific to pro or sdk. Like shaders not working (they work great in pro, not at all in sdk).

Yes we can report them, but shouldnt we be able to test them too? I have faith that lee will get sdk working just as well as pro, just seems like he would WANT people to test pro AND sdk (because they can clearly be different).

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 08:55
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Well, the DBPRO U6 is out now for testing. The DarkSDK one isn't out yet.

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 09:03
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"The DarkSDK one isn't out yet."

Yeah thats what I was asking, is one actually going to be released? Or are we just going to test the pro version, and assume that a fixed pro issue is a fixed sdk issue?

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I believe there will be one.

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Posted: 24th Feb 2006 14:01
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It seems like we're last in line.
DBpro is going to have 2 updates (5.9 & 6.0) , and Dark Game SDK, 1 (1.2?).
Or that has been the recent history.
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DarkSDK should be out when 6.0 has been finalised.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2006 12:53 Edited at: 6th Mar 2006 12:55
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We could be already helping if there was a 6 beta2 also for the SDK...
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Possibly...

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Posted: 10th Mar 2006 13:32
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I know they said it will follow, I just hope it does.

I think we were told at some stage its easy to keep the two product in-line (or words to that effect), so if its true we should get a beta in parallel - or at least a minor patch to sort clangers out like the 3d collision.

Anyway, sensible hat on, DGSDK has such potential, but I can see that TGC will always work on DBP as priority, as it makes more money for the market they generally aim at... I wonder if they bit off more than they can chew by doing the SDK at all. Glad they did, of course, just saying.

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From what I understand arent dbpro and darksdk exactly the same? I mean they use the same "files" (dlls, whatever) behind the scenes. Are they really THAT different?

My point is wouldnt a upgrade to dbpro be a simple matter of overwritting the same files in darksdk (aside from some other minor work)?

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When I bought DGSDK I thought it would have a nice support, since it is a DBPro brother (or so they sell it to us), and there was a 1.1.1 beta updated.

Now the time has passed and there has been no 1.1.1 release version

I think TGC hasn't sell too many units of DBGDK, and they don't realize that many people is waiting for the next update until they buy it. And they probably wont do that if they keep on watching this "careless" support.
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Well lets wait and see. If they 'ignore' dark sdk again for u6, yes, they have shot themselves in the foot. I think they know this, and thus wont make that mistake.

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I think Mike got too involved with other things, unfortunately...

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I think they were waiting for U6 before upgrading DarkSDK. Since they say it is heavily based on DBP, it would give them a great head start on having 2 very stable products.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2006 23:01 Edited at: 14th Mar 2006 23:02
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Quote: "If you build a nice building on a great foundation, it will hold up better than a great building built on dirt."



"When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up"

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Posted: 16th Mar 2006 17:13 Edited at: 16th Mar 2006 17:14
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think TGC hasn't sell too many units of DBGDK, and they don't realize that many people is waiting for the next update until they buy it. And they probably wont do that if they keep on watching this "careless" support
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I'm one of those guys waiting for GDK to stand on its foot before i buy it.

its not just the update, first I was waiting for the support of devc++. Then VC++ 2005 express is here and i thought its time to buy the GDK. I was so sure that there was nothing to worry about but i don't know what made me search the forums to see what people's reaction to VC++ 2005 and the GDK is ... i was amaized that you can't use the gdk with VC++ 2005 ... I was like

since the day the DGSDK was released I've been waiting (i don't have VC++ 2003) ... and I'm still waiting.

The sdk is the future and not dbpro (at least for me) ... so now i ask ... TGC, do you want those 180$ I've been saving for the sdk or not?

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Quote: "i was amaized that you can't use the gdk with VC++ 2005"

Why were you amazed ? Microsoft have changed quite a bit of the libraries - both to get ready for Vista, and to add extra safetly checks in programs.

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Posted: 17th Mar 2006 14:28
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Quote: "Why were you amazed ?"


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Quote: "A good merchant doesn't question the customer expectations, but rather tries to fulfill them."


well said M... i couldn't agree more...

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Try telling that to Microsoft.

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Quote: "Try telling that to Microsoft."

i have... and they listened... not only that, they gave me licenses to hundreds of dollars of software so i could keep on telling them what people like me expect from them...


besides, and to give you the benefit of the doubt... even if there is the least bit of validity to what you just said, TGC, as well as many other companies, are a long ways from being where MS is...

... when they arrive at that point, then they can start ignoring their customers... until that time, it might be smart of them to embrace the more positive attitude as Morcilla's post outlined.

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They are - with the U6 update.

After which the GDSK will be updated.

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well then, that being true, and i'd like to believe it is... you just invalidated the response you posted immediately above... and added validation to Morcilla's post...

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Not at all. I'm was just surprised the Morcilla didn't know about the library changes in VS 2005.

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then you might've said that directly instead of making the reply that you made... which, btw, by your own subsequent response, has been shown to be, not only clearly irrelevant to this topic, but flawed in it's premise as well...

Morcilla's statement has been shown to be correct... and Microsoft does listen to it's customers... and your reply above must've been a joke, because it so has nothing to do with any reality in this plane of existance...

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Posted: 17th Mar 2006 15:53 Edited at: 17th Mar 2006 15:55
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And you didn't realise ?

Quote: "then you might've said that directly instead of making the reply that you made"

And I did - I stated previously : Microsoft have changed quite a bit of the libraries - both to get ready for Vista, and to add extra safetly checks in programs.

I should have added that static libararies are now regarded as being very naughty, and thus are no longer supported. Hence the reason why the GDSDK cant be used with VS 2005. I had assumed he knew that.

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i laughed at it as soon as i saw it... it had to be a joke, either that, or it was written by someone who was totally clueless as to anything dealing with real world marketing and Microsoft in particular in that regard...

i just posted the reply to make sure that you realized...

Quote: "And I did - I stated previously : Microsoft have changed quite a bit of the libraries - both to get ready for Vista, and to add extra safetly checks in programs."

and what does that have to do with
Quote: "Try telling that to Microsoft. "

i hardly see the connection... there is non...

now, can we get back on topic...

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I was saying that I believe that Microsoft questions the users expectations. Which may not may not be true...

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what you were saying, or intended to say, or meant... and what you actually said, appear to be two different things...

again, can we get back to the original topic at hand...

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Didn't want to start a fight.

The point for me is that if there are customers who were hoping that the DGSDK was compatible with VS2005, that's the signal of that it should be already compatible.

No doubt about that it will mean an effort to adapt it, but the original theDK's surprise was that that job wasn't already done, not that the old libraries weren't working with a new compiler.
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As I said before Mike has been busy on other things, unfortunately, so the GDSK wasn't out when it could have been... So they'll probably waiting for U6 to be finished before upgrading it.

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I wouldn't start a war until someone who represents TGC posts on the details. Stinky Stoat is just a user (in this regard) posting his point of view and that does no neccessarily represent the view of TGC. His funtion is to moderate the forums instead of represent TGC and he is entitled to an opinion of his own. As are we all There is no telling what TGC will do until one of them posts abut it.

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I do totally agree with that, and I appreciate very much Stoat's labour. There was no intention of judging him.

Talking about the beta, I think that the relief for us could be that the DBPro users are doing the hard work right now. I'm just trying to think positively.
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actually... i'm one of those people sitting on the fence, waiting to see what the next version will be like... and the point you made above was well made in support of the thread's topic, and in looking for some sort of subtantial response as opposed to what you got...

the topic question is one that i wonder about to... but in all fairness to the dev team here, having to support multiple beta releases simoultaneously with the limited resources would really be asking a lot, and would probably be detrimental to the quality of both releases...

... so i guess it's worth the wait and a lil patience.

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Maybe we should wait till DBP U6 is totally fixed, the take consideration to this, IMHO current DBP is bug-prone/troublesome-to-user, this will be a long way... ya, till Max3D out....
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Well darksdk is officially in the patch notes, so I guess that means we should be getting our u6 the same time the dbpro version is released.

But are there still no plans to release a quick beta? I guess thats good if the two are THAT similar that a beta isnt needed...

We will find out soon enough!

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Quote: "We will find out soon enough!
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Let's hope we do find soon enough...

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I'm waiting until DGSDK is upgraded before i buy it, if it's just going to stagnate then i sure don't want to waste my few dollars on it...compatability with 2005 (not express) would be nice to (i can get it or 2003 for free through college)... and compatability with DevC++ would make me buy it in a nanosecond...

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Quote: "I'm waiting until DGSDK is upgraded before i buy it"


Fear not, Lee has said bringing dark sdk up to 'U6' is next on his list just as soon as the pro version is released.

So to answer my own question, yes Zeal, it looks like we will get a u6 beta.

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Hopefully it'll be testable before releaseable...

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Why would Lee WANT to make more work for himself? We are his little worker monkeys that do his every bidding. Im sure he will make use of us...

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Managed to catch Mike on the way out of the irc chat: he confirmed that the U6 GDK should be released "one or two weeks after" the final DBPro U6 release.

So, here's hoping....

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"released"? what about the beta?

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It was all very quick... he didn't mention the existance of a beta one way or the other.

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Incidently, Lee said that they already had the GDK running on VS 2005 and were testing it.

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didn't he say if its gona run on the express version?
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There should be a really good chance that they can get the SDK VC++2005 Express compatible. I think Mike mentioned it.


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