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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Copyright Question!

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Essal
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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 14:41
Do you think/know if There is a copiright on leonardi Da vinci's paintings an stuff like that, (if i find 1 of his paintings Online, and i Use it in a game, do I then have to pay someone?)

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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 15:15
Hi,

From what I've read the general rule is 50 years (US) / 70 years (UK) after the author's/artist's death the product becomes public domain.

Since Da Vinci died nearly 500 years ago I don't see an issue with using his works (so long as it's not a modern interpretation - in which case the copyright may then belong the the 'new' author/artist).

Hope this helps and if you find out anything else I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Cheers, OG.
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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 15:22 Edited at: 26th Feb 2006 15:25
From what I have read (I just got done looking this up for you) Items like paintings, phraises and some music that is derived from history (Beethoven, da vinci, Churchill (phrases like the one in my post) can not be copywrited by themselves but if presented in a compilation it can hold a copywrite for the compilation and not the single item <---make any seanse? I think alot of this has to do with the age of the material in question and the fact that it belongs to the people and no single one person. also it is a major part of socialogy <----the study of social and cultural behavior

Here is a link that you shoudl use as a resource
http://www.legalmountain.com

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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 15:27
@Opus Games- What resource did you use to find this? As I think that it will be a great reference for any Copywrite questions.

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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 15:41 Edited at: 26th Feb 2006 16:31
Quote: "can not be copywrited by themselves but if presented in a compilation it can hold a copywrite for the compilation and not the single item <---make any seanse."


There was a case in my Local Newspaper recently which I think follows on from what you were saying:

- A small music label hired a composer to put together some classical music. However the job entailed a lot of work and also an element of reinvention. The composer takes the music label to court and proves that his work (although based on previously out of copyright material) is distinct enough to warrant new copyright to him. This almost put the small music label out of business.

Basically old material is generally in the public domain but then if someone takes it and creates something arguably new (even a compilation) there are grounds for new copyright consideration.

@ Reality Forgotton - I did a lot of research in this area a while back. I'll see if I can find some links and post them here.

Cheers, OG.

An Overview of UK Copyright Law from BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/hub/A527267
A more in-depth look at UK Copyright Law - http://www.is4profit.com/busadvice/copyright/basic_copyright_facts/index.htm
How Long Does Copyright Last? (UK) - http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/faq/copyright/how_long.htm
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Posted: 26th Feb 2006 16:24 Edited at: 26th Feb 2006 16:33
Okay, Thanks GUYS!!!!
P.s I am going to make some Paintings that are going to be FPSC ready, within the next couple days, so E-mail me If you want some, as a little thanks
Lassebuhrmann@jubii.dk

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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 17:30
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It appears that someone actually have the copyright for Da vincis paintings,
I have disgussed it with my teacher, and he says that the people who own his paintings/drawings have gotten a copyright, som they wont be in the pack....but if you still want them (only for NON COMMERCIAL USE) then E-mail me : Lassebuhrmann@jubii.dk

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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 20:11
Can you get any proof of this? I think we all need to see it since paintings of that age can not be copywrited proprty

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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 23:21 Edited at: 28th Feb 2006 23:25
I agree with Reality Forgotten on this one.
However I am not qualified to give legal advice, so this is nothing more than a friendly suggestion.
You should seek the advice of an Attorney if any copyright is questionable.


Quote: "and he says that the people who own his paintings/drawings have gotten a copyright"

That sounds preposterous to me.
So if I buy a book about Little Red Riding Hood that was abandoned by the publishers years ago, then I now have the right to claim it as my own?
I think not.
Once something is deemed "public domain" then no one can lay claims to it.
If so, you would have 200 million people trying to claim it at the same time.


Unless the creator of the work (Leonardo in this case) sold or transferred his copyrights (which didn't exist back then) how can the new owner claim to have any rights other than ownership?

The whole issue of copyrights is bunch of bs to create legal expenses and fees.
Who can prove that he was the Author of said works.
He may have been drunk out of his mind and his apprentice did everything while he was passed out.
How do you know?

Anything that old is public domain in my opinion, and as Reality Forgotten has pointed out... his works have enough historical and sociological significance to warrant the status of public domain.


The whole question of ownership of art that old can easily be questioned.
History will show that it has repeatedly changed hands by the acts of war and theft.
How can they claim ownership if they bought it from a thief?
How can you prove its legitimacy when it spans that many years throughout history?

This is the subject of a debate that has lasted many years, with many countries making many rulings.
How then can something that has relocated itself (through its owners) through so many jurisdictions ever hope to claim that is has been bought and sold according to the law throughout its history?

Only the Museums try to claim Copyrights on things that belong to the World.
They need to overcharge for their prints, so their administrators can afford their new Lexus.



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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 23:27
well said conjured.

PLease do consult an attorney and make sure the are versed in international law before proceeding.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2006 23:31 Edited at: 28th Feb 2006 23:37
Yeah ,
and if they tell me that posession is 9 tenths of the law....

They will be "scream"ing IF I snatch it off of their wall and haul...





I plan on using lots of Public Domain material in all of my games.
Just like I did in my first one. I'm not worried about lawsuits.
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Posted: 3rd Mar 2006 09:41 Edited at: 3rd Mar 2006 09:42
KK i will figure it out---Thanks
P.s Damn! you know how to write conjured!

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Posted: 3rd Mar 2006 10:49 Edited at: 3rd Mar 2006 11:10
Here's a site I found that has a lot of Leonardo's work.

Art Renewal




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