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DarkBASIC Professional Discussion / Patch 4 Release Candidate

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Richard Davey
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Posted: 20th Mar 2003 13:29
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Hi all,

Patch 4 Release Candidate went live onto DBDN just now. This version is the one that will be released onto the public web sites providing no-one finds anything PC destroying between now and Saturday.

(Yes, that means Saturday is the official release date for it).

Over 90 bug fixes/changes and a completely new 3D engine - not too bad for just under 4 months work.

Various download mirrors will be set-up to cope with the demand.

Cheers,

Rich
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Incandescant
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I beleive the general consensus will be

"HOO-RAY! Mr baggins!"

Good work DBS, can't wait to get my mitts on it

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Indeed - looking forward to it...

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SHOW ME THE MONEY! Showwwwwwww meeeeeeeee the moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!
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Can't wait. finally. Then it is just waiting for patch 5 lol.
hope p4 does everything i want and more... guess ill download it three times just for fun. i just can't waaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttt.
saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday,saturday, saturday!
Sorry if I got a little exited

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Posted: 20th Mar 2003 15:19
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Excellent

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I've just had an accident in my pants.
Nurse! Fetch me some towels!

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Dr OcCuLt
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we can see if the 2fps to 150fps is true?

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Saturday?

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Rob K
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Posted: 20th Mar 2003 18:10
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"we can see if the 2fps to 150fps is true?"

The increase won't be THAT big - that is the biggest increase you just MIGHT see - in reality the improvements will generally be far less than that.

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Posted: 20th Mar 2003 18:47
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OMG, this is like winning the lottery to me!

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO! [b]) [b]) [b]) [b]) [b])

Patch 5 will be the icing on the cake.

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Waitin' all friggin week for you.

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This patch is testing very nicly on my system atm x-d


"we can see if the 2fps to 150fps is true?"

You will see a performance increase with a lot of things but not to that magnitude :-s

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is.

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Posted: 20th Mar 2003 19:46 Edited at: 20th Mar 2003 19:51
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Now lets see...I have my rabbits foot, horseshoe, four leaf clover and my fingers crossed hoping that Saturday is our lucky day.

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Lets see the evil i shall cause with Patch 4

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Good to hear it.

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MrTAToad
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Have the details of the fixes/updates changed much from Rich's original post ?

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"we can see if the 2fps to 150fps is true?"

i did not say that the performance wood go up buy 98% but i seen ppl post numbers like that befor.

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I will try and avoid the boards for a few days whilst everybody learns what 'code migration' meens...

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New 3D engine?!!?

I want details!

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Rob K
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Posted: 21st Mar 2003 01:01
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"New 3D engine?!!?"

It means "new 3D pipeline"

Ie. DBP is currently very slow when lots of objects are on screen, Patch 4 features a rewritten 3D engine which makes the game MUCH faster when there are lots of objects on screen (ie. 30FPS instead of 2FPS for 3000+ objects) The dungeon tutorial runs at 120FPS Patch 4 beta, 3FPS Patch 3.1.

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Quote: "The dungeon tutorial runs at 120FPS Patch 4 beta, 3FPS Patch 3.1.
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I tested this today. I got a speed increase on the Dungeon Tutorial of approx 50% (which is a fantastic gain).

I suppose it depends on your graphics card but I don't expect many will get a speed boost of 4000% !!!!

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is.

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Lucky me

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I think I speak for everyone: BB3D Sux now!

This patch will prove how powerful DBPro really is!

Thank you DB Team!

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1 Question:

will the demo be version 4 too?

so everyone can enjoy patch 4, or will it come later?

Cheers.

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"BB3D Sux"

Err... no.

BB3D is still more flexible and more stable than DBPro - Mark's software is still stiff competition for DBPro.

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Stable, yes. Flexible I'd question strongly. There is nothing to suggest BB3D is any more flexible than DBPro. From P4 onwards the stability issue will massively decrease as well.

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Man, i love the DB team..heh

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Woohoo !!!

DBPro all the way!

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ALL MY STUFF ARE GONE!! ALL OF IT!!!
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"There is nothing to suggest BB3D is any more flexible than DBPro. "

For example, in BB3D you can set the absolute alpha level, in DBPro you have 50% transparent or nothing, but I believe that Lee is addressing this anyway.

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Quote: "From P4 onwards the stability issue will massively decrease as well"


I think that needs re-wording...

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I hope the stability issues will decrease

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Quote: "I think that needs re-wording..."


You hope the stability issue will increase?

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"I think that needs re-wording..."

Or re-reading

Cheers,

Rich

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It makes it sound like P4 onwards will decrease stability...
Stability should increase over time as the product gets more stable.

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"the stability issue will decrease"

That, to my mind, doesn't make it sound like P4 will make it more unstable. It makes it sound like there is a recognised issue with stability which will be addressed with P4 and will be decreased, making it less of an issue.

Cheers,

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Fair enough.

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Blitz and Pro are getting on equal ground on Stability, but remember unlike Blitz, Professional is STILL running the debug DLLs.

that aside Professional vs Blitz on Flexability is just a joke and shouldn't have been brought up...

you know that 32bit Image Memblocks have 4bytes of data per pixel
RED GREEN BLUE ALPHA

if you want to alpha an image with a colour then you just set it in the material (and pro has had this ablitity since day one)
with DBO from what i've been told we now have the full range of Alpha on the models themselves.

i mean generally i've found Professional quite stable on its own, sometimes i believe many people have many different definitions to what stability means ... the bugs which i've heard attributed to it over the past few months have had nothing to do with the stability and actually been just bugs within the function code.

the only functions that could really attribute to making pro unstable are the Quake Based format functions (MD2,MD3,MDL,BSP)

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"Blitz and Pro are getting on equal ground on Stability, but remember unlike Blitz, Professional is STILL running the debug DLLs."

Raven, do you mean debug in the sense of MFC Debug - like some SourceForge programs which occassionally pop-up a standard debug error box, or is this to do with the code in DBP itself?

If it is the former, then what differences are there between normal and debug DLLs and is it a simple compiler switch?

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