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Oddmind
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Ive been working on a game for about a year now, it is a survival horror game based on a storyline that I wrote, and my friend helped me compile it with big descriptive words . The main character is a 9-10 year old boy, and he will be wielding a 357 magnum, along with many other un childish weapons. I cant wait. Anywho, this is my progress on his character model.

EDIT: Ive completed the texture...




The legs are a bit long, for stylization. Its not going to be a really realistis looking game with the people and such, more manga style if anything. But its going to mix with a film noir sepia toned environment to make a very unique feel i hope.

Comments Constructive critiscism and suggestions accepted

EDIT: He is wearing a school boy uniform, so the pants are a little short , he will have long socks and a v neck sweater vest on with a long sleeve white dress shirt underneath. His hair is in the works.

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Ah yes I remember you saying something about it before, nice model, you captured that anime look well. As for crit, to me at the moment looks how he is supposed to


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Heres an update. I duped him after fixing some minor nagging things that you guys probably wouldnt have noticed... haha what can i say im pretty anal about everything being spick n span. I also like for my models to be "water tight" as ben mathis puts it. Normals showing gives me chills....



Next to add the hair. Ill post some concept art of the boy in a little while.

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Ok sorry for double post. Heres the concept art, so you can get the feel of the game.



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Lol thats scary looking, looks like you've followed the concept pretty well, although the face looks a little less round in 3d than in the concept.

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Those shorts look VERY uncomfortable But the model looks awesome either way. Goodjob (closest thing to a thumbs-up I could find )

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nice

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Nice job. What program is that?
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Thats Blender 3d.

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Yea me and ooga and greelig are forever blender heads. Cant get enough of it and I learn another command it has every day... so much stuff in one proggy!

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very nice model there Oddmind. I really like how you handle your character models and I take a leaf out of your book

When i saw the pink vertex points on that image it made me go all fuzzy inside...

Lol, nice model, cant wait to see it textured. Do you use the LCSM unwrapping inside blender? I love it!

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Looking at the concept, the kid would suit perfectly with a creepy british kid's accent, not a scouser or anything by more RP, except the problem is where are you going to find someone with that kind of accent other than a private school in England


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aie! he looks a bit emo from the concept!

the crotch looks odd, the bit in the middle should come down a bit more. and i think you should sculpt the knees into a more knee like shape.

nice work, and nice concept

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lol, yer, give him a massive package just for laughs eh? lol.

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Ha! Thanks so much Greenlig, I admire your work a ton. Nothing but blender can express my thoughts to their 3d extent. I like LSCM but usually I end up locking into front view and using map "from window" for the front and the back of each limb and connecting them in the port. I just havent had good enough practice with the LSCM but I LOVE Blenders UV mapper... Wont ever use anything else.

Musashi: I was actually talking to Jonny about making the kid German! Hahaha. I grew up around alot of actors so my british accent aint so bad! Also thats one of the reasons I dont talk like a redneck.

Manic : Your right about the haircut I still like it. I havent sculpted the hair yet, as I'm not sure if im even keeping that head. I have since fixed the crotch problem by welding those two at the bottom and deleting the middle face. It looks alot better. About the knees, Im not sure i have enough polys to do that... Im sure i can fix em up, but im no kneeologist so Im not sure what they will look like whilst animating , Ill give em a whack (mafia style).

Also I got time to color in the drawing today in class. We are fortunate to have Photoshop CS2 (for "Winders" XP of course). Im not sure if many of you noticed the blood spatter on his clothes before...



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thats a really cool concept you have oddmind. Will the blood be all over the face?

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Oh im not going to texture him like that . Ill have to figure out how to code that into the engine though for sure! Any ideas on how to do that? Im taking suggestions

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lol, i generally suck at coding. Im not too flashy, but if your looking for suggestions.....i couldnt give any

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Quote: "Musashi: I was actually talking to Jonny about making the kid German! Hahaha. I grew up around alot of actors so my british accent aint so bad! Also thats one of the reasons I dont talk like a redneck."


Kewl, little evil British dude or little evil german dude, doesn't matter, they both play well for sadism, just as long you don't use the german kid having a hissy fit in geek culture

Plus I suck at coding, so I have no idea, however I could suggest making a second texture with it on to apply when its need, so you'd have 2 of the same texture, one bloody, one clean


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Oddmind where in atlanta do you live. Im also here in Atlanta, its surprising all the people popping up here and there from Atlanta. I go to the Art institute.

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awesome! Im thinking about going there.

I live in marietta near canton rd and barrett pkwy. Pretty close to town center mall i guess.

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U want suggestions? I have suggestions ! If you want blood on him when he is hit by a bullet, you could get the normal of the face that a bullet collided with, then align the normal of a blood-textured plane. Or, simpler(LOL, is that even a word?), position a plain at the bullet collision point, and make it a limb of your character. Or, if you wanna get complex, make a blood-textured plain, position it at the bullet source, (IE: enmeys gun barrel) point at it your character, then move each vertex till it collides with the character. This would make it kinda 'wrap' to the surface of the dude. Enough ideas for you?

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, yea! Although I'm not sure about keeping blood on him throughout the game. How would it get off? Only one of his enemys are going to have a gun. I think maybe Ill keep a good blood particle effect at the point of collision but I dont want to get real complicated, seeing as the atmosphere is going to be pretty dark and you wont even see the front of him as often as some games.

Im going to have to figure out how to code a blood spray from any point on his body... How do I go about doing that I wonder?

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Another approach...

If you've got a fairly understandable UV map (maybe a planar map might work best) of the kid, then basically what you do is detect the normal the bullet hit, create a plain with the object's UV Map on it, and begin drawing red pixels from the coordinate the user got shot from outward. Each time you add a new pixel (or maybe every 10 pixels to reduce lag), grab the image and set it to the object's texture. Using this method would allow you to make the blood slowly start pooring out and spreading over his clothes depending on how you programmed it.

Lookin good so far.

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Excellent idea Ruccus! I love it.

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ha! Awesome!

It will take some expert coding, some duct tape, spit and elbow grease but if i get this blood thing working it will be cruising from there.

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The technique Ruccus mentioned would work, although I'm not too sure if it would have to use a 3D Textured Plain. You could just use 2D and use GET IMAGE to save the new image and retexture the object. It would be a very fun experiment to try, I'll have to give it a go this vacation


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Hehe, imagine if you made black spots where the user was shot on both sides of his body, and then used alpha mapping to make the black spots invisible. He'd have holes everywhere xD

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@RP yeah I dunno why I said use a plain 2D would be simpler, Im just used to thinking in 3D I guess

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nice man.. looks alike like all u need is hair and texter

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Hey. Great model and cool concept art. Any more? Is there a website yet?

If you are going to animate that model with bones/skinning etc, you might want to add some more edge loops at the joints (elbow, knees, shoulders) to avoid pinching geometry when he bends anything. Looks like he might be in enough pain!

I understand that you want to keep gemotry low for games, but even the cheapest game cards (ie the Nvidia 5200 FX card using AGP 8x -128mb) specs state they can process 63 million raw vertices, and that's supposed to be like 21mil triangles.

Yeah but everyone knows after adding all the textures and effects we can assume something much less like 850,000 triangles. That's still pretty good, aye?

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They state they can process them, but they dont say how fast

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Yeah that's very true, usually it means per clock cycle, and then that doesn't take into account all the stuff, and cpu power and if it is a sunny day, and whether your little kid sister got a present from the tooth fair etc.

So yeah, lets just say way better than Playstation One performance (probably 1.5x or more)! - hey they did great things with that platform.

Ok I'm off to watch ST:TNG

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thanks for the compliments. I have a bunch of work done, but its mostly in concept, story, level and character design and not alot actually coded yet. I am looking to get a website for it once it gets off the ground.

About the extra verts they are not needed. I built my model with animation in mind, and have experience doin this. It animates fine with the loops that are already there. Again I started making models for Quake II, then got into game development with dark basic.

Also I have a laptop with integrated graphics, my game will have to run on this system fairly well before I'm satisfied.

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Geez, I watched TNG for the good part of the day, about 5 episodes. I guess a small marathon aye?

Anyhow, I do look forward to see where your project heads. Since you have a lot of artwork a website would be great.

Keep us all posted.

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Are you going to animate it in blender?. If you are could you tell me how your going to export it?(With animation). I can't get my model to work =(

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since we're all chipping in with "how to make em bleed", here's my 2 ideas;

1. on the UV map, make sure all the limbs have their own UV space, even seperate for parts normally mirrored, then have your base colour, a seperate blood image, and then another image that is used as a mask, then just blend the hit part of the model's texture to show some of the blood splat, that way there's no new polys added.

2. you could have a seperate UV level (as DBP now supports this) and use this to lay your blood onto. you'd have to have a very basic Quake style uv map for this, and would probably look a bit w*nk.


as for the knees, you don't need to add more polys, just sculpt them a bit more.

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Im from england.... but my accent aint creepy and i dont go to a private school Nice model, except- his hips look a little fat whereas in your concept art they arent. still its up to you. tell me when your model features in the freaky british private school game i assume your gonna make.

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Its baby fat .

Im about to attatch the hair and texture this boy

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Ok i know i said i was gonna take a break but it actually worked and got some stuff done. This is the texture for the bioy.



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Looks cool.

Could you throw a spotlight on him? I think my monitor reads him pretty dark.


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yea it actually is a very dark texture. Ill try and set up a render in yafray or soemthin, im not very good at rendering.

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