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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Pentium Vs AMD

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Wyatt Earp
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2006 17:48
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I've been testing a level out on over 20 PCs with a mix of hardware.

What I find is that with an AMD processor, games load faster and game lag becomes less.

Any low end machine, especially those bought from department stores, from television had serious probs with FPSC.
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2006 18:43
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Intel and AMD are both excellent processors which pretty much perform all the same operations. If you keep up with gaming, you
will notice that the platform of choice is AMD. Just check any gaming mag.

While Intel boasts bigger/faster numbers, AMD processors perform more instructions per cycle, (do more at lesser speeds) comunicate better with memory, and cost less.

Whenever I have opportunity, I will sell a client on AMD. The only thing Intel has going for it is advertising.

As for the low end machines, you get what you pay for....every time.

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Lucifer
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2006 19:46
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pentium MUUUUCH more than amd..

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Benjamin A
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2006 21:41
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New PC.... AMD.
Old PC.... Intel.

Low end..... the game I'm working on will run playable on a P3, 384MB Ram, 64Mb GFX Card and that's imo really low end.

But beware some of the low-end pc's stores sell, use the CPU VIA C3 2000 cpu. Sounds great, but it's really a VIA C3 Samual 2 cpu running at 800Mhz and more or less an old P3. That cpu isn't good for gaming at all and I've found that once you drop under the 1GHZ, fpsc games will not run to well.

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2006 22:11
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Pentium Processors have faster clock speeds, but in a PCworld test it says that AMD has much better performance. For example, the AMD 3800 dual core was faster than Intels above average processor.

I say they are both good, but my fav is AMD.

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Posted: 23rd Apr 2006 22:55
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Get Raven in here! Or at least a few of the DBP'rs. I don't act like I fully understand what is going on, but knowing a few things rather then nothing does help in the end run.

Quote: "1 • Standard Intel Chips are still strictly based on their original x86, meaning that the processor still only performs only 4 Operations Per Cycle, where-as AMD changed their design with Athlon from 4 Ops to 7 Ops. This basically means it can process more raw data in a single cycle.

2 • More Memory Bandwidth. Top-End Pentium IV Processors (even Pentium D) use DDR @ ~850MHz (1.7GHz@128bit), this is done using a half-duplex interface; most AMD Processors use DDR2 @ ~1GHz (2GHz@128bit) using a full-duplex interface."

~Raven

And the most convicing part of all
Quote: "3 • AMD sound way cooler when spoken by its real name 'advanced micro systems' while pentium means.. 5?"

~Lukas W

Also, with Pentium 64bit processors you do not have 32 bit abilities
Quote: "Thank god AMD took the "64-bit Processor with 32-bit Processing Compatibility" rather than Intel's "64-bit Processor only" route."

~Raven

Because of these differances the speed that is provided is not nessicarly the speed that is acheived.

Quote: "
AMD Athlon XP 1.8GHz = Pentium IV 2.5GHz
AMD Athlon 64 1.8GHz = Pentium IV 2.8GHz
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AMD Athlon 64 2.2GHz = Pentium IV 3.2GHz
AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.2GHz = Pentium IV 4.2GHz"

~Raven

Now, AMD can't go on and say we are 2.5GHz because that would be false. They OPERATE at that rate when compared to a Pentium. What pentium continually boasts is their increase of corespeed in relation to their previous chips while AMD's advancements have been in chip design.

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you guys left one one important feature.
the AMD cpu has the memory controller on chip which runs at PROCESSOR SPEED. thats a huge advantage in memory useage and access.
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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 00:12
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AMD is the poor mans Pentium! Pentium is compatible with everything, AMD isnt!


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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 11:11 Edited at: 24th Apr 2006 11:12
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Quote: "you guys left one one important feature.
the AMD cpu has the memory controller on chip which runs at PROCESSOR SPEED. thats a huge advantage in memory useage and access."


Hell yeah, AMD all the way...I haven't owned a Pentium machine since my PIII.

Quote: "AMD is the poor mans Pentium! Pentium is compatible with everything, AMD isnt!"


Name something that AMD isn't compatible with...not counting hyperthreading, which is GAY.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 17:00
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Quote: "AMD is the poor mans Pentium! Pentium is compatible with everything, AMD isnt!
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Another example of advertising overload.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 17:11 Edited at: 24th Apr 2006 17:16
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I've been using AMD for over 13 years now, my first one was a 386sx. I've been using Intel for over 17 years 8088 & 8086.

I have yet to encounter any compatibility issues with either of them.

Both of them had some pretty cool cpu's.... I remember buying an Intel 286 at 20Mhz!!!! while everyone else was still runnning a 8086 at 10MhZ or a 286 at 12Mhz. Also I recall my AMD , a beefed up 486 running at 160Mhz, it actually did beat the first Pentiums that were around (60/66Mhz) in speed.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 17:22
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Hahahaha, 10Mhz!

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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 18:11
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"Name something that AMD isn't compatible with...not counting hyperthreading, which is GAY."



well wouldnt HyperTransport be the same as HyperThreading?? lol, HyperTransport is the AMD version of HT for intel i thought?? right?

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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 19:20
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Quote: "well wouldnt HyperTransport be the same as HyperThreading??"


AMD's HyperTransport is more about the internal bus speeds of the PC, sending data much faster to the Cpu/Ram etc. Intel's Hyperthreading basically allows the Cpu to handle multiple threads which in enabled software will show a speed increase. The Intel chip is software reliant, whereas AMD offers a wider improvement.

Intel's reliance on Chip Technology opposed to AMD's more general solution lead to AMD outselling Intel 3 months in a row last year, the first time in the company's history I believe.

My first PC was a Pentium 200 (Just prior to the launch of Intel's MMX) cost £2000, but since then it's always been AMDs.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 20:19 Edited at: 24th Apr 2006 20:22
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I still have my first PC - sort of. It was a pentium 127MhZ, I overclocked it and it burst into flames! Bang! I keep it as a reminder - Always use an oversized heat sink and not the stock one.

And the PC i'm getting on thursday, it's a pentium as well, 3.0GhZ, 2Gb Ram, and a Nvidia 66something 512mb Graphics card.

The computer i'm on now. - AMD Athlon 3200 + 2.0GhZ, 1Gb of Ram and Nvidia GeForce FX 550 256Mb/

Well there's my 1.34 pennies.

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I am running an old mac right now (eMac 700mhz G4 OS X.) Pretty strange that I can play games like Battlefield 1942 with this stoneage-comp. One thing is a bit sad! The mac version of games is almost always better than the PC version, and still You need better hardware for Your PC....


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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 23:05
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Quote: "One thing is a bit sad! The mac version of games is almost always better than the PC version, and still You need better hardware for Your PC...."

ugg.


Just to reinstate the actual discussion, what features would actually make pentium better then AMD...

My vote is... the blue man comercials.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2006 23:41 Edited at: 24th Apr 2006 23:42
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Instead of spending a lot of money making blue man commercials AMD spends there money on making there Processor's better, thats why Intels cost more than AMD because your paying for the blue man commercials!

I've own both, but in my experiance my AMD's have performed better and cost less than my Intels, why pay for the blue man Commercials!

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They hardly ever aired the blue man ads over here. I alternate between AMD and Intel, however this time I found Intel to be the cheaper option.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2006 03:16 Edited at: 27th Apr 2006 03:32
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I just went to PriceWatch.com compair Pentium 4's to Athlon 64
Pentium are higher there? Pentuim 4 3.2gig $158,$187 VS. Athlon 64 3.2gig $126,$126

http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/

I guess it boils down to what someone thinks is cheap and your own personal preference

like Ford VS Chevy etc,

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 11:48
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OnePost:
ugg.

LOL!!! For three years ago it wasnt like that, but today its a fact! Try to play Doom3 on that 64-bits supermac and the macversion will kick ass with the old PC version! Theese new macgames are awesome!!!


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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 22:54 Edited at: 28th Apr 2006 22:55
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Quote: "Pentuim 4 3.2gig $158,$187 VS. Athlon 64 3.2gig $126,$126"


You are doing 2 things wrong. Pentium 4 isn't 64bit... I think... shouldn't be... and Athlon 64, as stated above, is an improved version of the x86 chips, add on the 64 bit part and you get a +1ghz to the comparison speed.



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Specs.

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Quote: "Pentium are higher there? Pentuim 4 3.2gig $158,$187 VS. Athlon 64 3.2gig $126,$126"

Bare in mind I did say this time. Generally AMDs are cheaper. Just not on this occasion .

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Here are some screenshots from the MacVersion....

http://www.aspyr.com/noframes.php/games.php/mac/d3/screenshots/

Looks very good, dosnt it?


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Exactly my point One Post, It’s cheaper to buy a 64 bit AMD than it is to buy a 32 bit Pentium 4? It's a no brainer which one to buy if your going to build a new PC at least for me anyway.

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Mr. Love...
That is just a screenshot, I asked for SPECS.

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Well on my new computer I can play Q4 on ultra quality! With no lag!
Specs - 3.0ghz p4 (x2) processors, 2gb ram, 512mb 6600 Nvidia graphics card. Also has Media centre.

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WWW.APPLE.COM Apple HomeSite! Is it to mutch to ask for that You find it Yourself??? What I remember right now is that the fastest Mac Power PC has two 2,5Ghz processors, 64-bit, I have heard that it is the fastest Consumer computer on the market! (At least it was...)

OnePost! Do You know what kind of tools I need to overclock My Mac? I heard that eMac 700Mhz and eMac 800Mhz has the same processor, model 800 is just a bit overclocked. I heard about a Guy that overclocked his eMac 700Mhz up to 1,2Ghz!!! Thats tooooo mutch. But it will run stable around 1Ghz. Anyone here who knows how to do this? I have never done it Myself before.....

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Overclocking - AKA Bugger all to do with FPSC or AMD VS Intel

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well its Pentium for me,used AMD in the past and found that they were crap with floating points on 3d games ie.Half-life....Slowed down when a lot of action going on the screen.........

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ok people amds processer names are compared to intels
AMD 64 3200+ = 3.2 GHz pentium
AMD 64 3800+ = 3.8 GHz pentium

its that simple you dont need to do easy math if AMD already compared for you

and to get another thing strait:

all processers are 64 bit sice the first socket 7 pentium
the difference is that the amd 64 allows you to run 64 bit software

and if anyone says im wrong ill wave my a+ tech. cert. in your face
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Quote: "and if anyone says im wrong ill wave my a+ tech. cert. in your face "

And I have a Certificate of Insanity.

Please, defend. Given that you are certified, you should be able to actally explain why 'all processors are 64 bit' or the 'conversion' of AMD corespeed to Pentium corespeed.

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Retarded Sausage just got pwnd! Ha!

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