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Smitho
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Posted: 11th May 2006 09:03
Hey guys,
I was just wondering...Is FPS Pac worth getting?
I dont mean "I think it sucks...Is it worth the money" I mean, could someone possibily write a quick review?
I know it's not much money, but whats the point of spending it when i could get a new board with it?
Thanks in advance.

Yours in gaming,
Dan.

Weeee
FredP
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Posted: 11th May 2006 19:10
If you are serious about making FPSC games FPSPack is worth the money.It is too bad the demo version is not available any more.
FPSPack packs your game,allows you to set the screen resolution and decide which keys do what,spash screens,etc.
I recommend getting it.I don't think there is another app which packs your game similar to FPSPack.

FLa
Where you can find my demo:http://www.savefile.com/files/6970524
Smitho
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Posted: 11th May 2006 22:20
Thanks for the reply I has returned...
Has anyone got the demo (FPSPack Lite or whatever it was called)
Anyone else out there with thoughts?

Yours in gaming,
Dan.

Weeee
FredP
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Posted: 11th May 2006 22:36
You're welcome.I am not sure but I think RastaMan quit distributing the demo.You might check out his site.It is www.rastaworld.com.You might ask him about the demo.It's called FPSPack Lite.

FLa
Where you can find my demo:http://www.savefile.com/files/6970524
randbo
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Posted: 12th May 2006 01:19
i am very happy with fps pack. it does zip up and pack the game nicely.
you need a password to access the files if you try to unzip it using another utility.
it will open up with your game name on it and take like 30sec to do so.

its very nice to ship an .exe only and others cannot get inside it.
Smitho
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Posted: 12th May 2006 09:47
Okay thanks again,
I'll get in touch with him about the Demo version.
Anyone know what capabilities the Demo has?
I think I'll probably end up getting it...
Btw, when i try and change the logo on the FPSC game, it stops the client from working... Any reason why this would affect the Packed version (If i were to use FPS Pack)
Thanks Again,

Yours in gaming,
Dan.

Weeee
Jiffy
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Posted: 12th May 2006 10:12
FPS-Files still has FPSPack Lite on its server, you can take it from there (I'd assume, then, that Rasta is fine with that). Lite is really quite generous, considering that it keeps in a lot of things. It's only for non-commercial use, and it doesn't have a few (useful) options, but it's still a good way to see if it's worth it. And it is .


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FredP
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Posted: 12th May 2006 14:32
I'm using FPSPack Lite at the moment although I plan on buy ing the full version when my game gets closer to completion.I have to say at this point I am very happy with it.
With all of the options RastaMan keeps adding I might buy it sooner than later,though.

FLa
Where you can find my demo:http://www.savefile.com/files/6970524
KeithC
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Posted: 12th May 2006 15:36
We have the full version of FPS Pack. It has a very professional interface, is quite easy to use, and wraps up your game in a nice little package...highly recommended (unless you like sharing with others )

-Keith


the_winch
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Posted: 13th May 2006 18:02 Edited at: 13th May 2006 18:27
Quote: "unless you like sharing with others"


Well fpspack just uses compresses your game in a password protected zip file. It doesn't fix the big media protection problem with fpsc (and dbpro) exes that in order to load media/files the files must be written to disk unencrypted. Since a fpsc exe could load media and open files at all points during its execution the files need to be left on disk unencrypted for as long as the fpsc exe is running.
Fpspack just writes the decrypted fpsc exe and files to your temp directory and runs it from there.

As well as the poor protection this method also has a few other issues. Fpsc exe and media for a game can easily take up sevearal hundred Mb. Decrypting and writing several hundred Mb of data to the users temp dir when the game runs isn't a quick operation on a low end computer or one with a slow hard disk.
I have a laptop and laptops typically have smaller sized drives which are a fair bit slower than a bigger desktop drive.
The fpspacked demo from here takes 45 seconds from double clicking the exe to the fpsc menu screen. Snatching the unprotected program from the temp dir and running it takes 5 seconds from double clicking the exe to the fpsc menu screen. That's for a relativly small (130 MB) game. With a full game how long will I be waiting? Several minutes by the look of it.

It's really just security by obscurity, you are relying on the user not knowing where the program extracts its files and media to keep it safe.
Who are you trying to keep your media and scripts from? I expect only other fpsc owners have any reason to want your scripts and media. People that just downloaded your game to play probably have no use for fpsc scripts or media, they just want to play a game.
The people you are trying to protect you media from are likley to have above averarage computer literacy and read these forums. IMO this is the type of situation where security by obscurity is effectivly useless. The info will get where people can find it and they have enough knowledge to exploit it.

IMO the only way to provide any meaningfull protection is to modify the way the fpsc exe loads files and media. Then you can remove the need for files to be stored unecrypted on disk for the duration of the programs execution. Any protection system that doesn't do this becomes useless when someone discovers where the protection system is storing the unecrypted files during the programs execution.

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rabid rabbit
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Posted: 14th May 2006 00:55 Edited at: 14th May 2006 00:55
FPS Pack is SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watch out, this bunny bites...
Just One Old Man
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Posted: 14th May 2006 03:59
the_winch: You're right, of course, but I don't think RastaMan ever claimed complete security. I believe the primary objective was simply the packaging. A lot of users here didn't know how to wrap up their level/game for distribution (online, among friends, whatever), and FPSPack filled that need pretty well.

Having cut my teeth on Assembly a long time ago in a galaxy far away, I know that any code can be reverse engineered and dis-assembled. You can modify just about anything out there with any of the free hex editors available for download. And they have programs to search and rip icons and such directly out of EXEs and resource files.

I'm not trying to say that FPSPack is secure in any way shape or form, but it does add a level of security from the occasional folder browser. I believe, though, that the main focus of the program is simply to make life a little easier for the less adept game makers who want to share their goodies (levels/games). I think it fills that need pretty well.


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Les Horribres
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Posted: 30th May 2006 02:56
Sorry for the bump, but I have to say this

Quote: " but I don't think RastaMan ever claimed complete security."

Indeed he did, he claimed total content protection... and I ripped him for it. He ripped me as well, and it ended in Jess locking the thread. (I also caught him ripping me elsewhere... and he tried defending himself on how I got his IP)

After that he changed it to 'content protection' or some dumbed out version... and I was 'satisfied' however the whole product was revoked the instant I revealed a few secrets I found while toying with demos.

My point? Go with FPS Pack if you need to, but just remeber that FPS Pack is not fully protected. Rastaman no longer claims it, but people don't understand that.

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