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Wayne
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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 04:13
Guys,

I'm an ex vet.. some of you might remember that., I served as missle security, and a weapon's specialist. I've done lots of things while in my service. I read the forums now, and I can't believe that we will spend sooo much time on a thread that has nothing to do with the reason this site exists. GRANTED IT IS A GENERAL TOPIC THREAD I KNOW! But c'mon, we are all programmers, this back and forth of who sucks and who is kewl, and who fought braver in more wars is pointless. I've been under fire. It ain't nothing to boast about. It's scary, and it sucks, and when it happens you just want to pretend it won't happen. If somebody makes an anti terrosrist game, it's their right. It's also your right to say that game is wrong, but please don't disgrace my country by saying things (A lot of which are false) that degrade my nation. I'm not for or against the war. I did my time, and I have the right to be neutral. So I can say from looking at both sides is that Americans need to stop saying the Brits suck (Because the SAS DO ROCK!!!)
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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 07:26 Edited at: 29th Mar 2003 09:06
I'm an ex vet- too ,(retired now-from mil.) Don't tell anyone I just hang out on the protest post just to harrass them (but not insult). I hope they cant read this or the jig is up. Any way you can't get upset or take it personal "here".
It upsets me too but I learned to get along with it. I don't think anyone here is going to go terrorize America. - well raven maybe. joke.
I only program for my enjoyment and fun. Iam not a serious programmer by any means.
Oh I started out in EERT (electrical engineering tech) but ended up in networking. Most are ok here (even Raven-he just over extends himself a bit, lips to ass,not).
But you do have friends, ok.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 19:42
damn, some of my post was deleted...hmmmm? DAng, I'm not worried bout having friends here, we all have a common interest, and I think some of the younger guys here forget that with the constant flaming. it's a little immature, and I think we can all find something better to talk about

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 20:07
mwhahaa... Raven is gonna plough his turtle into the side of the Neopolitan Theatre!! Watch me reach speeds of 0.05mph before i crash and possibly bruise my elbow in a blaze of glory

sorry, dunno what came over me there
i think its because rather than waneing people attention away from what happened, we're all actually wanting to discuss what is going on here ... for me its because everyone around me doesn't want to hear or talk about it. When the news is on about a war or conflicts, they're lucki as they can just turn it off. Unfortunately there are people that even when they turn off the TV they still have it.

And i'm not talking just in the middle-east, anyone who's been into Hollywood or North Inglewood will know just how bad gang warfare on our streets can be.
I stayed with a friend for 2days, and i felt like i was in a damn'd warzone - gunfire, small explosions, people screaming for help because they've been shot and/or injured. For most war doesn't end over in the middle-east with those less fortunate, but we have to live with it on a daily basis because people just can't get along.

For me i feel the conflict is an important thing, whether you believe it is for good or for bad ... it is still a damn'd important part and yes early days yet, but there are too many 'what if's?'.
If we add to this the fact that some of us have friends and family, out there in the armed forces fighting for a cause which so many people seem against - what will those American Soldiers be treated like when they return?
Hero's like in WW2? or like they never existed like in Veitnam?

no matter the reasons behind the conflict we must always treat those who actually fight with alot of respect - because it isn't thier fault they are fighting, it is just a job like any other. You're told what to do, and you'll do it ... it is what your trained for, it is what your paid for, it is what you'll die for.
There are so many people who desert in these kinds of conflicts, simply because they sign up for peacetime not for wartime - those are the people you should be angry at. Not the brave men and women risking thier asses!
The reasons behind why they're risking thier asses doesn't matter to them, and now the fighting has started shouldn't for anyone else either ... all that matters is they know that we're all proud that they are there and hoping they all do thier best and come back alive

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 20:25
Good point Raven,

I don't mind discussing the war, but I don't like it people (including americans) just bad mouth other countries, we can talk about the war without saying who sucks and who doesn't. C'mon guys, who among us has actually been there, and done that? Who here can honestly say they have went through special forces school, or SAS training, or trained along side the armies of africa and korea? A lot of you know, deep down, that you haven't. Don't make assumptions based off what country you're from. We all have strengths and weaknessess.

I wish we could focus more on what matters. We can discuss the war, I'd like to read views on what the armies should do next, or whatever. but from an unbiased standpoint. If you want me to agree or even maturely debate something you have to say, don't use the profanity or name calling in your post. What does that get us? Nowhere!

Of course I'd like to discuss programming a bit more with some of ya'll.

Anyways, I guess I'm just tired already of seeing these flame wars. There were too many at the old DB forum. I guess I'm just hoping we can all be more professional (including myself) at this forum.

Wayne

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Martyn Pittuck
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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 20:30
WOW SAS, or you just teasing

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 20:33
I've trained with them. Never underwent SAS training. Those guys LOVE to trade. I have some vreally awesome souvieniers ( <<--butchered that ) Anyways, I've done quite a bit of stuff. Can't say I've seen TOO much fire, but thats a good thing. Seen enough to know that it's nothing to brag about.

Martyn, your signature is totally funny! LOL

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 20:36
I only badmouth one counrty the one I'm living in, and only when the higher-up make real foolish desitions.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 20:44
a friend told me what he had to go through to join the SaS (which strictly he shouldn't of but as i'm not gonna say who i think its kinda oki to say) ... some of the training methods are just brutal though
i know i could never do anything like that, without getting some truely greusome injuries or ya know dieing lol
be good epitaph "Raven died trying to complete SaS Basic Training" hahaa

he had soem good pictures though of conflicts he's been in, and certainly not something for the weak of stomach - cause he has a few with limbs of people with a big like "I killed this!" kinda proud look on his face. complete nutter i swear. Certainly some of the coolest guys to hang with though cause they know howto relax
i mean its cool how they can just come outta work and *click* its as if it never existed and they're ready to have some fun.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 20:46
Hmmm...

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Can't say I've seen TOO much fire, but thats a good thing. Seen enough to know that it's nothing to brag about.

Lucky ! ..... I have a nice sized entry wound on my stomach, with an even bigger exit wound on my side + a nice 12" scare going up my middle where the surgeons had to remove 9 feet of small intestine + half of my colon, then repare.

Like I said..... Lucky !!

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 21:03 Edited at: 29th Mar 2003 21:05
EnchantisoftStudios- I meant friends as in the military family- not bossom buddies.
No one forces me to read or reply to any post here, it's my choice. Iv'e got only me to blame.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 23:41
The only thing I dont like about the US is its administration, I have no qualms with the American people at all. Another thing that I find disturbing is the US Military amphetamenes (spelling?) usage this could explain the Blue on Blue incidents.

Just for the record I cant stand the UK Blair administration either.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2003 02:45
yeah it could... and it is certianly a practise that was damn'd by the Royal Airforce. Don't think they give ground troops them though.

there has been alot of confusion, there have been a few friendly british casualties now - i think if i remember what i was told only 3 area actually dead. I've got some beefs with alot of American people, but then i guess its not something you can have until you notice how they treat foriengers.

i can tell you exactly how i'd be treated in every part of LA - which is pretty sad knowing there are place i should venture and places i shouldn't go unless i'm looking to fight. perhaps this is most places now, but still its stupid that the people who actually make you feel the least welcome are the minorities. Some places every move you make you're watched like a hawk, and not in a way you don't notice it - i mean you can literally feel people looking at you because of what you look like.
personaly that is something is seriously dislike about america, the administration is only the tip of what is wrong with the country ... i could go almost anywhere in the UK and sure at first you'll have some areas where you'll get a few looks for being there, but nothing on the scale of the states. There are places where you can be made feel so unwelcome that you can feel so damn'd uneasy about being around there - and this is comming from me! i ain't scare of almost jack and some of these area's spook the hell outta me.
to me that just ain't right!!

and the people in general, although i shouldn't generalise such a statement - but if you don't believe in what they believe they will talk to you in a way that will make you feel like YOU ARE in the wrong for feeling that way.
like i'd say something like "Oh i don't drive after dark, cause i always feel a little tired." ... a response i can expect would be "Well you British on the opposite side of the worlds, surely it feels like morning for you!"
thats also the kinda ignorance i have to put up with daily...

sorry but its such a superficial country in the way people act, and live making you feel bad for not being normal, yet i don't know any bugger there which you could even remotely class as normal... being so fake just really pisses me off all the time.
find out everyone is going around saying "yeah i'm real, i'm doing my own thing" catch them without all the guys, suddenly its like you've swapped Hitler for bloody Mahatma Ghandi!

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Posted: 30th Mar 2003 03:59 Edited at: 30th Mar 2003 16:13
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Posted: 30th Mar 2003 05:39
they were on drugs remember Raps... they didn't know what they were doing. However that said, giving people drugs when they're in command of enough firepower to level a small village, what does THAT tell you about responsiblity, organisation or skill of who is actually up there?

personally i think the best reason for Canada not to get involved is because it'd ruin the precious Beer drinking time and pissing aboot doing nothing time hehee

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Posted: 30th Mar 2003 07:51
This is one of those times I have to really disagree, first:
There are area's I would not go to , duh , thats just being a dumb ass,(lA really) but if you came to my place you would be welcomed.
Canada- That was freindly fire (oximoron i know) get over it. Crap I am tired of the stupidity and omni crap that abounds, shit happens. Hell The fog of war is real!
The drugs were to keep them up, I personally think it shouldn't happen.
Why the US vers the UK crap, we are not at war last time I checked. And it's a bit lopsided to be spouting off. I respect your national pride but get over it.
Well this board is in the UK, So what should I expect.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2003 15:06
yup... UK and dang proud to be too :: thumps chest :: hehee
there seem to be ALOT of areas not to go in LA, which i'm learning slowly.
its stupid though cause most of the city is broken up into little countries of people - cause you have like the majority of each nationality in each area, you venture in there ... and you're the sore thumb (and they sure as hell make you know you are too)

to me that just ain't right, especially in a country which prides itself on being multicutural and accepting - i mean the reality of the country is a huge slap in the face. And i guess it is less prodominant in the smaller parts, for example i'm like a few miles north in Irvine, which is a pleasent town
but even there you venture into the wrong coffee shop, if you ain't a regular you'll be made feel damn unwelcome.
i mean perhaps you don't notice this kinda thing because your american yourself, no doubt grown up around this culture and how it treats people ... but i mostly grew up in the UK which (although some from the UK might laugh) is generally a more friendly place to live.

a good example would be you walk down a street in the UK you say 'mornin' to someone they will think your a weirdo, but you feel obliged to kinda be polite and say it back... you say it down a street around here, you best first make sure which street your going down - cause the wrong one and you best have good health insurance, say it down a good one and people will just look at you as if to say "weirdo!" - or even better those who actually stop and they think they know you. They damn well trap you on the street going "oh yeah i know you, arn't you Shirley's boy" and its like... "i was just being friendly, leave me alone!"
i know that could come off as friendly but that is REALLY creepy to me, that some people think they know everyone in the whole of a city like that.
but not a single soddin' "hello" or "morning"

as i've said don't think this is a US vs UK thing here cause it not - i'm just saying from my perspective the US is just really unfriendly generally, even in London and places like Croydon or Pekham - you will STILL get aleast one or two friendly people who will be polite and reply back. Same went for certain areas of Derby - for a place to holiday the states is great, as people notice your a tourist and YEAH they're friendly ... if you live here and stop looking like a tourist, suddenly the mood all changes on how your treated.
i'm sure i'll get used to it eventually, but to me the city is just harsh.

and i grew up around watford, you look up crime figures Watford is worse than the bad part of London, Manchester and Newcastle put together - but atleast they were friendly bloody criminals!

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I grew up in the country where everbody did know everybody and who was doing who....... I now live in SC south east, even here you can't go just anywhere crack houses and such. People in the South are usually friendlier.
Criminals in the US tend to be the more violent type, lots of automatic weapons to choose from. Sure we have a waiting period for the AK-47 deer rifle.
Iam proud to be an American - and not just because I was born here , helps though... I been to a lot of third world countries and see them first hand. I'll take the usa any day. But I never been to England, only bad thing I heard about it was the depressing weather. That reminds me I asked Arrow a question and now I lost it, hate when that happens. must keep list of who i pissed off and where.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2003 06:15
hey raven, you need counselling bro.

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lol... counsellers need counselling once they've counselled me (^_^)
that aside i'm just in that place in this country right now where i'm no longer a tourist, but i'm also not quite a local ya know?

so they don't treat me like i'm a new idiot around town, but then again there are no places which are really welcoming - i'm sure it'll change given time, but i mean its one of the only countries that i've been made feel like i do stick out ... i dunno, i've never been treated like that before and its kind a shock to the system ya know?
kinda like being an outcast apart from a very small selection of close friends (which some arn't so close right now)

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Posted: 31st Mar 2003 07:37 Edited at: 31st Mar 2003 07:44
Huh - try to be an American in the middle east, your going to stick out, but most of the times they can't tell American from Germans etc..
What happened, you really seam upset about it? I see you changed your location to the US. And please don't get paranoid, gee your British not a green Alien trying to taking over LA or something, You just need to adjust. But being freindy helps! Most respond well to that.
Gosh if I didn't know better I would think your homesick.

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it probably more that everyone i've talked to and everything were like "oh yeah living in the states is cool, its so friendly" and stuff like that.
i mean to be honest its annoying because people are very rude around town, its just an unfriendly, and very racial atomsphere... comming from a background which really i'd of thought was really identical - but Stateside atleast in LA its a very different story.

suppose there are alot of cities in countries like this, but for me having to know that if i walk 2mile west of C-Sun Northridge ... i WILL be shot at!
i mean there are so many rules that you've gotta stick to - like you go down into longbeach, you go into the Eastside ... if you don't have a black friend with you they will chew you out like a rotwieler with a chewtoy!

i am adjusting and i know it'll take a while to like be able to really start to think of it as home, but visiting for a while and actually having it as a home ... there is just so much difference to me - you start to notice just how different the societies are from each other
probably England would seem weird to someone American if they had to live there - i mean i know there's an aussie who moved in to where i used to live with my girl ... and like admitedly i think it helped him alot that we were kinda friendly and we did become good friends, but when he first moved atleast within the first 12months it was like he did become very homesick ... and for me atleast the fact that i'm jumping between the countries so much, so i'm living in both its just so weird to me. I know there are alot of days i'd give anything to be home again, just be set back in good old UK somewhere
but then again i am actually around atleast 3friends i've known since i was a kid ... and 3 friends is better that none. and i don't mean friends... i mean real friends ya know - people who are there through all the shight as well as a the good.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2003 16:45 Edited at: 31st Mar 2003 16:46
I work on tills taking films for processing and giving back developed photos (in england) and customers are very polite, even when their photos are late. Recently, there was an american woman who hadn't been given her extra set on saturday, and they still weren't ready on sunday (when I work). And she was ranting and raving and took the manager's name and number and the name of the woman serving her who wasn't even involved in the mix-up! Even through this mess, the sales assistant was still polite (pretending to care about this woman's problem). The woman was even complaining about a completely irrelevant problem to do with the company I work for and the Internet!

I hate to think what it's like working the tills in America. I expect if you don't say 'hello' cheerfully enough you get shot! (Off topic: The public of any country should NOT have guns.)
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Martyn Pittuck: would FPS be Fags Per Second, for all those who dont know in the UK Fags can mean cigarettes.

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lol, Frames Per Second...

Honestly

The Outside is a evil place to be, too much light, too much noise and too many distractions....
I went outside once and my FPS rate dropped to 5.
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aww... how could you suggest that Martyn smokes
he's down to a few cuban's a day now (hehee)

Shadow thats kinda how it is... the worst thing is, is the fact that they're like bombs - you never know when they'll go off, especially (dare i say) fat women ... i mean most guys will be just like "yeah, whatever" not a damn about much, but the women christ - so see them taking a breath to talk ... you run for it, swear to god!

there's a nice little coffee shop in town (not Starbucks, although there is one lol) i saw this waitress, gotta feel sorry for the poor lass - she was only doing her job delivering the coffee and this women was like "what do you call this?" as she held up a muffin, she then layed into the poor girl for the fact that it wasn't quite big enough for her!
i mean surely people expect different shops, different portions no?
tell you a job that must suck big time, and thats being on the complaints desk at somewhere like Disneyland - or Disneyworld - or whatever the hell its called now... lol i dunno i've been to it once (well you have to, can't come to South Cali and not go lol) but i mean you see people and its like, things that happen are the staff's fault not thier own, but the staff have to be that scarey kinda happy. though it is kinda fun to make fun of them having to be kinda and polite to customers, i mean british stores people are generally kinda friendly and such - and they'll be polite about things, but once they've done the pleasentries they'll get on with whatever they were before.

there are some stores in LA i swear to god the attendants stalk you ... well be like in the changing room for a few seconds "sir, would you like any help?"
"help? with what i'm trying on these jeans!"
"i know sir but what if they're not to your liking, would you like me to help you pick out another pair?"
"but i might want just these."
"yes sir, but you can never have to many jeans."
... "oki, tell ya what you round me up some jeans and i'll take a look"

and whilst he's rounding up the jeans i make a quick dash to the checkout and try to pay for the things before he can come back.
worst still are the comments you get when you show your mate (ya know the one you take along who actually has fashion sense) and the attendant comes in with lines he musta practised like ... "oh that makes you look much thinner!"
anyone who's seen me will know first had, thinner is certainly NOT something that should be said to me - as i'm boardering on anarexic, not by choice its just my matabolism burn food like a furnace in winter.

and you get the other ones like, "oh that sweatshirt makes you look 5years younger." ... which i have has said to me and Chris burst out laughing for some quite obvious reasons.
and another once i've heard is... "ohh you're british, i can tell by the accent! you must try these" and he held up something truely ugly not even i'd eb blind enough to what'd make me look like an idiot to wear. It was a T-Shirt black with rhinestone things on the front with a great big (yup you've guessed it) union jack on the front.

i buggered him up though, cause i turned around and said "aww i'd take that if only you had a St. George version." it cracked me up cause the kid actually started searching for one, and like 5mins later her caught up with us and asked "what does the St. George look like?"

wonder though, why do they try to be overly helpful? are they paid per item of clothing they shift, cause it certainly seemed like it the way he seemed to want to get me to leave with the entire store lol

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Raven needs to cut down on the words

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i'm bored... or you talking about your cuban addiction? hehee

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hehe, i gotta find a picy of a cuban now

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I went outside once and my FPS rate dropped to 5.
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Well at least we are not talking about blowing each other up, or how much we dislike each other =)

Martyn: dont worry Raven's on 5 stogies a day

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