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rapscaLLion
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2 Questions:

1) Why does my DBP disk make horrendous noises when I put it in the drive?
I put it in, in whirs, then I hear a loud clicking sound, then it whirs again, then a click, over and over and over again. After almost a minute the DBP logo shows up and then the install screen. After all the trouble, the disk can't be validated, even though it is a genuine legal copy of DBP! I have to restart my comp to get the damn editor to work again. This happen with anyone else?
2) Doesn't SafeDisk infringe on my right to make a backup copy of the disk? IE- If I burn a backup copy, will it be invalid because of safedisk? Because if so that would make it illegal...
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CloseToPerfect
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Posted: 31st Mar 2003 04:18
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sounds like you going to be buying another copy of dbpro soon. You gotta agree dbs has one hell of a sells tactic, huh? Wonder how many copies they can sell to the same person this way.

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I used Alcohol 120% to make a backup ISO of mine, and I run off that, just keep it on my hard drive and virtually mount it. It bypasses savedisc . I cant give you a link tho because I think that might be considered warez, even if it is only for backup. Do a search.


And yes I did buy it, so dont yell at me for this admins, you can talk to realgametools they got a reciept. lol.

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MrTAToad
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Some drives have trouble with the SafeDisk system to start with - might be advisable to buy a new CD-Writer/DVD Drive...

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"2) Doesn't SafeDisk infringe on my right to make a backup copy of the disk? IE- If I burn a backup copy, will it be invalid because of safedisk? Because if so that would make it illegal..."

SafeDisc is perfectly legal, anyhow, it is a crap protection and DBS' built in a.p. code is even worse, if the protection bothers you then just get rid of it.

Users SHOULD NOT have to buy a new CD writer just to cope with SafeDisc.

Remember, although in SOME countries, you have a legal right to make a backup (a very grey legal area), the companies are not obliged to make it possible or easy.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2003 20:13
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"sounds like you going to be buying another copy of dbpro soon. You gotta agree dbs has one hell of a sells tactic, huh?"

Most sensible people would return their CD to us for a free replacement.

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EdzUp
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Sounds more like his CDrom drive is reading it off kilter, I would try returning it if this doesnt work try replacing the CD drive itself.

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rapscaLLion
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Posted: 9th Apr 2003 02:51
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Both my DVD Rom drive (Pioneer 16x) and my Burner give me the same funny noises

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Posted: 9th Apr 2003 03:38 Edited at: 9th Apr 2003 03:38
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Just disable SafeDisc then raps.

May I also add that the DBP disc was mastered badly as it certainly doesn't read as easily as it ought to (even when it was brand new) in some of my drives.

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:-s Hello my name is Matt and I just bought Dark Basic pro.
I got hooked on the trial versions of both dark basic and dark basic pro.
I am brand new to programing. I'v bin learning C++ for about 6 months but got
farther in 3 days with dark basic than I did in 6 months with C++.

The only problem is that on my purchesd version I cant seam to get it to work. It downloaded fine and every thing but it will not run any programs accept
very small ones (hello world) is all I can get it to do. It is not my programing either; it won't run any of the tutorials. every time I compile it just spits out an error mesage thet says somthing difernt each time.

My machine is a HP with windows Me, 120 ram, with a S3 grafics card version 4.0. Its system resourses are at 85%, file system 32 bit. Can any one tell me if its my machine (I know its not a corvette) or the program? Or can anyone tell me what the problem is? "runtime error 1504-display cannot be created due to unknown direct x error atline 0", "acces violation at address 00541417 in moduale 'editor.exe'. write of adress 0117f833",and a realy strange one that happend when I tried to run a math tutorial in the help files "access violation at address 0055bf24 in
module 'editor.exe' read of address FFFFFFFF" . this last one repeatedly reopend its window over and over until it fild up the whole screen and system memory until I shut off the computer. ya impropper shut down! The FFFFFFF's are apropriate in this case. It also had other errer messages. each time it is different. So far I have restored my computer,run my mantenence wizzard and even downloaded direct x 9,and have restarted my computer 10 times or so. Is directX9 compatible with dark basic pro?

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Raps my DvD-Roms have problems with alot of the new CDs, they all whirr and click - sometimes unless i put the CD's in on bootup windows doesn't recognise them, yet in my CDRW, DVDRAM and CDROMs they work just fine.

it's just one of those damn'dest things you have to put up with unfortunately, i've actually been thinking recently about grabbing myself a copy of DBPro with a USB Dongle ... seems a much better way around the copyright thing, and i don't have a machine which doesn't support HotPort connection so could just plug it an/out whenever i needed it
but if you want a solution for now, grab an 80min 720mb CD and copy DBpro CD - most copy programs will either copy direct or ISO it then you can copy to CD.
it'll stop the problem, if you can't copy it get a mate to do it

maybe the S3 Card... depending on what it is exactly, if it doesn't support Direct3D properly DBpro may not recognise it as a viable card.

try using the command 'emulation on' and try a simple program, it should shift into software mode - if that doesn't run then i'd suggest you email [email protected]

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S3 cards suck, I should know, I have one ... at least until I get my new card in 3-5 days I would REALLY recommend getting a new card whenever you can afford it. S3 cards don't support OpenGL and barely do DirectX...

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rapscaLLion
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Ok, that works. I can make a copy of it for emergencies,
ie if I need it while my disc is being replaced by DBS for example.

I don't think it's breaking the CD.... but it's just funny. It's like it gets to speed then jerks to a stop. And repeats.

I've never had that before that I can recall. Oh well, it's bearable, I only have to do it once every 100 compiles right

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Riverrat, it is most likely direct X's problem. if you didnt set a system restore point before you installed it, then you need to wipe your comp clean, and reinstall everything with DX8. then it should work. I had all sorts of problems with DX9 until I rolled back to DX8

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I had the exact same problem with a CD drive once. It turned out not to be any particular CD, but the drive was actually beginning to fail. It only got worse.

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Posted: 9th Apr 2003 14:03 Edited at: 9th Apr 2003 14:04
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"i've actually been thinking recently about grabbing myself a copy of DBPro with a USB Dongle ... "

I just disabled the copy protection using a well-known utility, in fact, one could just write a quick program in even VB to emulate the copy protection, after all, all it does (the DBProAssist.exe file is SD2 protected) is to create an INI file with tickvalue=320.

I am certainly not going to buy the USB Dongle.

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There is somekind of law that says:

"It's illegal to make a copy of a CD, except if the CD Copyprotection disables you to use that CD..."

This means if you have bought DBPro and the cd wont work (because of the CD protection) you can lagally make a copy and crack it for your own use.

[EDIT]
I know it's the S3 card. My old computer had a S3 card and it wouldn't compile anything except the very, very simple stuff (like "hello world"). Obiviously it has shared RAM. I can see that because you say you have 120 MB Ram, and that is not normal. This is bad because they are slower.
And let me guess, it's not even AGP, right?
A gForce 2 MX440 card is enough, and is also very cheap.

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Would this be one of Murphy's Laws?

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I don't know. I read it in a danish computer magazine.

An example:
That guy who cracked the DVD (and created deCSS) walked free because he said he couldn't play his DVD's on Linux.

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And a damn good decision it was too. There are also politics behind it, the EU is busy bringing a lawsuit against MS, so a member country can't have a ruling which would effectively favour MS.

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Rob the point in buying the dongle is firstly
a) when i install the software on other systems, if someone else wants to us it withou my permission or knowlage they can't
b) i don't have to crack every single computer i have DBpro on (right now there are around 16 over 3countries, so for ones its cheaper than the flights just to but a dongle)
c) i have this nagging feeling whenever someone prevent copyright protection or something for me, and i end up deleting it ... sorry but some of us still have morals

i'm not sure why the EU could win a courtcase against microsoft, as thier copyright protection doesn't prevent backups, the phonenumber to register your product (if its legal ofcourse) is a freephone no matter the country your in to get your activation code.
and it automatically does this without your knowlage if your online at the time ... plus you can update your installation files with new patchs on installation because of it.
quite frankly Microsofts protection methods are the best and probably THE most legal way about doing it you could imagine.

if you think about it, you can copy their CDs without problem ... doesn't change how the CD will work, doesn't change how the protection works - whereas CD's like DBpro's do. So really they're taking Microsoft to court out of the inconvenience, because EVEN if you dont' register the programs right away for Microsoft you get 50tries for FREE! so even if it is a pirate you still get a good amount of tries with it... i mean for gods sake for the adverage windows user this would be almost 2months of FREE OS time!
and during this time you can update it, install things and it acts no differe. So explain to me exactly how this is unfair or breaking any law?

If something won't run on a system then i can agree with cracking it, UNLESS it doesn't mention this within the supported systems.
For example if the Comptibility says "DvD Player Mode-1,Microsoft Windows, Macintosh MacOS"

then sorry its that guys own fault for not reading the slip of the DvD, just assuming that it would be and then cracking it ... and perhaps with the crack it does become compatible - however if this was never outlined in the original packaging as such a feature then really he shouldn't have has a legal leg to stand on.

as for S3 cards, depending on which one you use depends on what they support ... the Savage3D, Savage4, Savage2000 are capable of OpenGL and DirectX - DirectX they work pretty much perfectly with, yet that changes from maker to maker.

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"i have this nagging feeling whenever someone prevent copyright protection or something for me, and i end up deleting it ... sorry but some of us still have morals"

Entirely understandable but I just don't have a problem with cracking DBP as I legally own it, I am just making it more convenient for me to use. Point (a) is valid though, and for large unis I can understand that. Also, I only have DBP installed on one PC, so it isn't a problem. To be fair though, now that it is only requested only once every 500 compiles, that isn't too big a deal.

Actually, my program takes between 5-10 seconds to compile (it is only a tech demo). Therefore that means 40 minutes or so of time spend compiling for 500 compiles, now compare that to the 30 seconds taken to fetch and insert the DBP CD...

"i'm not sure why the EU could win a courtcase against microsoft, as thier copyright protection doesn't prevent backups, the phonenumber to register your product (if its legal ofcourse) is a freephone no matter the country your in to get your activation code."

The lawsuit isn't about that Raven or the copy protection, it is about MS anti-competative practices. If the DeCSS guy was found guilty, then the only alternative would be an MS OS or a Mac, which would give MS ammunition in their court case.

Personally, I don't have a massive problem with MS current implementation, as all they ask for is your country, but I still just don't trust them regardless.

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Rapscallion, I think it's your drive. I had a Pioneer slot loader CD/DVD rom and had the exact same problems - Spin up, clunk, spin down - spin up, clunk, spin down. Can only assume its some form of incompatibility. I dont use that drive anymore. :/

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Thats what I said at the start of this thread...

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Funny, I didnt hear you mentioning you had the same drive and confirming the problem.

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My DVD writer (Phillips) randomly spins at a very high speed for a long interval making a whole loada noise when I try and read my DBP cd with it. None of my other drives do, and the only other CD I've found that does this is Age of Empires II

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Well it doesn't seem to be doing physical damage... I'll let it be for now I guess, not much else I can do.

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oftenly this happens alot with older CDs which have been scratched to buggery

just though i'd add... because it might give u a clue to why it does this (^_^) - doesn't damage the CDs or anything as you've noted is just a pain in the ass, especially when it doesn't allow autorun or detect the CDs

i got mostly philips drives and they're notoriously noisy but they oftenly read CDs which other drives will just say are buggered

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OMG Riverrat no don't reinstall your system as advised. Install patch 4 first and that should cure the problems you describe...

Quote: "sounds like you going to be buying another copy of dbpro soon. You gotta agree dbs has one hell of a sells tactic, huh? Wonder how many copies they can sell to the same person this way."


I can answer that: 0 people; <unknown> moronic lemmings not brainy enough to program.

That's the sort of bitterness I expect from a lemon, not the author of the world conquering wow2.exe . Perhaps a little less synicism and a little more constructiveness - afterall if you're half the programmer you say CTP, then you don't have any issues with the CD protection anyway...

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