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Programming Talk / Delphi - 2005 Personal Edition (Free and Legal)

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dab
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I'm not sure if this means much to people, but I found the 2005 Personal Edition Of Delphi. It's in German, but I also found a patch to translate it mostly into English (a few words are still in German). But this is still pretty cool if you wanted to try 2005.

I found links here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110900

You can download either the French or German Version (It worked for me with German). You can also request a serial key from the website. Which does work for the German Version.

http://www.borland.com/downloads/download_delphi.html

That is the link to register. So I'll create a step by step list for everyone since I know this will sound confusing.

Download the German or French Version
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=110900

Get a Key For the Program
http://www.borland.com/downloads/download_delphi.html

Install 2005 PE
put the key on your computer in one of these Places:
Windows 95/98 (single-user): C:\Windows
Windows 95/98 (multi-user): C:\Windows\Profiles\<username>
Windows NT: C:\WINNT\Profiles\<username>
Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\<username>
Open up 2005 PE, and walla. An English Version of 2005 PE.
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Sergey K
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im not good at versions and stuff. so could you tell me if the 2005 is better than delphi 7?

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hyrichter
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Delphi 2005 was very buggy from what I have read. They had some updates to get it pretty good, but the updates were only for the Pro, Enterprise, and Architect versions. There were no updates for the personal version. The only good thing about Delphi 2005 personal is that you can sell your work you create with it.

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dab
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Sorry. I haven't tried the 7th, but 2005 seems alright. You have quite a bit of choices on what you want to build. Its just that I have no clue what to do with it. lol. Screen of the program first opened is down there.

Some nifty projects you can make are:
C# projects,
asp projects
Windows .net Projects
Dlls
Console Applications


There were more but those are a broader description of them.

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VR2
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Quote: "Some nifty projects you can make are:
C# projects,
asp projects
Windows .net Projects
Dlls
Console Applications
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So, basically ".NET" type projects? So would not the free VS2005 Express tools be a better fit. AND they are all available in English!
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 04:23 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 04:23
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While Delphi can do .net, I see almost no point in doing so. The strength of Delphi is in offering super fast executable Win32 code that just plain works. Just take a native Delphi Win32 app and compare it to an equivalent .net app. The Delphi app will be fast and snappy (and the GUI usually looks great), while the .net one will be very sluggish and a lovely memory hog.

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Quote: "While Delphi can do .net, I see almost no point in doing so."


Ahh I see, so Delphi can do win32 *AND* .NET, like C++ can, but, presumably, is much easier than C++.

I know C# can interop with the win32 API but the syntax/data type conversions is rather messy, and if you wanted to do that alot then C++ would probably be easier to use. Also a C# app will not even get off the ground if .NET framework is not installed.

So I guess that Delphi is now (still) sitting in that place VB6 used to occupy, a way to code win32 without all the guff of C++.

So Delphi is becoming more popular now for folks who want fast, native code but do not want to learn/use C++?
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Quote: "So I guess that Delphi is now (still) sitting in that place VB6 used to occupy, a way to code win32 without all the guff of C++."

Don't you dare compare Delphi to VB6. Delphi is clean, fast, and powerful. VB6 was(still is) a huge mess and is woefully unstable.

Quote: "So Delphi is becoming more popular now for folks who want fast, native code but do not want to learn/use C++?"

That's about right, although I wouldn't say it's because they don't want to learn C++. It's just soooo much more RAD than any other development tool I've ever used. It's got all the power of C++ and runs every bit as fast if not even faster in some areas (depending on the compiler used, of course.) Plus the wicked fast compile speed (3 seconds for 40000 lines anyone?), all the awesome third party controls (many free), make it the best choice if you're trying to write small and fast standalone apps.

Click my sig for an example of a Delphi program.

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Sergey K
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i hate .net.. >_<

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imekon
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Delphi 7 was the last best one. Of course, no longer available.

Delphi 8 was .NET only

Delphi 2005 seemed to be badly broken (guess who bought it?).

Delphi 2006 seems to be the (mostly) bug fixed Dephi 2005. Mostly. Was it worth upgrading... it gave me Delphi and C++ Builder in one package, but the online help has been broken since Delphi 2005.

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After installing all official and inofficial patches D2005 ran quite well for me. Although 2006 was a huge improvement. Yet Delphi 7 does most of what I need.

Quote: "but the online help has been broken since Delphi 2005."

Yes, and that's a shame really! Delphi had a reputation of having excellent help files.


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I was fortunate enough to get my employer to buy Delphi 2006 professional for me. I'd been using Delphi 7 personal before that, and Delphi 2006, especially with the hotfixes, is very, very nice. I tried Delphi 2005 personal, but wasn't really that impressed, and they never made any updates to the personal version.

I've heard rumors that they're building some sort of express or personal version of Delphi 2006, so that'll be really nice for those that don't have an extra $1090.

Quote: "but the online help has been broken since Delphi 2005."

Yes, it is a shame. Searching Google groups nearly always gives me the answer I'm looking for though.

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Sergey K
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so i guess i will stay with D7..

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