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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] The Fps Creator no function on Windows Vista

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Johny English
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 17:51
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I installed on my computer Windows Vista. When I start the FPSC appear the bug: Dark Basic Pro blah, blah, blah...
I know, the Fps Creator is create in Dark Basic Professional.

Now I have Windows XP SP 2.

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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 18:40
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Windows XP SP2 is evil, get rid of it, also dont buy the damn xp sp2 cd, you wont be able to get rid of sp2.
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FredP
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 18:43
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Why are you using Windows Vista?You should be using XP.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 18:58
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Currently of course FPSC or any other TGC product for that matter as far as I know does not support Windows Vista by default.

Its a matter of luck if Vista will in turn support FPSC.

You must use Vista at your own risk as far as it relates to FPSC.

No doubt this sitiuation may change as time goes on.



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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 19:05
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What is Vista any way?
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FredP
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It is the next operating system by Microsoft.It is supposed to replace Windows in a year or two.

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Johny English
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 19:22 Edited at: 20th Aug 2006 19:24
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Thx for answer. The Vista is very hard for graphic card.
Many Programs and game are not for Vista.
That was a beta version.
Vista Beta have many bugs.

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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 20:29
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Microsoft is crap enough as it is, why are they making another OS?
I know I wont be using it, Iam fine with XP.
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They are making another OS because I guess Bill Gates hasn't made enough billions of dollars.

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 21:33 Edited at: 20th Aug 2006 21:37
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its amazing on two points

1:- i quite amazed that you have got hold of vista to install as its not even out yet which leads me to believe your either sleeping with the head of the development team or you have an illegal copy

and two

2:-no mod has picked up on this so that leads me to believe that only certain pirate material violates the aup and stuff like this is ok

or do mods just decide what violates the aup or is offensive to there own morals

go figure!!!

who knows maybe me expressing an opinion in a valid statement violates the aup and needs to be mod edited

no doubt a certain mod will punish this statement in time

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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 22:15
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Microsoft has released Vista in beta.
There are probably several forum members who have it installed and are using it.

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as much as i consider you a great friend and comrade fredp i am afraid i have to disagree with that one

heres a quote from the microsoft site

The Windows Vista Customer Preview Program is now closed for new participants. Once you have installed Windows Vista Beta 2, be sure to visit the Resource Center to download the Windows Vista Product Guide and discover more information that will help you get up and running quickly.


as is my understanding the only version of vista available in beta form are from torrent sites

microsoft has extremely strict rules regarding betas and i cant imagine microsoft giving out download links like candy

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That's correct about the beta. Beta 2 is certainly widely distributed by now. They still have not corrected many video issues in the beta, especially in the 3d arena.

No one should be using it apart from testing at this point, and you should not make any changes to your system or software to work with it, as it will change many times before release.

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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 20th Aug 2006 22:29
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Well it sounds like who ever is using it is a fool.
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FPSC doesn't work with Vista... Cool another good reason not to upgrade. The list is getting long now.

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Not to worry. There are millions of people who will rush out and buy it on the first day of release. Then I will be busy again.

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On the Vista Beta 2 (what I have) I played only chess, majhong and three new games called purple place (pexeso, cooking and dreessing).

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Vista has a new version of directx, version 10. It's not backwards compatible with previous versions of directx, and FPSC is directx 9.

I've heard that previous versions of direct x can be run in an "emulation layer" but who knows, maybe it hasn't been implemented into the beta version of Vista yet.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2006 15:26 Edited at: 21st Aug 2006 15:27
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If you want to continue to use a Windows operating system then users will have no option but to switch to Vista or whatever follows after that.

Make no mistake it will be here sooner than you think and at some stage after that by far the greatest majority of Computers manufactured around the world will be designed specifically to run it. Sooner or later you wont have any choice as systems will no longer run older operating systems.

Vista is a big step forward in desktop computing and FPSC itself will benefit and TGC are more than likely to update all of their software appropriately to take advantage of it.

Like it or not - no one has a great deal of option here - its go with it or lose out and get left behind wallowing in the past - and the mud.



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Why do I get my posts deleted? But some one who has a closed beta is allowed to keep their thread open?

Iam going to start a riot with crow.
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its ok higgins there there

me personally i have no problem with the mods in genenral my votes elected them so be it

i have left this communtiy now and am only dropping in now and again just to see whats happining i wont be contributing anymore

as a certain mod as a very liberal interpretation of the aup

or failing that what i post seems to offend his moral sensibilities

and he is working of his own aup

its funny maybe this post violates his aup and he will come down on me like the wrath of god with an almighty

LOCKED

OR SLAP

OR BAN

OR TELL RICH

this is a great community i love this community but i can no longer remain a active member while this mod exsists

so go ahead ban me slap me or lock or mod edit this post

you got my word i wont be around again

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:\'(...

uhh...i cant make sense out of that post for myself

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crow



as much as i consider you a great friend and comrade fredp i am afraid i have to disagree with that one

heres a quote from the microsoft site

The Windows Vista Customer Preview Program is now closed for new participants. Once you have installed Windows Vista Beta 2, be sure to visit the Resource Center to download the Windows Vista Product Guide and discover more information that will help you get up and running quickly.


as is my understanding the only version of vista available in beta form are from torrent sites

microsoft has extremely strict rules regarding betas and i cant imagine microsoft giving out download links like candy





do you mnow what your even talking about window vista beta was released to the genral public by downloading at there site (witch was imposible) or get it on advd witch no is close until probably a nother beta

so before u blame peple for piracy ,do some research

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Yes, the Vista make finally step.
You see: Windows 95 (1994) Windows 98 (1997) Windows Me (1999)
Windows NT (2000) Windows XP (2001) Windows Vista (2007 !!!)
Big Step.

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Let's see...the guy allegedly downloaded the beta to Vista.
It has been established that Microsoft did release the beta and that it could be acquired legally.I see no problem with leaving the thread open as it doesn't violate the AUP as far as I know.
I deleted two threads because calling people "dumb" isn't nice and it is against the AUP.
If you want to blame me for your problems that's fine.
If you want to not be a part of this community that's fine too.
I won't ban or slap you for that.I'll just ignore you.
The fact is that the software was released and could have been acquired legally.
There has been a variety of beta or EA software released here.
Do you expect me to lock every one of those threads because you want me too?
You can do whatever you wish.I am going to moderate as I see fit.
It seems like the only time people complain about the way I moderate is when they don't get their way.

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Your going to find a lot of programs that are not going to work with Vista.
Some of the Antivirus companies are saying that Microsoft is pushing them out do to the new System is not working with their programs.
New level how programs are installed now and a bumch of others things will make the OS a pain in the butt.

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honestly after reading all of this twice, i disagree with what fred did, but i understand why he did it, the fpsc community, its the same as it was before the mods and it will be after, i think its a "monarchy" one of those archy words *big grin lol* but anyways, what he did was right for the reason, but the reason was wrong, saying "dumb" honestly, calling someone dumb, if you cant take being called dumb by 2 posts and out 26, theres somthing wrong, your emotionally not fit to be in an online community, where no matter what mods do you have the chance of being flamed, saying dumb in my mind is nothing wrong, calling someone dumb is not wrong either, (my opinion) because lets think about it, calling someone dumb, thats well your opinion, your not saying they have to be dumb, your just stating your opinion. so what i mean is, if we cant state our opinion doesnt that limit our right to free speach

Now on the other hand, i know the AUP clearly states it. so fred had the right. but, i dont know how things work in the U.K. but in the U.S. Thats called censorship, which is illegal, unless you say these are "PRIVATE" forums. and i dont know what it says in the Terms Of Usage. but unless it states "Moderaters or admins alike, HAVE the right to censor, and or edit anything anyone says." if it does not state that then i dont know what the big fuss, is both of the people were wrong, moderator and member.

But being a moderator does mean you have to moderate, and i guess with that means you have to stop the possible chance of a flame war. so...


Honestly, Both of you were wrong

Higgins, you abused the AUP.
Fredp, you used censorship

Now correct me if im wrong, does it state that mods can censor things, even if it is as little as calling someone dumb.

The fine line of what rich sees as a mod and what fred,keithc,and uman call a mod are two totally different things,

ive been yelled at for saying hell and pissed. honestly i was wrong. but this was done because it was "foul" language. Now in Rich's sig it states "bite my shiny metal ass"...kind of a double standard, im sorry if it has changed and im crossing the AUP but bear with me the last time i looked was, well when this happened.

So all im saying is, the new mods, are way to strict, but oh well, if thats what it takes to control the fpsc forums then so be it.

plus, higgins, of all people you should not be the one to whine.

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Quote: "Fredp, you used censorship"


i wasent refering to fredp i was refering to another mod he knows who he is



but to my comments how you will

but never mind in the intrest of not starting an intersellar flame war as they tend to be a bit boring reading them all

let sack this post and keep the peace

by the way hope you enjoy vista beta 2 pirate or not pirate version

who cares

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Sorry, sorry, sorry
The Error was 3 (I didnt have sound drivers)
So, on Windows Vista FPS Creator possible does work.
But now I have XP .

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Quote: "unless you say these are "PRIVATE" forums"

These are private forums, as TGC is a private company; so I don't see anything illegal with "censoring" these forums. Whether censoring posts is in the AUP or not, is irrelevant; as TGC can change the AUP at will. Calling someone dumb isn't something that should elicit "hurt" feelings, but it will begin a back-and-forth dialogue that will most likely escalate into something worse...which is most likely why it was squashed. This is the first time I have read this thread, as I don't intend on updating Windows at all; XP is giving me enough headache as it is.

Quote: "4. Censorship and Legal Actions
4.1 While we actively post-moderate our forum messages, due to the nature of the Internet sometimes things can get "out of hand". People may start to attack others in a personal often alarming manner. In these instances we will do our best to cancel/remove the account of the perpetrator. Your own perceptions of "what is offensive" do not apply.

4.2 We will cancel/remove accounts at our discretion only. Do not threaten us with "legal action" against someone harassing you on the forum. The forums are public places of debate, if you do not like someones message then ignore it. We will not support any legal activity or claims unless specifically directed to us by a solicitor / law firm or law enforcement agency. We and we alone decide if a forum post violates our terms and conditions and it is left up to us if we should remove such a post. The majority of the time we will respect your wishes, but we and we alone make the final decision and there is no appeal process."

This is from the AUP, concerning Censorship.


Quote: "3.17 Our forums are moderated by both TGC employees and trusted non-paid members of the public who volunteer their services and time for the benefit of the community. By using our forums you automatically agree that they cannot be held personally responsible for any actions arising from these forums. You agree that moderators shall, at their discretion, determine what constitutes a violation of theses terms, along with generally accepted nettiqute standards, and can take action against those who voilate these rules."

This is the part about what the MODs are here for.

Quote: "3.15 Being a customer of The Game Creators gives no right to being allowed access to our forum."

...And finally, here's your "freedom of speech" clause.

I would've un-locked this thread to give you all a chance to respond, but I don't like to undo another MOD's action. I will say that I am getting tired of hearing about the MODs and their "monarchy" or "dictatorship" though. We have all been pretty lenient up till now (and have only recently become more strict in upholding the AUP). Some people tell us they wish to leave the community due to a certain MOD...please follow through with you statement and leave then. Other users will need assistance in breaking their 'TGC Forum Habit' by being banned. Moderating of the forums will continue.

-Keith


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I've tried FSPC on Vista Beta 2 - and it works fine - like DBPro and GSDK. You do need to install DX9 though.

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Quote: "I would've un-locked this thread to give you all a chance to respond, but I don't like to undo another MOD's action."


Thanks,Keith.I'll unlock it and give people a chance to respond.
I get tired of quoting the AUP.All should have read it by now unless they are new forum members and I don't see new forum members posting in this one.
We all have different opinions and there are good ways and bad ways to express them.I would suggest we attempt to be rational when we post.
Excuses like having a bad day,just woke up,etc. don't usually fly with me.Anyone can edit what they say before they hit the post button.
And it wouldn't hurt to take others' feelings into consideration.

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Problem with the AUP as I see it, Too subjective. Not sure how many mods there are, but you figure if there are at least 6, then there are basically 6 different interpretations of the AUP.

I personally have had a mod lock a legitimate thread in which I asked for clarification on something just to prove he has power to lock a thread, which I considered to be an abuse of power, but hey, it's not the end of the world,,big fish little pond syndrome I think.

I do however agree that some people should really think and read what they are posting before they hit the submit button. And then again, I see some people get away with a lot of stuff others get smakced for...so it's a double standard because of individual interperation of the AUP.
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Quote: "I see some people get away with a lot of stuff others get smakced for...so it's a double standard because of individual interperation of the AUP"


Not neccessarily. If you see someone "getting away" with something that is against the AUP, it most likely is because one of the MODs hasn't seen it yet (there are hundreds of posts a day, in each of the FPSC boards); which is why there is a 'Report' button for people like you to use.

Quote: "Problem with the AUP as I see it, Too subjective."


It needs to be for the simple reason that we can't think of every possible scenerio that comes up; coupled with certain users' desire to "push" things as far as they think they can go, and still get away with it. Then there are the threads that are started for the sole reason of questioning why things are run the way they are around here...usually less to do with FPSC, and more to do with someone's perception of what is right and what is wrong.

Quote: "I personally have had a mod lock a legitimate thread in which I asked for clarification on something just to prove he has power to lock a thread"


Not that I know which particular case that you are referring to; but I have heard people asking for "clarification" on an issue, while insulting the Moderator at the same time...which will not be tolerated.

Like I said before; if you don't like the game here, go find somewhere else to play (speaking generally).

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Man actually this is fun in my opinion, its not argueing its discussion. and to me this is fun

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If FredP had not locked the thread I might have done so - I considered doing so numerous times and fully supported his action.

Personally I would not have unlocked the thread - I wont go into any deep debate about why, nor debate in relation to TGC and the AUP, nor debate how Moderators should act in relation to their responsibilities those things should not be for public debate in my opinion.

That may sound as if I am harsh to some users. Fact is I have never yet either slapped or banned a user but prefer other methods of moderating the forum. I am not as harsh as some might think.

Moderators are just as capable of understanding the issues just as any other user member and in my case at least do communicate with TGC regarding issues with suggestions relating to the AUP and Moderating and how these might be improved for the benefit of the forums as a whole - not the individual. Those suggestions may or may not be inkeeping or with all or any of any individuals or combined users thinking.

Sometimes TGC will pay regard to both what Moderators or Users suggest - sometimes they dont. TGC do and have acted quite recently numerous times in making chnages to the AUP and how the forums are able to be Moderated.

At the end of the day if a suggestion is sensible then they may act if not they wont - irrelevant of what either Moderators or Users think TGC and Rich will decide using their own descretion, knowledge of managing their business and these forums of which they have vastly more experience than anyone else here and without being swayed by anyone elses opinion either Moderator or User and quite rightly so.

TGC make the policies. Users Use and Moderators, Moderate and I will continue to do so to the best of my ability within the parameters as laid down and set out by TGC until such time as TGC decide differently or I resign.

If that dont suit the users well I appologise for that but thats the best you will get from me.

These forums are not yet sufficiently well behaved in some instances for there to be any change in Moderators acting decisively on a regular basis to keep them on track and keep them within the bounds of reasonable behaviour and a pleasant place for all concerned to gather together and talk of real gamemaking issues that matter.

Until such time becomes a reality these forums, nor FPSC will gain the respect from TGC or the wider audience that they deserve.

The important point not being made is that a guy comes along and starts a thread relating to Windows Vista and before you know it his thread is hyjacked by users who go completely off topic wanting to turn his thread into a debate about TGC the AUP and Moderators decision making.

Users at the forum deserve and have the right to be protected from such behaviours and that alone is sufficient reason for a Moderator to take any action as seen fit to ensure that reasonable and legitimate posts stay on topic and provide sensible debate and impart perhaps useful information relating to the subject as intended from which all other users can benefit.

TGC appointed Moderators to clean up these forums and make them a better place for all they have done and will continue to do that for as long as is necessary and despite any protestations from some users TGC have fully supported Moderators actions to date - indeed they have given additional credence to them following continued bad behviours by some users and changed the AUP to further increase their support for the current Mods and their actions by providing them with wide ranging additional powers to ensure that they are able to continue the clean up and maintain these forums in an orderly fashion as they wish them to be.

I think the message is very clear. So I leave you all to debate further in that orderly fashion.



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Man uman thanks...i thought for once i had you out written

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You're still debating this.... don't you guys have better things to do? Like creating games

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yea, this thread is going crazy!!! lol.

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