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The crazy
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nah, goin' to the movies

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Quote: "Oh yeah and much thanks for the sig it roxers my boxers!"

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There is i think 3 people here with sigs made by me.
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yup and they rock deathead. Xeno, i'm online and if anyone else wants to talk about details.

well i just attempted a level design in milkshape and i need some serious practice. But i'll show you where i'm at, i'm working with it though.

if you guys have any suggestions, let me know okay? I want to deliver the best experience possible.

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This looks pretty interesting. I'm curious, but if I modeled a few tgc members in the next couple months could they be rigged, animated and used? I'm pretty good at cartoon models (or so I think), and was already planning to model my own avatar for other purposes. If you don't want them or would like to see one before using any, that's fine, as I plan to make my own as it is.

I recommend getting zzz and/or soul hunter if you can. I'd say Drew C & Dumbo and Cool as well, but you seem on top of that already.

Edit: Get the atual D&C models from drew if you can, as well as sh if you want him.

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Bizar, it would be awesome if you helped me model. But we are going to go by Cian's sketches once he getst them up.

Getting zzz would be awesome, I'll get the actual models from Drew

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I can't wait to see them



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yea, i'd like to see these sketches. I'd like to see what xeno and crazy look like.

hey, how is everyone doing on their projects? I'm having a little with the level design, but how are you guys doing?

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Working on the camera code again. It turned out horrible so I'm re-doing it but with a different approach.

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alright, no problem. Do what you have to do. As long as everyone is having fun.

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what needs doing???

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Actually, sorry Dared but most jobs seemed to be filled.

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Hey guys, havent been on in awhile, sorry

Bizar guy, I believe I will be doing most of the rigging and animating, but xeno, I see no harm in letting Bizar guy help if he wants to. We surely cannot rely on a single person's sketches for our game. Bizar, send me an email ([email protected]) or aim (coreydrake) if you're still interested

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Uhh, crazy. Cian is doing all of the sketches.

Hes good at it too. And I'm sorry, but we are going to use them, even if we will change them, but at least wait for him to show us what hes done.

Going ahead would be like whatever he is doing is useless.

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Well let's see these sketches dude. Hell, what if I wanted to help sketch? Maybe Bizar or zombie would like to actually get to help out. I know I was looking forward to some coding before you decided you'd be the one to do it. This is a team dude, you gotta learn to work together.

Bizar, you're still welcome to join.

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hey hey guys, i already am helping. Data and i are doing levels. I'm perfectly fine with what i'm doing.

No need to fight, i also hope i'm not butting in.

@xeno-why not let bizar do modelling, couldn't we use all the help we can get. There are lots of different people with lots of different skills, it would be wrong of us to not let a person who wants to help at least put in their two cents. I don't mean to be offensive, but we cannot just butt people out of a project without first consulting the team.

We all joined this as a community project, so i say we should let the people who want to join, join. What could be so bad about having more people wanting to help, do you know how many people it takes to build a great game? I'm sure you know it takes a lot. We cannot block those who could assist.

Cian does not have his sketches up and i understand people have lives to attend to, but whats so bad about letting someone else put in creative input. And i'm sure we could find something for dared to do. We can all do this together.

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Nobody's fighting, this is a team project and everyone deserves to help

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Glad that I can help. But remember when I say next few months I mean it, because at the present I'm in the thick of finishing dream, writing a short story, drawing a graphic novel, and working on school work, and there wont be much freed up in my schedule for at least two weeks. So I guess in around two weeks I can start some models for this though.

And if you want to use the model I make of myself, it will be from my design, though I'm happy to go off cian's concept art for others.

Edit: I missed the fifth page, but... So you know, I am a comic artist.
I have no qualms about using Cian's work like I said, unless I am asked to draw concepts for more than my own model, then I will be happy to do so.

Edit2: And if someone does decide they want sketches, I can do those far faster than I can model, and thus much sooner... Like within a day of knowing what exactly is wanted of me, if that. Comes from drawing comics all the time. I have some examples of my work ready as soon as anyone asks as well.

Not to undermine Cian, but because there seems to be mixed feelings about using only his sketches...

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Woah woah, when did I say Bizar couldn't join? I am gladly accepting him! Crazy, you can code too. I just have to see you online man.

Bizar, you can model. Anyone can model. I'm just saying I dont want anyone to do any modelling until Cian is done his sketches. I dont want his work to be not used.

He's had a busy week because of school, and I'm looking forward to the sketches.


Sorry for the mis-underestanding.

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That's fine, I dbout I'll have time to model before his sketchs are up anyways.

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Ok, then we are all cool. Good

Crazy, do you have msn? it would be great if you could get it.. all of us could all go on MSN and talk.

Man this camera code is getting buggy. I would love some help Crazy.

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perhaps it would be best to make a big list of everyone who is helping and a list of all the tasks that need to be done in what order.


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yes agreed

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List of Project Tasks People to Help
Game Design Everyone
Art Sketches Cian Rice
3D Charectars -
3D World Data, Zombie 20
2D Menu System Data
Programming Game Engine The Crazy, Xenocythe
Programming Extra Menus etc. The Crazy, Xenocythe

There's a quick list of what needs doign and who is doing what. I apologize for any mistakes but I just had to assume who was doign what from the conversation here. Please edit the list as you find needed. Also I couldn't really make out who is doing the 3D Model charectars so that needs clarification.


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Fine! I didn't wanna do anything anyway! Humph!

Lol!

Well if I am redundant then that is fine.

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Thank you!

Heres teh list people:
Game Design Everyone
Art Sketches- Cian Rice, Bizar
3D Charectars- Xeno, Bizar Guy, The Crazy
3D World Data- Zombie 20
2D Menu System Data-TEH CODERER
Programming Game Engine- The Crazy, Xenocythe, TEH CODERER
Programming Extra Menus etc.- The Crazy, Xenocythe, TEH CODERER

If I'm missing something, please tell me.


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Me! U are missing me I am little bit busy but i can program and do some 3d art always when i can.. just contact me on my msn or somewhere else.. Please dont use my email cuz i dont use it anyways.. My Email = My msn address so u can contact me with msn..



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Alright cool, keepin' it organised

Now, we should start working on a list of characters. Cian, we'll need your input here but what I was thinking:

We should try to have mainly characters of games that have already been created. ie. dumbo/cool, soul hunter, blockman, ect. I know it would be fun to put ourselves as playable characters in the game but essentially super smash (and any clone of it) should feature characters from actual games. That being said we could (and definitely should) throw things in by way of items, trophies, weapons, special attacks ect. that have to do with the creators, mods, avatars, ect.

So lets get a list together of iconic dbp games that we should try to get permission to use. I reckon we should start at say... eight-ten playable characters with unlockables as well. Let's hear some suggestions

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I personally am in favour of using people from the forum as the charectars.


oh and heres the updated list people with The Full Metal Coder Roxas:
Game Design Everyone
Art Sketches- Cian Rice, Bizar
3D Charectars- Xeno, Bizar Guy, The Crazy, The Full Metal Coder Roxas
3D World Data- Zombie 20
2D Menu System Data-TEH CODERER
Programming Game Engine- The Crazy, Xenocythe, TEH CODERER, The Full Metal Coder Roxas
Programming Extra Menus etc.- The Crazy, Xenocythe, TEH CODERER


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But what makes a super smash game actually what it is? It's really a point of having a sort of melting pot of games that people have played you know?

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What makes super smash is the mix of famous characters from various games, and the familiar moves. Its also the heroic music, the nice effects and sounds, and the levels that you play on.


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alright fine I suppose I do agree although what characters would we use in that case?


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THe mod quad are most common on the forumns. Also, we can use the chacretrs that Cian sketches. Data, if you have not read yet, we are using characters from the forumns. Thats why its called 'TGC Heores'.


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hey, could we build levels based on the mod squad?

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That would be cool.


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yea...i think i'm gonna sketch up something tonight.

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So are we completely ditching the idea of using characters from games? I mean, avatars change, people leave, ect. Game characters don't. And Cian can we pleeeaase start seieng some sketches??

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no... i wannna

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Ok, lets have a vote.

Characters from games - 0
Characters from the forumns - 1
Characters from both the forunms and games - 3

I voted that one for 'both'. Place your vote people


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i don't know which to pick so i guess i vote both

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Both but primarily games. (parhaps forum members as unlockables)

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I vote from forums


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:/ Has anyone actually...started programming yet?

The idea sounds cool, just...seems like a lot of talk and no work.


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I've started programming, as did TEH CODERER

Cian is doing sketches

Zombie is learning to design levels.


Ruccus, if you wanna join us and help, it would be pretty cool


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I vote both, though only using the forum member when it actualy works, and finding only memorable game characters from db games.

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@ruccus- a lot of people have wanted to join so progress has been slower than i would have liked, but i think we'll clean up well once we start rolling down the track.

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@RUCCUS - Yep. Does seem like we're getting nowhere fast. The initial lack of organisation is largely responsible. Hopefully we're past that now though.

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Yes, lets please get organized.

How about we assign tasks?

Cian has the task of the concepts.. but I haven't seen him anywhere,


Andrew, It would be awesome if I could talk to you online at the moment.


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and i was forgotten

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dared- what can you do mate, i'd be happy to have you on. more help the better, but i'd say we better cap it soon, we need to get this moving.

So..what do you want to do?

i could always use another level designer, don't know what you like to do just throwing that offer out there.

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Okay, I think it's really time for me to step in as team leader. Xeno, you've been going a bit crazy and getting ahead of yourself, ect. no offense though. Cian has not been heard from for a long time and we cannot rely solely on him. Zombie, I know you and I are on the same page talking on aim and stuff so keep up the good work.

So, enough talk as Ruccus said, I'm going to do some sketches of possible characters and be sending emails to some people asking for permission should we choose to use their character in our game.

Xeno, keep up the good work on the programming and keep me updated okay? If you need any test models I'll hook you up. I'm going to also create a game design document that will change over time but at least we will have something. Kk, I'll get to work now...

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